Sockpuppet 0 #1 October 2, 2006 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/5400570.stm These are kids for fuck sake, not targets. "Several dead.." are being reports. ------ Two of the three voices in my head agree with you. It might actually be unanimous but voice three only speaks Welsh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LisaM 0 #2 October 2, 2006 FOX says 6 dead.... Our world sucks.... ~ Lisa ~ Do you Rigminder? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mostly_Harmless 0 #3 October 2, 2006 It's out of control. It makes me sick to my stomach knowing that innocent kids are at risk like that. I don't know how anyone can look at a 12 year old and pull the trigger. It's disgusting._________________________________________ www.myspace.com/termvelocity Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #4 October 2, 2006 And this is in Bonfire because...? 3 - 2 - 1... tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LisaM 0 #5 October 2, 2006 2 Vegas schools on lockdown... this is eery.... http://keyetv.com/national/topstories_story_275110725.html ~ Lisa ~ Do you Rigminder? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Richards 0 #6 October 2, 2006 QuoteQuoteIt's out of control. It makes me sick to my stomach knowing that innocent kids are at risk like that. I don't know how anyone can look at a 12 year old and pull the trigger. It's disgusting. What really bothers me is that it's happening so often it no longer shocks me. Richards My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #7 October 2, 2006 QuoteWhat really bothers me is that it's happening so often it no longer shocks me. They attack kids for the shock value, to get their 15 minutes of infamy. And they know that since schools are gun-free zones, that there won't be anyone there to stop them. Thus, schools are perfect victim zones for the deranged. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,117 #8 October 2, 2006 QuoteQuoteWhat really bothers me is that it's happening so often it no longer shocks me. They attack kids for the shock value, to get their 15 minutes of infamy. And they know that since schools are gun-free zones, that there won't be anyone there to stop them. Thus, schools are perfect victim zones for the deranged. RIGHT! Blame the schools! I expect Clinton is behind it all.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #9 October 2, 2006 QuoteRIGHT! Blame the schools! Like it or not, he has a valid point about schools being attractive targets for people looking for fame. A childs death is much more powerful than an adults death and schools are filled with kids. A school being a gun free zone does mean that the gunman will encounter less trouble. QuoteI expect Clinton is behind it all. What does that have to do with this? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #10 October 2, 2006 for those not reading the article, the shooter was a 32 year old man with no apparent connection. Not another kid. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,117 #11 October 3, 2006 QuoteQuoteRIGHT! Blame the schools! Like it or not, he has a valid point about schools being attractive targets for people looking for fame. A childs death is much more powerful than an adults death and schools are filled with kids. A school being a gun free zone does mean that the gunman will encounter less trouble. Yes, blame the victim. Quote QuoteI expect Clinton is behind it all. What does that have to do with this? Not been paying attention, have you?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #12 October 3, 2006 Sigh. My teenage daughter saw the story on the news today. Now she doesn't want to go to school tomorrow. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveJack 1 #13 October 3, 2006 QuoteAnd this is in Bonfire because...? 3 - 2 - 1... t Because it is a sad social issue and a topic we feel the need to address from our soap box. My God, what a sick mind to do this to kids. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Richards 0 #14 October 3, 2006 QuoteThey attack kids for the shock value, to get their 15 minutes of infamy. It is so frequent now that 15 minutes of infamy seems about right. QuoteAnd they know that since schools are gun-free zones, that there won't be anyone there to stop them. I am not sure that it is purely a case of unarmed victims since there are many other choice locations for unarmed victims like, postal ofices or even hospitals ( the bedridden would not even be able to run or even get out of bed to hide). That said I am not a big fan of gun bans or any form of limmitting a persons right to self defence. However in these cases (I do not know the specifics of this one) it is usually a case of a bullied student snapping. Having been bullied when I was a kid (untill about grade 10 when I magically doubled in size) I can say for a fact that teachers themselves hate dorky loser types as much as the "normal" students do, and as a result teachers will turn a blind eye to a normal kid (or several normal kids) tormenting a misfit, yet will throw the book at the misfit if he crosses any lines in self defence. For example lets look at the guys who shot up Columbine. Before I get started let me state clearly that I do not accept a persons circumstances as an excuse for their actions and that I think these shooters should be shitting there pants when they stand in front of St. Peter. I am merely pointing out that sometimes teachers seem to watch contemptuously while normal kids throw flames at a human powder keg. A documentary I saw about the incident said that shortly before the shooting, both of those guys had been sitting in the cafeteria trying to eat lunch while many of the "normal" kids had thrown food at them while yelling "geek/loser/dork" at these guys until they had to leave the cafeteria under a barrage of food while the teachers did nothing....nothing. Now I ask you; If a school of predominately white students had pelted food at a couple of black kids while yelling "nigger" do you thing the faculty would have stood there and let that happen(if they cared about their jobs). Conversely if two black students had been chased out of a school cafeteria under a barrage of food while students chanted "nigger" while the teachers stood there and did nothing, can you honestly say that it would not have have been all over the six oclock news that night. It did not matter in this case because it was not perceived as wrong because these guys were just "losers" and thats why nothing was done. I am in no way making excuse for there actions since they killed innocent human beings and deserve to burn in hell for that but since we put so much effort into asking about the underlying causes of terrorism, crime rates in black communities... etc, we may take a moment and ask why it is always some loser who does this kind of thing and maybe why it is seen as OK to abuse these people, and if perhaps one leads to another. I got very lucky and put on a lot of size early on in high school and was able to stop that abuse on my own and take a little pleasure in returning the favour to a few of my former tormentors (again, and again, and again...) thus exorcising any of my demons but many people are simply not capable of standing up for themselves and, because they are "losers" the teachers seem to convince themselves that these losers "bring it on themselves". John I agree with you that people go overboard with thier knee-jerk "lets ban guns" response to these things and I am a strong beleiver in allowing a person the means to defend themselves effectively, but I also think that there needs to be more accountability at the faculty level about dealing with this because in my opinion the faculty are the biggest part of the problem. Again this is not an excuse for these guys because I hate when criminals whine about thier hardships in life "wha-wha-wha, I got it so bad...I be oppressed...mom does crack, sister is a street whore and sometimes I just don't feel fresh...etc" Cheers, Richards My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #15 October 3, 2006 Quote However in these cases (I do not know the specifics of this one) it is usually a case of a bullied student snapping. if so, he snapped after 20 years, and picked on girls who had nothing to do with it. IOW. not applicable here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #16 October 3, 2006 QuoteQuote Like it or not, he has a valid point about schools being attractive targets for people looking for fame. A childs death is much more powerful than an adults death and schools are filled with kids. A school being a gun free zone does mean that the gunman will encounter less trouble. Yes, blame the victim. You know quite well that he's blaming the government, not the victim here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
br0k3n 0 #17 October 3, 2006 QuoteQuoteWhat really bothers me is that it's happening so often it no longer shocks me. They attack kids for the shock value, to get their 15 minutes of infamy. And they know that since schools are gun-free zones, that there won't be anyone there to stop them. Thus, schools are perfect victim zones for the deranged. I thought that most school kids in the US were armed these days! Anyway JR, how come we don’t see these kind of school yard massacres in the UK???----------------------------------------------------------- --+ There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.. --+ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CornishChris 5 #18 October 3, 2006 Come on dude - remember Dunblane. Then we banned hand guns and it hasn't happened again. CJP Gods don't kill people. People with Gods kill people Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stumpy 284 #19 October 3, 2006 He he - now you're just stirring Never try to eat more than you can lift Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sockpuppet 0 #20 October 3, 2006 QuoteCome on dude - remember Dunblane. Then we banned hand guns and it hasn't happened again. Dont even get me started on that one. I really hope you were being sarcastic. The govt. banned handguns in the UK and gun crime rose. Hmm...even though all the legally held guns were handed in to police gun crime rose. What does that tell you. Maybe the gun crime in the first place wasnt caused by legally held firearms. So now after Dunblane: a) no legally held handguns b) we are the ONLY country in the world to make competing in an Olympic sport illegal c) Have more gun crime now than we did 10 years ago. Good one Tony that be some effective legislation. ------ Two of the three voices in my head agree with you. It might actually be unanimous but voice three only speaks Welsh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #21 October 3, 2006 Quotewe are the ONLY country in the world to make competing in an Olympic sport illegal A little perspective: rythmic gymnastics (the twirly-ribbon thing) is a crime against nature. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,117 #22 October 3, 2006 QuoteQuotewe are the ONLY country in the world to make competing in an Olympic sport illegal A little perspective: rythmic gymnastics (the twirly-ribbon thing) is a crime against nature. Synchronized swimming!... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Richards 0 #23 October 3, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuote However in these cases (I do not know the specifics of this one) it is usually a case of a bullied student snapping. if so, he snapped after 20 years, and picked on girls who had nothing to do with it. IOW. not applicable here. Agreed . As I stated I was not familiar with this case. Obviously this guy is a sicko who targetted people who did nothing to him. I just wanted to make the point that this is not as black and white as both the pro gun and anti gun lobby tend to paint it. I usually find that when you look at these shootings there seems to be a bit of a pattern leading up to it. Richards My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #24 October 3, 2006 QuoteAnd they know that since schools are gun-free zones, that there won't be anyone there to stop them. In this case it was a one room Amish School. Gun free zone or not, I don't think there would have been too many guns in that place regardless. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #25 October 3, 2006 Quotewas able to stop that abuse on my own and take a little pleasure in returning the favour to a few of my former tormentors (again, and again, and again...) thus exorcising any of my demons "stop on your own" good for you "Take pleasure in returning the favour (repeatedly with smileys)" so the bullied becomes the bully "exorcising any of my demons" that should have happened when you stopped it on your own instead of needing to push the point - a bit middle eastern dominant attitude don't you think? That was one of the saddest posts I've read in a long time. Do you think if you'd have not "doubled in size" you might have taken your Dad's gun to school? Your point is good though - Teachers/faculty need to be adults and protect ALL the kids instead of soft pedaling their little PC social program rules of conduct. And parents need to authorize it. Teachers are purposely tying their hands with PC thuggery in order to avoid having any responsibility for doing the right thing with kids. edit: and the teachers are self righteous about it too. They remove any tool that the parent can have with their own kids, then point to the parent, whilst doing nothing on their own except making it even harder. Typical, "good intentions, completely miss the point and make things worse" results - courtesy of some of the far left. Too bad it's so predictable ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
