Gawain 0 #26 October 3, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteI find that whenever somebody speaks in absolutes, they're almost always incorrect. Oh I agree with that theory. Are you going to agree with my assesment of the book or will you become Exhibit A in my theory? Chris I agree with neither of your options. 1) I do not think 100% of any either group has a high likelihood of ever coming to complete agreement on anything. 2) Therefore, I can not possibly be your "Exhibit A." Looks like an absolute to me... So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #27 October 3, 2006 QuoteChis Chris Chris..... tesk tsk tsk.... I have seen him defend the indefensible things the right has done for quite a while. The man had INCREDIBLE amount of access... yet he would write lies??? Perhaps he said some of the things that they did NOT want him to report on... and now need to demonize the man. OK, now you're Exhibit A. Chris _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #28 October 3, 2006 My point is, we all know what side of the line Woodward resides on. The book has been out for about 8 minutes. I would think it would be prudent of an individual...no matter which side they're on...to give some time for the dust to settle. Remember F-9/11. Everyone was all over that like white on rice within seconds of its release, only to look like fools when the untruths and the truths were proven. Chris _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #29 October 3, 2006 QuoteLooks like an absolute to me... Perhaps to you. To someone else it may simply look like a logical conclusion. quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #30 October 3, 2006 QuoteMy point is, we all know what side of the line Woodward resides on. . Chris YES! His last two books were very favorable to the Bush administration.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #31 October 3, 2006 >My point is, we all know what side of the line Woodward resides on. Which side is that? He's been most complimentary to the Bush administration in his earlier books. >I would think it would be prudent of an individual...no matter >which side they're on...to give some time for the dust to settle. I tend to think it would be more prudent for people to ignore the "dust" completely, read the book themselves and draw their own conclusions. Long vituperative arguments about something no one has read aren't that useful or illuminating. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #32 October 3, 2006 Quotevituperative My.. what BIG ........................................................................................................................... . . Words you have That is just so hot Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #33 October 4, 2006 Once again, the only thing we know for sure is that we don't know anything for sure. Human comprehension is based on relativeness. Everything that we know is relative, something that is relative is not absolute, thus nothing that we know is absolute. It would be possible to state that human comprehension is based on absolutes. Everything that we know is absolute, something that is absolute is not relative, thus nothing that we know is relative. But since you can not prove either way, we are again left with something that is not absolute."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #34 October 4, 2006 QuoteMy point is, we all know what side of the line Woodward resides on. . Chris -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- YES! His last two books were very favorable to the Bush administration. At what point did I identify which side of the line Woodward lives on? You're still not getting my point. Shall I use you as Exhibit B? Chris _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
racer42 0 #35 October 4, 2006 QuoteI find that whenever somebody speaks in absolutes, they're almost always incorrect. Pardon me for buttin' in, but we do have one absolute...( at least for now ) and that is the right to vote. So let's quite our bitchin, get ten people, beside yourself to vote in the upcoming elections. Mid terms and in 08. While you are at it, see what your local school board is up to and go sit in a city council meeting or county commisioners court. Let them know you are watching. Democracy thrives on participation.L.A.S.T. #24 Co-Founder Biscuit Brothers Freefly Team Electric Toaster #3 Co-Founder Team Non Sequitor Co-Founder Team Happy Sock Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #36 October 4, 2006 Quote>My point is, we all know what side of the line Woodward resides on. Which side is that? He's been most complimentary to the Bush administration in his earlier books. Once again, not my point. You're almost a contender for Exhibit C...almost. Chris _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #37 October 4, 2006 > You're almost a contender for Exhibit C...almost. What do I have to do to make it to exhibit D? I hear that's the cool exhibit to be. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #38 October 4, 2006 QuoteOnce again, the only thing we know for sure is that we don't know anything for sure. Human comprehension is based on relativeness. Everything that we know is relative, something that is relative is not absolute, thus nothing that we know is absolute. It would be possible to state that human comprehension is based on absolutes. Everything that we know is absolute, something that is absolute is not relative, thus nothing that we know is relative. But since you can not prove either way, we are again left with something that is not absolute. I'd say we know a lot of things. They may need to be stated in relative terms, but we still know them. Just because something is not absolute doesn't make it unknown." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #39 October 4, 2006 QuoteI'd say we know a lot of things. They may need to be stated in relative terms, but we still know them. Just because something is not absolute doesn't make it unknown. ...and when you consider the fact that we know that there are unknowns, it can be absolute that we may never know all the unknowns. Hey, you never know. So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #40 October 4, 2006 QuoteThe Left is going to embrace it as its bible and believe every statement in the book, no matter what is proven to be false. The Right is going to deny every statement and label it as just another conspiracy no matter what is proven to be true. Neither side will be 100% correct. End of story. Chris Well, here's something that appears to be perfectly true: www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N04312319.htm... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #41 October 5, 2006 QuoteAt what point did I identify which side of the line Woodward lives on? You're still not getting my point. Shall I use you as Exhibit B? Chris The side with the cash. Last night I watched a live one-hour interview with him. At one point, someone said, "So, if you knew all this stuff 3 years ago, why didn't you publish it?" There was a lot of dodging about collecting and analyzing, but the obvious result was, he works for the Washington Post. The WP pays him a certain amount, but a big book signing bonus is the gold ring. I don't blame him for cashing in. I wish I could. It is handing to have someone put together a book that may get read vs expecting them to read his column religiously. He has certainly never been any presidents buddy. His job is to discuss decisions and the reasons. That isn't always pretty. The only unanswered question was one brought up by the interviewer last night. Bush Sr is a President. Do you think that he ever asked his son, "WTF ?" You have to know that there have been many, many hours of discussions. Both say it doesn't happen. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #42 October 5, 2006 And Happythoughts gets my point.Despite what some may think, I don't always think the 'Right' is always correct nor do I think the 'Left' is always wrong. What I'm saying is that everyone seems to have an agenda today based on ideology. There doesn't seem to be a motive to do what's right due to personal responsibility. Our country is divided right down the middle based on ideology. Who is thinking for themselves...and who is listening? We've lost our basic tenets of right and wrong. The assholes who plan to protest the Amish funerals are just a symptom of the entire problem. What has happened to a conscience or a moral compass these days? Unless someone is truly deranged, people do know the difference between right and wrong. But instead we allow an ideology to guide us. Today we're all over the Middle East. Some say the West is evil. Some say it is Islam that is evil. So we have war and millions of innocents are killed. Some say the innocents are killed due to murderous dictators. Others say they are killed due to war mongering presidents. And we can't forget the economic motives. Why is the world not up in arms at the genocide in Darfur? Those people just aren't worth it I guess. All of this mess is due to the whatever trillion number of people on this earth who ignore personal responsibility. We ignore our moral compass/conscience. We do what is right for 'me' rather than what is right for others. Maybe I'm a skeptic. I just see these books or movies roll out one after another from all sides of the aisle and whomever agrees with the ideology embraces it. Basically put, if you want to know what is wrong with the world today, it is man's inhumanity to man. Selfishness rules. I hope this makes some sense. I'm still having some neuro-cognitive problems and I have difficulty putting my thoughts into the proper words. Chris _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
