ntacfreefly 0 #126 October 5, 2006 Quoteuh ... yeah, that picture was photshopped by dems trying to destroy the fair and balanced rep of fox news. I've seen the newsreel. You can probably find it on the internet somewhere, although I'm sure people will scream doctored anyway.To the mind that is still, the whole universe surrenders. ~ Lao-Tzu It's all good, they're my brothers ~ Mariann Kramer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #127 October 5, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteYou have my pity. Gawain is REALLY Mr. T Do you know what Gawain has gone through in the last couple? I'd give the prof the benefit of the doubt (he accidently/inadvertantly hit a nerve with an unintentional flip comment) if he'd have edited his comment AND apologized. I'm not sure now. I don't know what he's been thru. It was just a superficial joke, not meant to anger. Mr. T / pitty the fool, just a joke.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #128 October 5, 2006 QuoteQuoteWoaw!!! How are we status quo? We are getting ready to swing left again. The constant swinging left and right IS the status quo. People like you get sick of the people in power and vote to get rid of them. Then the country swings the other way. Then people get sick of those people and vote to get rid of THEM as well. QuoteThese time are unprecedented. I hear that every few years. QuoteOBJECTIVELY, when a country has been run primarily by 1 side for the better part of 26 years, there is no moderation and I can find example after another to support that; can you demonstrate how we are status quo? See above. QuotePoint out the leftward swings of the penduluum. Sure care to wait till Nov, then wait another two years? TO point out the shift left, all I have to do is point to your post about how you are going to vote. QuoteWe are getting ready to swing left again. The constant swinging left and right IS the status quo. Uh, but we've been stuck on right for almost 27 years with a brief break where the economy was temp fixed so the right could slam it again. List all the lefty things that occurred under Clinton: -gays in the military if they shut up about it -more taxes for the rich -failed at socialized med I'm kinda at a loss here, what else swung the pendulum left???? QuotePeople like you get sick of the people in power and vote to get rid of them. Then the country swings the other way. Then people get sick of those people and vote to get rid of THEM as well. Uhm no. I never voted for Rreagan, hated him all the way. Didn't vote for Bush1 either time, but would have the 2nd time but for Perot. Hated teh thought of Clinton, but learned to love his politics huge. Hated Bush 2 all the way. So you see, there really is no, "People like you" applicable here. I was sick of all the Repubs from teh time I could vote, so it wasn;t a matter of learning to sick of them, I voted against them all, except Dole who I stupidly voted for. QuoteI hear that every few years. OK, so is it true? These times ARE unprecedented, disagree? Clinton's times were somewhat unprecedented. I look at the fiscal health of the nation a lot like I look at the transition from Hoover to FDR. QuoteSure care to wait till Nov, then wait another two years? TO point out the shift left, all I have to do is point to your post about how you are going to vote. It's not about me, I'm asking how the country has shifted left. You acted as if we are shifting left or we have been shifting left. I just put on some popcorn, can;t wait to read how we've gone left... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #129 October 5, 2006 QuoteUh, but we've been stuck on right for almost 27 years with a brief break I cut the rest of your rant off since it has nothing to do with the point. The fact is if you did look at history you will see swinging left and right. And if you payed attention to what I have been saying, we are about to swing left again. QuoteOK, so is it true? These times ARE unprecedented, disagree? Clinton's times were somewhat unprecedented. I look at the fiscal health of the nation a lot like I look at the transition from Hoover to FDR. Of course I disagree. Clinton had Monica Gate, Bush 1 had Gulf war one, Reagan had the Arms deal, Carter had the hostige crisis....I could go on back to the civil war without a problem. We are ALWAYS in what people call "unprecidented times". QuoteIt's not about me, I'm asking how the country has shifted left. You acted as if we are shifting left or we have been shifting left. I just put on some popcorn, can;t wait to read how we've gone left.. That is because you don't bother to read what I write, but instead read what you want. I said we are shifting left since people like you are gonna knee jerk vote to make it happen. The government has not started shifting left, but people like you have already made the choice to make it shift left. Since you are gonna vote next mth, and again for the next President, there is a good chance that you, and people like you will move the government back left. Really, before you comment, read this last paragraph twice. And that is shifting left. Unless you really don't plan on voting next mth. I can easily see the Demorcrats winning seats because of people who think and vote just like you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #130 October 5, 2006 QuoteQuoteUh, but we've been stuck on right for almost 27 years with a brief break I cut the rest of your rant off since it has nothing to do with the point. The fact is if you did look at history you will see swinging left and right. And if you payed attention to what I have been saying, we are about to swing left again. Your perception isn't far off the mark. Very often, the legislative branch finds itself in a political opposition to the executive branch. It happened under Presidents Reagan, Bush, and Clinton. It's unusual how things turned out in 2002, and 2004. I see the Democrats either picking up a narrow majority in the House, or seeing the gap fall to nearly an even split. How that plays out into 2008 is another story.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,111 #131 October 5, 2006 >Very often, the legislative branch finds itself in a political opposition to the executive branch. And when that happens, not much gets done in government unless it _really_ needs doing (i.e. we get attacked or a hurricane hits or something.) Which, in my mind, is a very good thing. The best government governing least and all that. I keep hoping for a democratic house, republican senate and libertarian president, but I doubt that will ever happen. Imagine the gridlock! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #132 October 5, 2006 Quote>Very often, the legislative branch finds itself in a political opposition to the executive branch. And when that happens, not much gets done in government unless it _really_ needs doing (i.e. we get attacked or a hurricane hits or something.) Which, in my mind, is a very good thing. The best government governing least and all that. I agree. Some of the best examples of that, in my mind were with President Reagan in his first term and President Clinton before the stupid Monica-gate. QuoteI keep hoping for a democratic house, republican senate and libertarian president, but I doubt that will ever happen. Imagine the gridlock! Sh*t, with a libertarian President, it wouldn't matter much the disposition of Congress, s/he'd veto every bill.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,111 #133 October 5, 2006 >it wouldn't matter much the disposition of Congress, s/he'd veto every bill. Right, and on the rare important bills they'd override the veto. Congress would actually have to agree on things before they got passed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #134 October 5, 2006 QuoteQuoteUh, but we've been stuck on right for almost 27 years with a brief break I cut the rest of your rant off since it has nothing to do with the point. The fact is if you did look at history you will see swinging left and right. And if you payed attention to what I have been saying, we are about to swing left again. QuoteOK, so is it true? These times ARE unprecedented, disagree? Clinton's times were somewhat unprecedented. I look at the fiscal health of the nation a lot like I look at the transition from Hoover to FDR. Of course I disagree. Clinton had Monica Gate, Bush 1 had Gulf war one, Reagan had the Arms deal, Carter had the hostige crisis....I could go on back to the civil war without a problem. We are ALWAYS in what people call "unprecidented times". QuoteIt's not about me, I'm asking how the country has shifted left. You acted as if we are shifting left or we have been shifting left. I just put on some popcorn, can;t wait to read how we've gone left.. That is because you don't bother to read what I write, but instead read what you want. I said we are shifting left since people like you are gonna knee jerk vote to make it happen. The government has not started shifting left, but people like you have already made the choice to make it shift left. Since you are gonna vote next mth, and again for the next President, there is a good chance that you, and people like you will move the government back left. Really, before you comment, read this last paragraph twice. And that is shifting left. Unless you really don't plan on voting next mth. I can easily see the Demorcrats winning seats because of people who think and vote just like you. QuoteI cut the rest of your rant off since it has nothing to do with the point. Ah, you donlt have to get like that, if you don't have a reply, just continue to acquiesce. QuoteThe fact is if you did look at history you will see swinging left and right. And if you payed attention to what I have been saying, we are about to swing left again. If I looked at histiry? If I 'payed' attention to what you were saying.' THose who can;t make a point resort to minor PA's. WHat you wrote was that we are status quo, menaing as usual, somewhat political central. I asked you to establish how we have been left at all in the last 27 years. Cite examples. QuoteOf course I disagree. Clinton had Monica Gate, Bush 1 had Gulf war one, Reagan had the Arms deal, Carter had the hostige crisis....I could go on back to the civil war without a problem. We are ALWAYS in what people call "unprecidented times". Always? To use absolutes is inane. There are degrees of resemblance. JFK was screwing Monroe, so the Monica deal wasn't that unprecedented. Back then they looked the other way, but the actions were the same. Gulf War 1 and the Iraq War are basically the same, other than the latter going further, very precedented. Carter and teh hostage crisis, Clinton and the China P-3 crisis... these things often repeat themselves under a different venue, in the case of Iraq, different decade same venue. That is because you don't bother to read what I write, but instead read what you want. I said we are shifting left since people like you are gonna knee jerk vote to make it happen.Quote I do read, just don;t agree with you in lock stepped fashion. People likme me? You mean voters. What you wrote was that people vote a guy in until they get sick of thema nd then change to teh otehr guy. I stated that that was not me. I didn;t vote for these guys and then change to get em out. I have never voted for a winning president, so your point is void as far as I go. As fro kneee-jerk, I'm not suddently decuding to go the other way. Perhaps you are talking about voters who have been recently been voting Repub, then switched cause they are sick of high costs of living, low wages, UNPRECEDENTED debt and all the other lovely things the Repubs have goven us. That's not me tho, I've voted Dem for some time. The government has not started shifting left, but people like you have already made the choice to make it shift left. Since you are gonna vote next mth, and again for the next President, there is a good chance that you, and people like you will move the government back left.Quote I've been pushing it left with all my might for almost 10 years, what are you basing your absurd assertion upon? And that is shifting left. Unless you really don't plan on voting next mth. I can easily see the Demorcrats winning seats because of people who think and vote just like you. *** Yea buddy, my people are comming back to my party Woohoo, enough inflation, corporate profit, etc. Time for teh people to have a little. Don;t worry tho, we will pay down the debt for the next wave of you guys so you can bring it once again, back to UNPRECEDENTED levels. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #135 October 6, 2006 Quote and people like you will move the government back left. Really, before you comment, read this last paragraph twice. And that is shifting left. Unless you really don't plan on voting next mth. I can easily see the Demorcrats winning seats because of people who think and vote just like you. I really don't see a Democrat win as a shift to the left. I don't even see it as a return to the left. The left isn't even on the radar screen these days. There has been a spectrum shift to the right. All we're talking about these days is a relative shift. Honestly, if there was really a real ideology shift to the right then I wouldn't necessarily have a problem with it. That's democracy. But the recent shift has less to do with conservative ideology than it does the desire to hold the title of "winner" with regard to the party in power. Everything is being sold under false pretenses. War, security, prosperity......I guess I should quit looking to politicians for honesty. Duh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #136 October 6, 2006 QuoteTHose who can;t make a point resort to minor PA's. You mean like this one you just did to me? QuoteIf I 'payed' attention to what you were saying. Really funny you make a claim about making PA's and then do it QuoteGulf War 1 and the Iraq War are basically the same, other than the latter going further, very precedented. Carter and teh hostage crisis, Clinton and the China P-3 crisis... these things often repeat themselves under a different venue, in the case of Iraq, different decade same venue. So then how do you see today as different? I think if you actually tried you would see my point, but it is clear you would rather argue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #137 October 6, 2006 OH, I have another answer from this lady: QuoteBecause I'm not into politics. My mother made me and my sisters vote. My dad doesn't care too much for it. I didn't want to vote. My mother says because we are black then it's our right to vote. Also that our voting privileges will be taken away in a few years. I don't know if that's true or not. Something that happened back in the day when we got our chance to vote, after the slavery days. I let her know about Article V and 15th amendment. I don't think she will listen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #138 October 6, 2006 Back at the (Crawford) Ranch, Bush & Foley compare notes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #139 October 7, 2006 Another great speech from Olberman: http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/10/05/olbermanns-special-comment-it-is-not-the-democrats-whose-inaction-in-the-face-of-the-enemy-you-fear/"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #140 October 7, 2006 I heard they were putting up a memorial plaque for Olbermann at the Arizona 9/11 memorial....Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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