kallend 2,182 #1 October 1, 2006 Excerpts:... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #2 October 1, 2006 Now we need one about the Clinton administration. Possible titles.......... State of Coma: How Bill Clinton slept through 8 years in office or......it's too obvious....... State of Arousal: How Bill Clinton brought shame to the highest office in the land. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #3 October 1, 2006 QuoteNow we need one about the Clinton administration. Possible titles.......... State of Coma: How Bill Clinton slept through 8 years in office or......it's too obvious....... State of Arousal: How Bill Clinton brought shame to the highest office in the land. WOW, only one post before "Clinton was worse". This must be a record even for SC.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #4 October 1, 2006 Quoteonly one post before "Clinton was worse". Clinton didn't have a shit sandwich to manage. He passed that on to W. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #5 October 1, 2006 Quote"Clinton was worse". Oh BTW..........I didn't say that. You did. For the record........I don't think Bush is any "Great President." I do think he has done a decent job though considering the hand he was dealt. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #6 October 1, 2006 QuoteQuote"Clinton was worse". Oh BTW..........I didn't say that. You did. For the record........I don't think Bush is any "Great President." I do think he has done a decent job though considering the hand he was dealt. Yes, the debt was falling, we were at peace...... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #7 October 1, 2006 QuoteYes, the debt was falling, we were at peace... Really.........talk about "State of Denial." Yep......that's how we ended up where we are today. I suppose you would claim we were "At Peace" prior to Dec 7 1941 too? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #8 October 1, 2006 We were at peace? Yes........to Clinton I guess we were. These 19 servicemen's lives didn't mean much to him obviously. What does it take for the left to admit we are at war? How long did they plan on living in a "State of Denial?" "In another revelation, Freeh says the former president let down the American people and the families of victims of the Khobar Towers terror attack in Saudi Arabia. After promising to bring to justice those responsible for the bombing that killed 19 and injured hundreds, Freeh says Clinton refused to personally ask Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah to allow the FBI to question bombing suspects the kingdom had in custody – the only way the bureau could secure the interviews, according to Freeh. Freeh writes in the book, “Bill Clinton raised the subject only to tell the crown prince that he understood the Saudis’ reluctance to cooperate and then he hit Abdullah up for a contribution to the Clinton Presidential Library.” Says Freeh, “That’s a fact that I am reporting.” Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cudlo 0 #9 October 1, 2006 QuoteYes, the debt was falling, we were at peace... A) The national debt grew by about 1.6 trillion dollars under Clinton. B) We were involved in many military conflicts during Clinton's administration._________________________________________ "People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid." - Kierkegaard Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #10 October 1, 2006 QuoteQuoteYes, the debt was falling, we were at peace... A) The national debt grew by about 1.6 trillion dollars under Clinton. B) We were involved in many military conflicts during Clinton's administration. 1. It was falling when Bush II took over. Reagan, Bush I and Bush II added more to the debt than ALL OTHER PRESIDENTS COMBINED. Clinton inherited a huge deficit from Reagan/Bush and reversed it. 2. We were not at war. We are now in a WOT declared by the Prez. Over 2700 American boys dead in Bush's misadventure in Iraq.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #11 October 1, 2006 QuoteWe were not at war. You keep saying that but the facts tell a differen't story. So if we just sit at home and ignore terrorist attacks we are not at war? Is that how it works Kallend? That's called denial where I come from. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #12 October 1, 2006 QuoteQuoteWe were not at war. You keep saying that but the facts tell a differen't story. So if we just sit at home and ignore terrorist attacks we are not at war? Is that how it works Kallend? That's called denial where I come from. If the attacks had been treated as the criminal acts they are, rather than as war, we'd be a damn sight better off.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #13 October 1, 2006 QuoteIf the attacks had been treated as the criminal acts they are, rather than as war, we'd be a damn sight better off. Like this? In another revelation, Freeh says the former president let down the American people and the families of victims of the Khobar Towers terror attack in Saudi Arabia. After promising to bring to justice those responsible for the bombing that killed 19 and injured hundreds, Freeh says Clinton refused to personally ask Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah to allow the FBI to question bombing suspects the kingdom had in custody – the only way the bureau could secure the interviews, according to Freeh. Freeh writes in the book, “Bill Clinton raised the subject only to tell the crown prince that he understood the Saudis’ reluctance to cooperate and then he hit Abdullah up for a contribution to the Clinton Presidential Library.” Says Freeh, “That’s a fact that I am reporting.” Or the Cole investigation problems. This article sums them all up. QuoteAt the time of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, his administration was just beginning, and he was embroiled in controversies over gays in the military, an economic stimulus plan, and the beginnings of Hillary Clinton's health-care task force. Khobar Towers happened not only in the midst of the president's re-election campaign but also at the end of a month in which there were new and damaging developments in the Whitewater and Filegate scandals. The African embassy attacks occurred as the Monica Lewinsky affair was at fever pitch, in the month that Clinton appeared before independent counsel Kenneth Starr's grand jury. And when the Cole was rammed, Clinton had little time left in office and was desperately hoping to build his legacy with a breakthrough in the Arab-Israeli conflict. Whenever a serious terrorist attack occurred, it seemed Bill Clinton was always busy with something else. I've seen how Democrats handle our problems. Bush may not be perfect but at least he isn't too busy trying to polish his own image to take care of business. I'll stay with the Republicans thanks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #14 October 1, 2006 It's clear that you are proud of your support for a proven liar, whose lies led us into a war that's killed 2,700+ American troops, and who has made the USA the biggest debtor in the history of the world. Cool.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #15 October 1, 2006 QuoteQuoteYes, the debt was falling, we were at peace... A) The national debt grew by about 1.6 trillion dollars under Clinton. B) We were involved in many military conflicts during Clinton's administration. Quote Say it aint so!!! No wonder so many of my friends didn't get leave to go hunt with me. THEY WERE DEPLOYED!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freeflir29 0 #16 October 1, 2006 QuoteIt's clear that you are proud of your support Yep Quotefor a proven liar Back up and tell me when he lied. Specifically......and don't bother saying "He said Iraq had weapons of mass destruction." Because......it's quite clear they did.........the whole world knows that. Quoteand who has made the USA the biggest debtor in the history of the world. Everybody cried about the money Reagan spent too. He defeated the Soviet Union. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,182 #17 October 1, 2006 QuoteQuoteIt's clear that you are proud of your support Yep Quotefor a proven liar Back up and tell me when he lied. Specifically......and don't bother saying "He said Iraq had weapons of mass destruction." Because......it's quite clear they did.........the whole world knows that. Earlier you claimed you had read the Sernate Intelligence Committee Report. Lots of details of the lies. How could you have missed it And of course, there's "we will have a deficit that is small and short term". Quote Quoteand who has made the USA the biggest debtor in the history of the world. Everybody cried about the money Reagan spent too. He defeated the Soviet Union. A convenient myth. And Iraq is NOT the USSR.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freeflir29 0 #18 October 2, 2006 QuoteEarlier you claimed you had read the Sernate Intelligence Committee Report. Now who is the liar? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freethefly 6 #19 October 2, 2006 Quote-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It's clear that you are proud of your support -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yep Your Brave and Fearless leader"...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lawrocket 3 #20 October 2, 2006 "The 'affairs' of state must take precedence over the 'affairs of state.'" - Governor William J. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,182 #21 October 2, 2006 QuoteQuoteEarlier you claimed you had read the Sernate Intelligence Committee Report. Now who is the liar? So what DID you mean when you wrote that you hadn't missed it?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,182 #22 October 2, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteYes, the debt was falling, we were at peace... A) The national debt grew by about 1.6 trillion dollars under Clinton. B) We were involved in many military conflicts during Clinton's administration. Quote Say it aint so!!! No wonder so many of my friends didn't get leave to go hunt with me. THEY WERE DEPLOYED!!! "My plan reduces the national debt, and fast. So fast, in fact, that economists worry that we're going to run out of debt to retire." President G.W. Bush —radio address, Feb. 24, 2001 www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_attachment;postatt_id=35910;... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #23 October 2, 2006 yack yack yack aren't you going to tell me that SOCOM was sitting on their asses for eight fucking years? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Samurai136 0 #24 October 2, 2006 I particularly like this quote from the book: QuoteIn March 2006, Rumsfeld invited six of the Pentagon’s regular outside advisers in to be briefed and ask questions. One was Ken Adelman, a longtime Rumsfeld friend and vehement early supporter of the war who had become entirely disillusioned over the administration’s handling of the postwar. His relationship with Rumsfeld was almost over. “What metrics would you use for success in Iraq?” Adelman asked Rumsfeld. “You know, for winning the war?” “Oh, there are hundreds,” Rumsfeld replied. “It’s just so complicated that there are hundreds.” “Wait a minute,” Adelman insisted. “A former boss of mine always said identify three or four things, then always ask about, get measurements and you’ll get progress or else you’ll never get any progress.” The former boss was Rumsfeld himself, who had driven the point home to Adelman 35 years ago, when he worked for Rumsfeld at the Office of Economic Opportunity. What are they? Adelman insisted. Rumsfeld said it was so complicated that he could not give a list. “Hundreds,” he insisted. Adelman believed that meant there was a total lack of accountability. If Rumsfeld didn’t agree to any criteria, he couldn’t be said to have failed on any criteria. “Then you don’t have anything,” Adelman said. He left as disturbed as ever. There was no accountability. Rumsfelds reaction to the book: Quote“First of all, I haven’t read it,” Rumsfeld told reporters Friday when asked about the book during a NATO meeting in Slovenia. “Second, I don’t know what you’re referring to. And third, you can find someone in government to say almost anything you want.” Does that mean you are admiting the White House lied about WMD and the 'reasons' for war?"Buttons aren't toys." - Trillian Ken Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ryoder 1,590 #25 October 2, 2006 It just baffles me why politicians still talk to Woodward. Everyone knows who he is and what he does, so how does he get them to keep talking to him?"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. 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freeflir29 0 #16 October 1, 2006 QuoteIt's clear that you are proud of your support Yep Quotefor a proven liar Back up and tell me when he lied. Specifically......and don't bother saying "He said Iraq had weapons of mass destruction." Because......it's quite clear they did.........the whole world knows that. Quoteand who has made the USA the biggest debtor in the history of the world. Everybody cried about the money Reagan spent too. He defeated the Soviet Union. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #17 October 1, 2006 QuoteQuoteIt's clear that you are proud of your support Yep Quotefor a proven liar Back up and tell me when he lied. Specifically......and don't bother saying "He said Iraq had weapons of mass destruction." Because......it's quite clear they did.........the whole world knows that. Earlier you claimed you had read the Sernate Intelligence Committee Report. Lots of details of the lies. How could you have missed it And of course, there's "we will have a deficit that is small and short term". Quote Quoteand who has made the USA the biggest debtor in the history of the world. Everybody cried about the money Reagan spent too. He defeated the Soviet Union. A convenient myth. And Iraq is NOT the USSR.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #18 October 2, 2006 QuoteEarlier you claimed you had read the Sernate Intelligence Committee Report. Now who is the liar? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freethefly 6 #19 October 2, 2006 Quote-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It's clear that you are proud of your support -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yep Your Brave and Fearless leader"...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #20 October 2, 2006 "The 'affairs' of state must take precedence over the 'affairs of state.'" - Governor William J. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #21 October 2, 2006 QuoteQuoteEarlier you claimed you had read the Sernate Intelligence Committee Report. Now who is the liar? So what DID you mean when you wrote that you hadn't missed it?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #22 October 2, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteYes, the debt was falling, we were at peace... A) The national debt grew by about 1.6 trillion dollars under Clinton. B) We were involved in many military conflicts during Clinton's administration. Quote Say it aint so!!! No wonder so many of my friends didn't get leave to go hunt with me. THEY WERE DEPLOYED!!! "My plan reduces the national debt, and fast. So fast, in fact, that economists worry that we're going to run out of debt to retire." President G.W. Bush —radio address, Feb. 24, 2001 www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_attachment;postatt_id=35910;... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #23 October 2, 2006 yack yack yack aren't you going to tell me that SOCOM was sitting on their asses for eight fucking years? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Samurai136 0 #24 October 2, 2006 I particularly like this quote from the book: QuoteIn March 2006, Rumsfeld invited six of the Pentagon’s regular outside advisers in to be briefed and ask questions. One was Ken Adelman, a longtime Rumsfeld friend and vehement early supporter of the war who had become entirely disillusioned over the administration’s handling of the postwar. His relationship with Rumsfeld was almost over. “What metrics would you use for success in Iraq?” Adelman asked Rumsfeld. “You know, for winning the war?” “Oh, there are hundreds,” Rumsfeld replied. “It’s just so complicated that there are hundreds.” “Wait a minute,” Adelman insisted. “A former boss of mine always said identify three or four things, then always ask about, get measurements and you’ll get progress or else you’ll never get any progress.” The former boss was Rumsfeld himself, who had driven the point home to Adelman 35 years ago, when he worked for Rumsfeld at the Office of Economic Opportunity. What are they? Adelman insisted. Rumsfeld said it was so complicated that he could not give a list. “Hundreds,” he insisted. Adelman believed that meant there was a total lack of accountability. If Rumsfeld didn’t agree to any criteria, he couldn’t be said to have failed on any criteria. “Then you don’t have anything,” Adelman said. He left as disturbed as ever. There was no accountability. Rumsfelds reaction to the book: Quote“First of all, I haven’t read it,” Rumsfeld told reporters Friday when asked about the book during a NATO meeting in Slovenia. “Second, I don’t know what you’re referring to. And third, you can find someone in government to say almost anything you want.” Does that mean you are admiting the White House lied about WMD and the 'reasons' for war?"Buttons aren't toys." - Trillian Ken Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ryoder 1,590 #25 October 2, 2006 It just baffles me why politicians still talk to Woodward. Everyone knows who he is and what he does, so how does he get them to keep talking to him?"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
warpedskydiver 0 #23 October 2, 2006 yack yack yack aren't you going to tell me that SOCOM was sitting on their asses for eight fucking years? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Samurai136 0 #24 October 2, 2006 I particularly like this quote from the book: QuoteIn March 2006, Rumsfeld invited six of the Pentagon’s regular outside advisers in to be briefed and ask questions. One was Ken Adelman, a longtime Rumsfeld friend and vehement early supporter of the war who had become entirely disillusioned over the administration’s handling of the postwar. His relationship with Rumsfeld was almost over. “What metrics would you use for success in Iraq?” Adelman asked Rumsfeld. “You know, for winning the war?” “Oh, there are hundreds,” Rumsfeld replied. “It’s just so complicated that there are hundreds.” “Wait a minute,” Adelman insisted. “A former boss of mine always said identify three or four things, then always ask about, get measurements and you’ll get progress or else you’ll never get any progress.” The former boss was Rumsfeld himself, who had driven the point home to Adelman 35 years ago, when he worked for Rumsfeld at the Office of Economic Opportunity. What are they? Adelman insisted. Rumsfeld said it was so complicated that he could not give a list. “Hundreds,” he insisted. Adelman believed that meant there was a total lack of accountability. If Rumsfeld didn’t agree to any criteria, he couldn’t be said to have failed on any criteria. “Then you don’t have anything,” Adelman said. He left as disturbed as ever. There was no accountability. Rumsfelds reaction to the book: Quote“First of all, I haven’t read it,” Rumsfeld told reporters Friday when asked about the book during a NATO meeting in Slovenia. “Second, I don’t know what you’re referring to. And third, you can find someone in government to say almost anything you want.” Does that mean you are admiting the White House lied about WMD and the 'reasons' for war?"Buttons aren't toys." - Trillian Ken Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #25 October 2, 2006 It just baffles me why politicians still talk to Woodward. Everyone knows who he is and what he does, so how does he get them to keep talking to him?"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
