Maybe you shouldn't believe everything in the liberal media

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http://jamestown.org/terrorism/news/article.php?articleid=2369940



Just a thought........seems everyone back in the states that has never been to Iraq and just KNOWS everything about Iraq............"Because they read it or saw it on the news" .........MIGHT not have the whole picture.

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I'll call and raise ya one intell report>http://www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=2484532

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The report found that the war has helped create a new generation of Islamic radicalism and that the overall terrorist threat has grown since the Sept. 11 attacks.

So you are advocating that US Foreign policy should be based on the public opinion in foreign countries. Hey........I have an idea.........lets just let other countries vote too. How bout that? Then they will never be pissed off because the people they elected make the policy. I think we are on to something.



Wake up please!

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Groups like Anbar Revenge Brigade have come to the conclusion that the best way to reduce the coalition troop presence in their home regions is to flush out al-Qaeda elements in their cities. Iraqi Sunni tribal and religious leaders have been victims of al-Qaeda attacks, further turning key tribes in al-Anbar against al-Qaeda elements.

The Anbar Revenge Brigade was formed with Iraqi government and coalition military backing and support through a "security committee" initiative that attempts to place security responsibility in the hands of local residents. The Anbar Revenge Brigade and groups like it are not a formal part of Iraq's security structure. Instead, they are armed groups made up of tribal members that assist securing al-Anbar in conjunction with Iraqi security services (Assyrian News Agency, January 30). It is estimated that the Brigade consists of around 100 members.

The creation of the Anbar Revenge Brigade stemmed from meetings between provincial leaders, Iraqi security officials and coalition representatives in November 2005. The purpose of the meeting was to discuss creative solutions to step up U.S. withdrawal and to secure the cooperation of tribal elements in improving the security situation in the restive province (Arab Times, March 16).


That, right there, is what I'd think we'd WANT to see. Great!

I don't like the fact that we're there either, but I do like to see progress being made. Maybe this is some.

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but I do like to see progress being made.

Mark my words though........Next thing you'll see is some group saying that America is now forming "Death Squads" in Iraq.

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but I do like to see progress being made.

Mark my words though........Next thing you'll see is some group saying that America is now forming "Death Squads" in Iraq.

No, just promoting the conditions for civil war.

We should not have gone there,
we went anyway, rationalized by lies, and against the advice of most of our allies,
our occupation has been mismanaged due to incompetence at the very top,
we should not be there,
our presence is, ipso facto, destabilizing Iraq.

Unfortunately a bunch more fine American boys will have to die and be maimed before we can extricate our troops, just to satisfy the CinC's desire to be a "War President".

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No, just promoting the conditions for civil war.

Uhhh............how is promoting the Iraqis to be responsible for their own security "promoting conditions for civil war?" So the Americans should do it? But then you'll bitch about them killing "innocent" iraqis.

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No, just promoting the conditions for civil war.

Uhhh............how is promoting the Iraqis to be responsible for their own security "promoting conditions for civil war?" So the Americans should do it? But then you'll bitch about them killing "innocent" iraqis.

There is a civil war and we precipitated it by our unjustified invasion and incompetently managed occupation.

Our continued presence just keeps the wound festering.

Civil war, a war between different sections or parties of
the same country or nation.

Unfortunately a bunch more fine American boys will have to die and be maimed before we can extricate our troops, just to satisfy the CinC's desire to be a "War President".

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There is a civil war

I don't think so. I think there is a lot of sectarian motivated violence but civil war it is not.

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There is a civil war

I don't think so. I think there is a lot of sectarian motivated violence but civil war it is not.

My dictionary says it fills all the requirements to be a civil war.

You too are in a State of Denial.

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The report found that the war has helped create a new generation of Islamic radicalism and that the overall terrorist threat has grown since the Sept. 11 attacks.

So you are advocating that US Foreign policy should be based on the public opinion in foreign countries. Hey........I have an idea.........lets just let other countries vote too. How bout that? Then they will never be pissed off because the people they elected make the policy. I think we are on to something.

What's US foreign policy based on at the moment, 'cos according to that it sure isn't based on making you safer!

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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'cos according to that it sure isn't based on making you safer!

Yes.......and entering WWI and WWII didn't make me any safer at the time either. In fact.......it put the American people at a higher risk until we kicked the shit out of our enemies. Haven't been in ANY danger from Japan or Germany since.

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My dictionary says it fills all the requirements to be a civil war.

Does yours have a broad definition like this? Wow.....I better add damn near every country in the world to the list of ones that are involved in a "civil war."

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Since you are so all knowing about Iraq, I have some questions for you:

1. What is the current, official, stated strategy for Iraq?
2. What would be considered a Victory in Iraq?

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You need a new dictionary. One without an agenda

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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
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You need a new dictionary. One without an agenda

Take a look at the facts, man. It's a civil war.

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Civil war, a war between different sections or parties of the same country or nation.

So the war on drugs was a civil war?It's got the word WAR right there.

Damn, I guess that means that police and organized criminals are at civil war.

But I guess if the people who want to be liberated didn't fight than we could all just settle down because there would be no war to bitch about from either side.

Sympathizing with tyrants and terrorists isn't a very good idea to me. I don't have much desire to be there but if we left now there would be a blood bath as soon as we did.

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>You need a new dictionary. One without an agenda

In the immortal words of Stephen Colbert - "reality has a well-known liberal agenda."

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Since you are so all knowing about Iraq, I have some questions for you:

1. What is the current, official, stated strategy for Iraq?
2. What would be considered a Victory in Iraq?

Screw the "official" strategy. The reason we are there is to prop up a US friendly government.* Not turning out at all like they hoped. But Bush's cronies are sure getting rich for the effort. Anybody know what the Halliburton, Bechtel, et al contracts are worth now? Gotta be in the tens of billions.

*Like we did in Iran with the Shah. That worked well for what, about 20 years? Screwed it up in the long run though. They got caught completely off-guard by the fundamentalist revolution, totally misread the lay of the land. Course it isn't surprising a bunch of Ivy League stuffed shirts didn't see the writing on the desert floor.

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Yes.......and entering WWI and WWII didn't make me any safer at the time either. In fact.......it put the American people at a higher risk until we kicked the shit out of our enemies. Haven't been in ANY danger from Japan or Germany since.

And the parallels with WWI and II are what again?
Maybe we should just kick everbody's ass, you know, let 'em know who's boss. Damn uppity resource rich sovereign nations, gotta bitch slap 'em every once in a while to get some respect!
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Civil war, a war between different sections or parties of the same country or nation.

So the war on drugs was a civil war?It's got the word WAR right there.

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Not even clever.

Nancy Reagan was never in a real war (neither was Ronnie). Just because they misnamed their anti-drug program doesn't make it a war.

Iraq, otoh, fits all the requirements to be described as a civil war (as well as a quagmire and a fiasco).

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Screw the "official" strategy. The reason we are there is to prop up a US friendly government.* Not turning out at all like they hoped. But Bush's cronies are sure getting rich for the effort. Anybody know what the Halliburton, Bechtel, et al contracts are worth now? Gotta be in the tens of billions.***

yeah..thats just wrong..we should have let BinLaden Construction have a bid at it.

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I wasn;t trying to be clever, I was using your definition. It's right there, man. its a civil with with drugs. our gov't is even involved with it.

It was our Gov't at war with its own people. By the Definition you supplied it makes it a civil war. they used guns to enforce the laws they chose.


In Iraq, It's not so much the gov't that is at war with its people. Its the (new) gov't at war with those who wish to rule those people by fear.

At this point Saddam has been gone and there isn't much left of the old gov't. So if two "sections" (terrorist and the liberation squad) are at "differences" and that makes it a civil war then by that same def. we must be in one, right?

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>So if two "sections" (terrorist and the liberation squad) are
> at "differences" and that makes it a civil war then by that same def.
> we must be in one, right?

We have US terrorist groups trying to take over our government? Did I miss something?

>In Iraq, It's not so much the gov't that is at war with its people. Its
> the (new) gov't at war with those who wish to rule those people by
> fear.

Well, both sides are trying to do that now. The insurgents are trying to make the government very afraid, and the government are trying to make the insurgents fear for their lives. And of course here our government is using fear to keep support for the war up. ("If you don't support the war, the terrorists will come and kill your children!")

Whether it's a true civil war or an incipient civil war (which is what US military commanders refer to it as) doesn't make much difference. What does matter is that the violence in Iraq is increasing daily, and our attempts to stop it aren't working. Indeed, they result in dead US soldiers and a growing resentment among Iraqis. Those are the problems we have to fix; call the conflict whatever you like.

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We have US terrorist groups trying to take over our government? Did I miss something?

Apparently you did. MANY other examples out there if you'd look.

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And the parallels with WWI and II are what again?

That a left wing policy of appeasement is a disastrous road to follow.