NCclimber 0 #226 October 4, 2006 Not to take anything away from how Foley should be treated/prosecuted but.... I can't help but wonder why those, who are the most outraged about someone sending dirty messages to minors (who were savy enough to land a spot in the Congressional Page program) are the same people who think it's okay for minors to get abortions without parental notification. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #227 October 4, 2006 I think that if it is true that anyone was aware this was going on and did nothing to stop it, whichever side of the isle they sit on, they are culpable. Politics be damned. Just can't justify it no matter which way ya' contort it. linz-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #228 October 4, 2006 I can't help but wonder why those, who are the most outraged about someone sending dirty messages to minors (who were savy enough to land a spot in the Congressional Page program) are the same people who think it's okay for minors to get abortions without parental notification. Well....they're very different issues. One involves sexual abuse of a child. The other involves reproductive rights.-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #229 October 4, 2006 QuoteNot to take anything away from how Foley should be treated/prosecuted but.... I can't help but wonder why those, who are the most outraged about someone sending dirty messages to minors (who were savy enough to land a spot in the Congressional Page program) are the same people who think it's okay for minors to get abortions without parental notification. Good point!"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #230 October 4, 2006 QuoteI think that if it is true that anyone was aware this was going on and did nothing to stop it, whichever side of the isle they sit on, they are culpable. Politics be damned. Just can't justify it no matter which way ya' contort it. linz Agreed!!!!!! If Hasert did have the IM's (which I doubt) then he should go down in flames"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #231 October 4, 2006 Quote I can't help but wonder why those, who are the most outraged about someone sending dirty messages to minors (who were savy enough to land a spot in the Congressional Page program) are the same people who think it's okay for minors to get abortions without parental notification. Well....they're very different issues. One involves sexual abuse of a child. The other involves reproductive rights. What about the rights of the parent?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #232 October 4, 2006 QuoteWell....they're very different issues. One involves sexual abuse of a child. The other involves reproductive rights. I'd say both involve sexual abuse of a child...wouldn't you? On the notification issue - I disagree. If the child is of an age where the parents still hold responsibility for that child, the parents should be informed, just as they would be if the child were hospitalized or arrested.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #233 October 4, 2006 QuoteI think that if it is true that anyone was aware this was going on and did nothing to stop it, whichever side of the isle they sit on, they are culpable. Politics be damned. Just can't justify it no matter which way ya' contort it. linz Yes, I agree. It's bad enough if someone knew this was going on and did nothing to stop it. It makes it even more deplorable if the reason it was allowed to continue was because revealing it at the right time would give a political advantage to either party. Didn't take too long, though. http://www.pattywetterling.com/media/crimes.php Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #234 October 4, 2006 Here's an apt (and even-handed) commentary I read in a column today: Quote The worst thing about this scandal is that it's the second time our politicians have been caught using the page program as a jailbait dating service. Members of Congress should register with the local sheriff's department when they move and be prohibited from living within 500 yards of a school or day care center. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #235 October 4, 2006 Quote I can't help but wonder why those, who are the most outraged about someone sending dirty messages to minors (who were savy enough to land a spot in the Congressional Page program) are the same people who think it's okay for minors to get abortions without parental notification. Well....they're very different issues. One involves sexual abuse of a child. The other involves reproductive rights. But they both involve how we, as a society, treat our children. On the one hand, these pages are poor defenseless children, and on the other, those girls are mature enough to make a major decision on their own. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #236 October 4, 2006 QuoteI find it interesting that the reporter found out about the emails and such in August and conveniently couldn't get around to publishing until 6 weeks before the election... Can you make up your collective mind in the Republican camp... In a post DAN RATHER world.. perhaps reporters are checking their sources a bit more stringently... is that not what you were crying and crowing for before??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #237 October 4, 2006 QuoteI'd say both involve sexual abuse of a child...wouldn't you? No I would not. An adult having sex with a minor ..ie a pedophile is far different than the way most of these" Children" are having sex and ending up pregnant. One sure way is to have no fucking clue how your body works since your parents have not bothered to do their parental duty and teach you about your body... rather than sticking to the total abstinence mantra... that just aint working so well ... at least for the last few thousand years or so.... where its been tried and has not worked out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #238 October 4, 2006 QuoteQuoteI find it interesting that the reporter found out about the emails and such in August and conveniently couldn't get around to publishing until 6 weeks before the election... Can you make up your collective mind in the Republican camp... In a post DAN RATHER world.. perhaps reporters are checking their sources a bit more stringently... is that not waht you were cring for before??? Yes, it was...funny how they went and interviewed the person and STILL saw fit to sit on the story, isn't it?? I'm still waiting to see analysis on the IM's, as well... hopefully they weren't sent to Mr. Ross from a Kinko's in Abilene... There's also the editorial quote, below: "We have a lot more questions about this whole affair. The timing of the revelations, as we noted, couldn't be more propitious for the Democrats. Turns out both the Democrats and several newspapers seem to have known about Foley's problem as far back as November, according to research by several enterprising blogs" If the quote above turns out to be true, maybe the DEMS should be the ones facing criminal investigation...Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #239 October 4, 2006 QuoteQuoteI'd say both involve sexual abuse of a child...wouldn't you? No I would not. An adult having sex with a minor ..ie a pedophile is far different than the way most of these" Children" are having sex and ending up pregnant. One sure way is to have no fucking clue how your body works since your parents have not bothered to do their parental duty and teach you about your body... rather than sticking to the total abstinence mantra... that just aint working so well ... at least for the last few thousand years or so.... where its been tried and has not worked out. Please, enlighten us to the difference.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #240 October 4, 2006 What I pick up from that perspective it that teenagers have never been dificult. It's all the parents fault. The parents never teach teenagers about sex, and that earns them the right to become promiscious and start reproducing like rabbits say, at age 15. We should include drugs into the mix as well as alcohol. Shouldn't we Amazon?"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #241 October 4, 2006 QuoteThe parents never teach teenagers about sex, and that earns them the right to become promiscious and start reproducing like rabbits say, at age 15. We should include drugs into the mix as well as alcohol. Shouldn't we Amazon? I guess if you as a parent give up.. or WILL not talk to them.. OR only give them the idea that sex is dirty and sinful.... I know PLENTY of parents that CAN NOT talk to their own kids about sex.... they are embarrassed....to talk about sex... that is totally screwed up and reflects a very disfunctional puritanical system. Personally I would rather teach a child from an early age IN YOUR family home... truthful information about their bodies.. and their sexuality and you would have far less need to have children who need abortions... perhaps in your world.. you have lived thru that scenario...In my world I lived thru the one I described... with NO ill effects. If you are too busy to raise your children....If you are to ashamed to talk to your children about a wonderful part of their lives.... Then you will indeed live in what the chinese call...."interesting times" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #242 October 4, 2006 QuoteQuoteI find it interesting that the reporter found out about the emails and such in August and conveniently couldn't get around to publishing until 6 weeks before the election... Can you make up your collective mind in the Republican camp... In a post DAN RATHER world.. perhaps reporters are checking their sources a bit more stringently... is that not what you were crying and crowing for before??? Sorry Both papers responded today stating they saw no story in the emails. Another bubble burst.........."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #243 October 4, 2006 What I perceive is that you had a very "interesting" teenage years. Are you a parent? In my case my offspring (one only) is 6 years old, and we are very open. Not the teenage years yet, but already has the idea about how children are "made". Educating a child is not as cut and dry as you try to make it."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #244 October 4, 2006 From Human Events Online Do you remember as much of a brew ha ha when these came out? Same results? Not saying is it ok for Foley (Foley is scum (and a hypocrit and deserves what is coming to him) but I don't remember these very well Text Size: S M L view archives Wednesday, October 04, 2006 Top 10 Democrat Sex Scandals in Congress Information compiled from the Washington Post, “Congressional Sex Scandals in History,” and other sources. 10. Sen. Daniel Inouye. The 82-year-old Hawaii Democrat was accused in the 1990s by numerous women of sexual harassment. Democrats cast doubt on the allegations and the Senate Ethics Committee dropped its investigation. 9. Former Rep. Gus Savage. The Illinois Democrat was accused of fondling a Peace Corps volunteer in 1989 while on a trip to Africa. The House Ethics Committee decided against disciplinary action in 1990. 8. Rep. Barney Frank. The outspoken Massachusetts Democrat hired a male prostitute who ran a prostitution service from Frank’s residence in the 1980s. Only two Democrats in the House of Representatives voted to censure him in 1990. 7. Former Sen. Brock Adams. The late Washington Democrat was forced to stop campaigning after numerous accusations of drugging, assault and rape, the first surfacing in 1988. 6. Former Rep. Fred Richmond. This New York Democrat was arrested in 1978 for soliciting sex from a 16-year-old. He remained in Congress and won re-election—before eventually resigning in 1982 after pleading guilty to tax evasion and drug possession. 5. Former Rep. John Young. The late Texas Democrat increased the salary of a staffer after she gave in to his sexual advances. The congressman won re-election in 1976 but lost two years later. 4. Former Rep. Wayne Hays. The late Ohio Democrat hired an unqualified secretary reportedly for sexual acts. Although he resigned from Congress, the Democratic House leadership stalled in removing him from the Administration Committee in 1976. 3. Former Rep. Gerry Studds. He was censured for sexual relationship with underage male page in 1983. Massachusetts voters returned him to office for six more terms. 2. Former Rep. Mel Reynolds. The Illinois Democrat was convicted of 12 counts of sexual assault with a 16-year-old. President Bill Clinton pardoned him before leaving office. 1. Sen. Teddy Kennedy. The liberal Massachusetts senator testified in defense of nephew accused of rape, invoking his family history to win over the jury in 1991. http://www.humanevents.com/lists.php?id=17357 link for sources"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #245 October 4, 2006 Yes I had a VERY interesting childhood...far too interesting ... from a father whos view of family values would land him in prision these days... but was accepted and covered up back then YEs I have a son who is 26... we seem to have survived those terrible teen years just fine..... and I am not a grandmother yet But thank you about making this all about me....making it personal seems to be the only way those on the far right can react to the world. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #246 October 4, 2006 Would you care to post a similar list of the Morality Party?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freakyrat 1 #247 October 4, 2006 Barney Frank's male hooker was of age. Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,112 #248 October 4, 2006 Quote The best law change we could have is make truth in advertising apply to political adds and overturn that decades old SC ruling that turned these scum bags loose to begin with. But that would shut down "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth(sic)"... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #249 October 4, 2006 QuoteBarney Frank's male hooker was of age. Chris According to DC and Lousiana law, so was the page, evidently. Disclaimer: age of consent, not age of legal majority.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #250 October 4, 2006 QuoteQuote The best law change we could have is make truth in advertising apply to political adds and overturn that decades old SC ruling that turned these scum bags loose to begin with. But that would shut down "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth(sic)" And moveon, commondreams, etc etc etcMike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
