SpeedRacer 1 #1 October 5, 2006 If you didn't have to worry about throwing your vote away on a smaller party, which party would you really favor if you could vote truly according to your conscience? Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #2 October 5, 2006 The Federal Conservatives led by Peter MacKay Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #3 October 5, 2006 Libertarian.. trouble is I hear a LOT of people claiming they are but spout the REPUBLICAN Party line to a tee. Last time I read the Libertarian platform.. there was little there that was similar to the REPUBLICAN party platform. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #4 October 5, 2006 QuoteLibertarian.. trouble is I hear a LOT of people claiming they are but spout the REPUBLICAN Party line to a tee. Last time I read the Libertarian platform.. there was little there that was similar to the REPUBLICAN party platform. wow, then the other choice must be REALLY bad for them to have to settle on the reps (until the libertarians take hold)... This is really very true for a LOT of people. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SpeedRacer 1 #5 October 5, 2006 well, there are different types of libertarians, but I'd say that there are some platform similarities between libertarians & some Republicans, ie, lower taxes, no minimum wage, fewer expensive bloated government-funded social programs, etc. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #6 October 5, 2006 QuoteLibertarian.. trouble is I hear a LOT of people claiming they are but spout the REPUBLICAN Party line to a tee. Last time I read the Libertarian platform.. there was little there that was similar to the REPUBLICAN party platform. Libertarians are disgruntled Republicans. They have the same platform in application, different in code. Most Libertarians I've spoken with have no problem with religious moniker issues, even tho their code says no gov intervention. Many are pro-life. The Libertarian platform, as written, is great minus their take on social welfare. They don;t even have an answer, it's just zip, nadda, no funds, let the church handle it. Even the Repubs aren;t that inane. So the writings aren't represented by the feelings of the membership. I think even most Republicans think the take of, turn a blind eye on the nations sick and elderly is a joke. The Libertarian agenda is construed as a joke, but with a little tweaking could be great. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SpeedRacer 1 #7 October 5, 2006 again, there are different types of libertarians. I don't think I've ever voted Republican. "religious moniker issues?" as for your other stuff about characterizing all libertarians as "disgruntled republicans" i suggest you read anything by Mary Ruwart. Look, Democrats & Republicans & conservatives & liberals are mostly decent people with good values (don't tell anyone in Speakers Corner that, though ). Libertarians aren't saying that those values shouldn't be sought after, they're just challenging the idea that government aggression & coercion is automatically the best answer for those values. for example your statement: QuoteMany are pro-life. Well, I'm pro-life. I just don't think government coercion is the appropriate tool for achieving it. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites unformed 0 #8 October 5, 2006 Personally, I believe that this country should be a dictatorship run by me. I have the cure for all the country's problems.This ad space for sale. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lawrocket 3 #9 October 5, 2006 I can and do vote Libertarian most of the time. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Schoenauer 0 #10 October 6, 2006 I am fiscally conservative and socially moderate. What does that make me?Memento Mori Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rainbo 0 #11 October 6, 2006 QuoteQuoteLibertarian.. trouble is I hear a LOT of people claiming they are but spout the REPUBLICAN Party line to a tee. Last time I read the Libertarian platform.. there was little there that was similar to the REPUBLICAN party platform. Libertarians are disgruntled Republicans. They have the same platform in application, different in code. Most Libertarians I've spoken with have no problem with religious moniker issues, even tho their code says no gov intervention. Many are pro-life. The Libertarian platform, as written, is great minus their take on social welfare. They don;t even have an answer, it's just zip, nadda, no funds, let the church handle it. Even the Repubs aren;t that inane. So the writings aren't represented by the feelings of the membership. I think even most Republicans think the take of, turn a blind eye on the nations sick and elderly is a joke. The Libertarian agenda is construed as a joke, but with a little tweaking could be great. What the hell kind of Libertarians were you talking to. And you obviously don't have a clue about Libertarian philosophy.Rainbo TheSpeedTriple - Speed is everything "Blessed are those who can give without remembering, and take without forgetting." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ryoder 1,590 #12 October 6, 2006 QuotePersonally, I believe that this country should be a dictatorship run by me. I have the cure for all the country's problems. Unfortunately, the current administration feels the same way. "There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ryoder 1,590 #13 October 6, 2006 QuoteQuoteLibertarian.. trouble is I hear a LOT of people claiming they are but spout the REPUBLICAN Party line to a tee. Last time I read the Libertarian platform.. there was little there that was similar to the REPUBLICAN party platform. Libertarians are disgruntled Republicans. They have the same platform in application, different in code. Yes, Libertarians are just like Republicans; They oppose anti-drug laws; They oppose anti-obscenity laws; They believe whatever happens between two consenting adults is no one elses business...Oh wait!"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Nightingale 0 #14 October 6, 2006 The whole point of being Libertarian is being able to disagree. Of course the platform doesn't represent the "feelings of the members" as you put it. That's not what being a libertarian is about. The point is that you have your feelings and I have mine, and as long as they're not hurting either of us, then the government should butt out. The only thing Libertarians actually agree on is that the government should butt out of things not involved in the safety of the population. Everything beyond that is a matter of individual choice. I'm agnostic and pro-choice, and there are many people like me in the LP. There are also many religious pro-lifers. However, they and I agree on the most important part of being libertarian: that we make our own decisions, and it is not the place of the government to choose for us. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SpeedRacer 1 #15 October 6, 2006 Maybe it's just this website, but there seem to be a higher proportion of libertarians among skydivers than in the general population. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,465 #16 October 6, 2006 QuoteMaybe it's just this website, but there seem to be a higher proportion of libertarians among skydivers than in the general population. Don't think so, I believe many people on this site say they are libertarian after they tell some one they are a stupid Democrat or Republican. Then when they are responded to with the opposite, they will say....no I am not, I am a libertarian.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #17 October 6, 2006 QuoteWell, I'm pro-life. I just don't think government coercion is the appropriate tool for achieving it. that's a good statement and example that Libertarian can appeal to people with different social positions that want to own their own choices without big brother - unfortunately, it's means you are ostracized from both of the major parties - which both stand for big brother on social issues (both parties are fiscally NOT-conservative, and both are highly social activist - you can't tell the difference on anything 'basic') Libertarianism scares your hard core partisan types. watch the continuing comments on this thread ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites juanesky 0 #18 October 6, 2006 It does. But what if you are pro war, does that impedes you to be a libertarian?"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SpeedRacer 1 #19 October 6, 2006 Libertarians generally believe in a less aggressive, smaller government, and favor a more isolationist policy in foreign affairs. (in other words, they're not Neo-Cons). Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. 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Amazon 7 #3 October 5, 2006 Libertarian.. trouble is I hear a LOT of people claiming they are but spout the REPUBLICAN Party line to a tee. Last time I read the Libertarian platform.. there was little there that was similar to the REPUBLICAN party platform. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #4 October 5, 2006 QuoteLibertarian.. trouble is I hear a LOT of people claiming they are but spout the REPUBLICAN Party line to a tee. Last time I read the Libertarian platform.. there was little there that was similar to the REPUBLICAN party platform. wow, then the other choice must be REALLY bad for them to have to settle on the reps (until the libertarians take hold)... This is really very true for a LOT of people. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #5 October 5, 2006 well, there are different types of libertarians, but I'd say that there are some platform similarities between libertarians & some Republicans, ie, lower taxes, no minimum wage, fewer expensive bloated government-funded social programs, etc. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #6 October 5, 2006 QuoteLibertarian.. trouble is I hear a LOT of people claiming they are but spout the REPUBLICAN Party line to a tee. Last time I read the Libertarian platform.. there was little there that was similar to the REPUBLICAN party platform. Libertarians are disgruntled Republicans. They have the same platform in application, different in code. Most Libertarians I've spoken with have no problem with religious moniker issues, even tho their code says no gov intervention. Many are pro-life. The Libertarian platform, as written, is great minus their take on social welfare. They don;t even have an answer, it's just zip, nadda, no funds, let the church handle it. Even the Repubs aren;t that inane. So the writings aren't represented by the feelings of the membership. I think even most Republicans think the take of, turn a blind eye on the nations sick and elderly is a joke. The Libertarian agenda is construed as a joke, but with a little tweaking could be great. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #7 October 5, 2006 again, there are different types of libertarians. I don't think I've ever voted Republican. "religious moniker issues?" as for your other stuff about characterizing all libertarians as "disgruntled republicans" i suggest you read anything by Mary Ruwart. Look, Democrats & Republicans & conservatives & liberals are mostly decent people with good values (don't tell anyone in Speakers Corner that, though ). Libertarians aren't saying that those values shouldn't be sought after, they're just challenging the idea that government aggression & coercion is automatically the best answer for those values. for example your statement: QuoteMany are pro-life. Well, I'm pro-life. I just don't think government coercion is the appropriate tool for achieving it. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
unformed 0 #8 October 5, 2006 Personally, I believe that this country should be a dictatorship run by me. I have the cure for all the country's problems.This ad space for sale. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #9 October 5, 2006 I can and do vote Libertarian most of the time. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Schoenauer 0 #10 October 6, 2006 I am fiscally conservative and socially moderate. What does that make me?Memento Mori Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rainbo 0 #11 October 6, 2006 QuoteQuoteLibertarian.. trouble is I hear a LOT of people claiming they are but spout the REPUBLICAN Party line to a tee. Last time I read the Libertarian platform.. there was little there that was similar to the REPUBLICAN party platform. Libertarians are disgruntled Republicans. They have the same platform in application, different in code. Most Libertarians I've spoken with have no problem with religious moniker issues, even tho their code says no gov intervention. Many are pro-life. The Libertarian platform, as written, is great minus their take on social welfare. They don;t even have an answer, it's just zip, nadda, no funds, let the church handle it. Even the Repubs aren;t that inane. So the writings aren't represented by the feelings of the membership. I think even most Republicans think the take of, turn a blind eye on the nations sick and elderly is a joke. The Libertarian agenda is construed as a joke, but with a little tweaking could be great. What the hell kind of Libertarians were you talking to. And you obviously don't have a clue about Libertarian philosophy.Rainbo TheSpeedTriple - Speed is everything "Blessed are those who can give without remembering, and take without forgetting." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #12 October 6, 2006 QuotePersonally, I believe that this country should be a dictatorship run by me. I have the cure for all the country's problems. Unfortunately, the current administration feels the same way. "There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #13 October 6, 2006 QuoteQuoteLibertarian.. trouble is I hear a LOT of people claiming they are but spout the REPUBLICAN Party line to a tee. Last time I read the Libertarian platform.. there was little there that was similar to the REPUBLICAN party platform. Libertarians are disgruntled Republicans. They have the same platform in application, different in code. Yes, Libertarians are just like Republicans; They oppose anti-drug laws; They oppose anti-obscenity laws; They believe whatever happens between two consenting adults is no one elses business...Oh wait!"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #14 October 6, 2006 The whole point of being Libertarian is being able to disagree. Of course the platform doesn't represent the "feelings of the members" as you put it. That's not what being a libertarian is about. The point is that you have your feelings and I have mine, and as long as they're not hurting either of us, then the government should butt out. The only thing Libertarians actually agree on is that the government should butt out of things not involved in the safety of the population. Everything beyond that is a matter of individual choice. I'm agnostic and pro-choice, and there are many people like me in the LP. There are also many religious pro-lifers. However, they and I agree on the most important part of being libertarian: that we make our own decisions, and it is not the place of the government to choose for us. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #15 October 6, 2006 Maybe it's just this website, but there seem to be a higher proportion of libertarians among skydivers than in the general population. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #16 October 6, 2006 QuoteMaybe it's just this website, but there seem to be a higher proportion of libertarians among skydivers than in the general population. Don't think so, I believe many people on this site say they are libertarian after they tell some one they are a stupid Democrat or Republican. Then when they are responded to with the opposite, they will say....no I am not, I am a libertarian.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #17 October 6, 2006 QuoteWell, I'm pro-life. I just don't think government coercion is the appropriate tool for achieving it. that's a good statement and example that Libertarian can appeal to people with different social positions that want to own their own choices without big brother - unfortunately, it's means you are ostracized from both of the major parties - which both stand for big brother on social issues (both parties are fiscally NOT-conservative, and both are highly social activist - you can't tell the difference on anything 'basic') Libertarianism scares your hard core partisan types. watch the continuing comments on this thread ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #18 October 6, 2006 It does. But what if you are pro war, does that impedes you to be a libertarian?"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #19 October 6, 2006 Libertarians generally believe in a less aggressive, smaller government, and favor a more isolationist policy in foreign affairs. (in other words, they're not Neo-Cons). Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
