sundevil777 102 #1 October 6, 2006 The Clinton administration had a formal policy to pursue regime change in Iraq. Was there anything going on to actually pursue this goal, or was it just an empty policy with no substance? Do you think this policy was wise? Do you think it is useful to have such a policy without action. I think the policy represented a philosophy of 'talk loudly and carry no stick'.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #2 October 6, 2006 I would have to read the policy. If you know where it can be easily located, would you please share. A friendly link is alway helpful. linz The ambien's kicked in, and I'm seeing double now. But surely the message is gettingthrough...lol-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #3 October 6, 2006 QuoteI would have to read the policy. If you know where it can be easily located, would you please share. A friendly link is alway helpful. Regime change in Iraq became a stated goal of United States foreign policy when Public Law 105-338 (the "Iraq Liberation Act") was signed into law by US President Bill Clinton. The act directed that: "It should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove the regime headed by Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq and to promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime."People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #4 October 6, 2006 QuoteThe Clinton administration had a formal policy to pursue regime change in Iraq. That is interesting. Why is it this was not shouted everytime someone made the claim about the "plans" made by the rebuplicans? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #5 October 6, 2006 Quote it should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove Sounds like they were looking for effective internal dissent that we would then support. Only problem, there was no effective internal dissent.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #6 October 6, 2006 QuoteThe Clinton administration had a formal policy to pursue regime change in Iraq. Was there anything going on to actually pursue this goal, or was it just an empty policy with no substance? Do you think this policy was wise? Do you think it is useful to have such a policy without action. I think the policy represented a philosophy of 'talk loudly and carry no stick'. I have to say that I do prefer that over the current situation which is: Service men and women as well as Iraqis dying without any formal policy or strategy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #7 October 6, 2006 QuoteThe Clinton administration had a formal policy to pursue regime change in Iraq. Was there anything going on to actually pursue this goal, or was it just an empty policy with no substance? Do you think this policy was wise? Do you think it is useful to have such a policy without action. I think the policy represented a philosophy of 'talk loudly and carry no stick'. Or the wisdom to realize that "if you break it, you've bought it". Bush Sr. had it. Clinton had it. Powell had it. Bush Jr. just decided that he had God at his back so everything will certainly turn out right. I've got a little over a hundred jumps. I have a stated desire of swooping over 600'. So what should I do this weekend, jump out of the plane with an 80 sq ft canopy and 50 lbs worth of weights or should I work through a more reasonable progression and enlist the support of people who know what they're doing? Bush is still waiting for God to tell him when to let go of the front risers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #8 October 6, 2006 QuoteQuoteThe Clinton administration had a formal policy to pursue regime change in Iraq. Was there anything going on to actually pursue this goal, or was it just an empty policy with no substance? Do you think this policy was wise? Do you think it is useful to have such a policy without action. I think the policy represented a philosophy of 'talk loudly and carry no stick'. Or the wisdom to realize that "if you break it, you've bought it". Bush Sr. had it. Clinton had it. Powell had it. Bush Jr. just decided that he had God at his back so everything will certainly turn out right. I've got a little over a hundred jumps. I have a stated desire of swooping over 600'. So what should I do this weekend, jump out of the plane with an 80 sq ft canopy and 50 lbs worth of weights or should I work through a more reasonable progression and enlist the support of people who know what they're doing? Bush is still waiting for God to tell him when to let go of the front risers. Lefties are so good at telling us and other people what those people are thinking"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #9 October 6, 2006 QuoteLefties are so good at telling us and other people what those people are thinking I ams till trying to figure out what Rumsfeld, Cheney and Bush are thinking. What is the current strategy for Iraq? Is it stated anywhere? What would be considered a victory? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #10 October 6, 2006 idrankwhat knows what Bush is thinking. You could ask him"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #11 October 6, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteThe Clinton administration had a formal policy to pursue regime change in Iraq. Was there anything going on to actually pursue this goal, or was it just an empty policy with no substance? Do you think this policy was wise? Do you think it is useful to have such a policy without action. I think the policy represented a philosophy of 'talk loudly and carry no stick'. Or the wisdom to realize that "if you break it, you've bought it". Bush Sr. had it. Clinton had it. Powell had it. Bush Jr. just decided that he had God at his back so everything will certainly turn out right. I've got a little over a hundred jumps. I have a stated desire of swooping over 600'. So what should I do this weekend, jump out of the plane with an 80 sq ft canopy and 50 lbs worth of weights or should I work through a more reasonable progression and enlist the support of people who know what they're doing? Bush is still waiting for God to tell him when to let go of the front risers. Lefties are so good at telling us and other people what those people are thinking It's easy. All you have to do is pay attention to what they say, then you repeat it. I know, I know. That form of discussion is soooooooo much more labor intensive than just spouting opinion but hey, I think you folks are worth the effort Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #12 October 6, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteThe Clinton administration had a formal policy to pursue regime change in Iraq. Was there anything going on to actually pursue this goal, or was it just an empty policy with no substance? Do you think this policy was wise? Do you think it is useful to have such a policy without action. I think the policy represented a philosophy of 'talk loudly and carry no stick'. Or the wisdom to realize that "if you break it, you've bought it". Bush Sr. had it. Clinton had it. Powell had it. Bush Jr. just decided that he had God at his back so everything will certainly turn out right. I've got a little over a hundred jumps. I have a stated desire of swooping over 600'. So what should I do this weekend, jump out of the plane with an 80 sq ft canopy and 50 lbs worth of weights or should I work through a more reasonable progression and enlist the support of people who know what they're doing? Bush is still waiting for God to tell him when to let go of the front risers. Lefties are so good at telling us and other people what those people are thinking It's easy. All you have to do is pay attention to what they say, then you repeat it. I know, I know. That form of discussion is soooooooo much more labor intensive than just spouting opinion but hey, I think you folks are worth the effort "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #13 October 6, 2006 Quoteidrankwhat knows what Bush is thinking. You could ask him You have shown yourself to be a blind follower of your God inspired leader. I figured if anybody would know (and funny enough, nobody seems to know what the strategy is) you would know as such a staunch supporter. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #14 October 6, 2006 Lol, your hatred for anything GWB is quite obvious. It should not be of any of your concern anyway, you have no political right in the US. Seems that you would like to be part of the election process anyways."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #15 October 6, 2006 Quote I ams till trying to figure out what Rumsfeld, Cheney and Bush are thinking. What is the current strategy for Iraq? Is it stated anywhere? What would be considered a victory? God wills it! (and if we can make assloads of cash in the process then all the better). http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2005/10/07/MNGNVF3SFM1.DTL As for an actual strategy in Iraq, I don't know, but Congress has already put aside $20 million for a "Victory in Iraq" celebration Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #16 October 6, 2006 No, I am trying to figure out what the official strategy in Iraq is. Thousands of your service men and women have died. Don't you want to know what for? What is the offical strategy in Iraq and what would be considered a victory? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #17 October 6, 2006 QuoteNo, I am trying to figure out what the official strategy in Iraq is. Thousands of your service men and women have died. Don't you want to know what for? What is the offical strategy in Iraq and what would be considered a victory? It appears to be "Let American boys die so I can be a War President". 2737 dead American troops so far, 23 in the last 5 days.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #18 October 6, 2006 It appears to be a lot of things, but nobody seems to know what it really is. With the amount dead and the amount of money spent, it is pretty scary that nobody knows. What is even scarier is that nobody seems to care either.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #19 October 6, 2006 Quote It appears to be a lot of things, My take is originally the plan was to break Saddam's back then let rational people start governing themselves. I think the entire process is currently lacking in enough rational people.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #20 October 6, 2006 QuoteLol, your hatred for anything GWB is quite obvious. It should not be of any of your concern anyway, you have no political right in the US. Seems that you would like to be part of the election process anyways. Ahh....the old "who cares what you think you damn foreigner" approach to diplomacy. Bucking for a job at the UN or the State dept? Seriously though, he's entitled to express his opinion if for no other reason than that W's crusades have a direct impact on his countrymen, his government, and his fiscal and national security. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #21 October 6, 2006 QuoteMy take is originally the plan was to break Saddam's back then let rational people start governing themselves. I think the entire process is currently lacking in enough rational people. Well originally it was to make the US safe and find those WMD, cause his right to use force was only in defence of the US. Now though, many years later, what is the stated strategy now? Funny how billions of dollars and thousands of lives later, nobody knows what the official strategy is. Nobody even cares, they just seem to "happily" follow along. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #22 October 6, 2006 Quote Now though, many years later, what is the stated strategy now? Funny how billions of dollars and thousands of lives later, nobody knows what the official strategy is. I think the entire process is currently lacking in enough rational people. Quote Nobody even cares, they just seem to "happily" follow along. How would you express your caring?We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #23 October 6, 2006 QuoteHow would you express your caring? If I were an American, send letters to government representatives. Letters to newspapers. Phone calls to representatives etc. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #24 October 6, 2006 QuoteQuoteidrankwhat knows what Bush is thinking. You could ask him You have shown yourself to be a blind follower of your God inspired leader. I figured if anybody would know (and funny enough, nobody seems to know what the strategy is) you would know as such a staunch supporter. Blind follower Yep, nobody but a lefty has brains enough to have a contrary opinion"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #25 October 6, 2006 Then aswner the question rush. Or admit you don't know (or maybe care). What is the official straegy for Iraq? What would be considered a victory? Your countrymen and women are dying in droves, don't you think they have a right to know what they are dying for? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites