Mark Foley

[billvon 3,080]

>Well the story is that the things he knew about where weird, but
>not at the level of the things we now know.

Agreed.

>If the Republicans knew and tried to keep it quiet. Shame on them.

They certainly tried to keep the initial reports quiet - and that certainly led to him later making more egregious violations of the page's trust. But whether or not the initial reports were bad enough to be a serious red flag remains to be seen.

As I've said before, I think the best outcome would be to investigate who knew what when, release the results of the investigation, and let voters decide whether they want these people (on either side of the aisle) to keep their jobs.

[billvon 3,080]

>You seem very quick to assume only repubs knew.

They have admitted to it, which makes it more likely that republicans knew. Perhaps some democrats did know - but none have admitted it, there is no evidence any did, and no one is claiming they did.

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>If the Republicans knew and tried to keep it quiet. Shame on them.

They certainly tried to keep the initial reports quiet - and that certainly led to him later making more egregious violations of the page's trust. But whether or not the initial reports were bad enough to be a serious red flag remains to be seen.

And your opinion if the Democrats waited for a more powerful political effect?

[billvon 3,080]

>And your opinion if the Democrats waited for a more powerful political effect?

Same as my opinion on the republican cover-up (if there was one.) Investigate who knew what when, release the results of the investigation, and let voters decide whether they want these people (on either side of the aisle) to keep their jobs.

[kallend 2,113]

It is a sign of desperation the way the right is trying to deflect blame for Foley's actions onto the Democrats, without a shred of evidence of any complicity. Rather like the way they were SURE that Iraq had WMDs.

The GOP leadership has ADMITTED that it had knowledge and did NOTHING.

GOP = God's Own Pedophiles

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It is a sign of desperation the way the right is trying to deflect blame for Foley's actions onto the Democrats, without a shred of evidence of any complicity. Rather like the way they were SURE that Iraq had WMDs.

The GOP leadership has ADMITTED that it had knowledge and did NOTHING.

GOP = God's Own Pedophiles

The GOP has been desperately relegated to the defense of, "We're scum but so are they" for quite a while now. I pointed out another time they did it very recently.

I guess it beats having to actually defend your actions based upon teh merits of those actions.

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Perhaps some democrats did know - but none have admitted it, there is no evidence any did, and no one is claiming they did.

I think someone on the SC knows more about the Dems than they are willing to say, but they are saving it for a politically opportune moment.

Which will only encourage them to worsen their behavior until ultimately confronted, hopefully right here in the SC.

My advice is to do what your parents did; get a job, sir. The bums will always lose. Do you hear me, Lebowski?

[sundevil777 102]

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It is a sign of desperation the way the right is trying to deflect blame for Foley's actions onto the Democrats, without a shred of evidence of any complicity. Rather like the way they were SURE that Iraq had WMDs.

The GOP leadership has ADMITTED that it had knowledge and did NOTHING.

GOP = God's Own Pedophiles

Do you think the dems knew anything about Foley? All the talk was how it was sorta common knowledge maybe?

In what way did repubs try to deflect blame?

When dems start demanding resignations for anyone that 'knew', then it is reasonable to remind them what they have overlooked, but knew about, in the past.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

[rushmc 23]

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>You seem very quick to assume only repubs knew.

They have admitted to it, which makes it more likely that republicans knew. Perhaps some democrats did know - but none have admitted it, there is no evidence any did, and no one is claiming they did.

There is also no evidence that the Repubs new anything about the IMs either. But you don't want to hear that do you

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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[rushmc 23]

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It is a sign of desperation the way the right is trying to deflect blame for Foley's actions onto the Democrats, without a shred of evidence of any complicity. Rather like the way they were SURE that Iraq had WMDs.

The GOP leadership has ADMITTED that it had knowledge and did NOTHING.

GOP = God's Own Pedophiles

The GOP has been desperately relegated to the defense of, "We're scum but so are they" for quite a while now. I pointed out another time they did it very recently.

I guess it beats having to actually defend your actions based upon teh merits of those actions.

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I needed that

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Looks like he is an alcoholic, gay, pedophile (depending on your definition of pedophile)

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The definition of pedophile isn't subjective. It's an attraction to pre-pubescent youths. What you or anyone else choose to think it means isn't relevant, the actual definition is.

I'm probably going to stir up some shit here, but it's the MO of the homosexual community. They target the ignorant, the innocent, and those who are emotionally weak. They cajole and coerce.

I saw this back in '71, when I was 17, and apparently, it hasn't changed.

He wasn't targeting a 35 yr. old man.

If the homosexual community were honest, they would admit that this is SOP.

[kallend 2,113]

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In what way did repubs try to deflect blame?

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Have you READ this thread?

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[ryoder 1,590]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6BKR4cTmAg

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

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Pretty confusing. On one hand he pushes for stronger legislation to protect children and on the other he is exactly what he wants to protect children from.

Fucking scumbag.

[sundevil777 102]

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In what way did repubs try to deflect blame?

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Have you READ this thread?

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Deflecting blame is different than reminding how dems have overlooked statutory rape within their members of congress. It is called selective moral outrage.

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[billvon 3,080]

>Deflecting blame is different than reminding how dems have overlooked
>statutory rape within their members of congress.

When did that happen? The only case I know of is the Stubbs/Crane case; both were censured, which is pretty expressly NOT overlooking it.

[sundevil777 102]

A censure! That is like after school detention, although not quite as severe as a 3 day suspension where your grade suffers because don't get to make up the assignments.

How's that analogy for you?

But, what is this I hear about how 3 newspapers in Florida had the first emails? They found them to be unusual, but not newsworthy. Only those original emails were what Hastert and others admitted to knowing.

All of this selective moral outrage, "they admitted they knew and did nothing..."

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

[mnealtx 0]

And, to throw some further curveballs into the game....

Evidently the young man in question, while not of the age of majority, WAS over the age of consent for the District of Columbia (16 yrs old)....

As I said up-thread... I find the timing suspicious on the release of the IM logs...

Yeesh... what a muddle!!

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And, to throw some further curveballs into the game....

Evidently the young man in question, while not of the age of majority, WAS over the age of consent for the District of Columbia (16 yrs old)....

As I said up-thread... I find the timing suspicious on the release of the IM logs...

Yeesh... what a muddle!!

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Evidently the young man in question, while not of the age of majority, WAS over the age of consent for the District of Columbia (16 yrs old)....

That settles it, it's not creepy at all

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As I said up-thread... I find the timing suspicious on the release of the IM logs...

As well as the lowering gas prices too. That's politics. As for the actual act, it's creepy regardless of the politics involved.

[mrGuy 0]

I think the whole mess is just sick. I'm a Conservative...in Massachusetts...which makes me a pariah of sorts. But I'm sick of the entire lot of them.

It does seem like the Dems get away with sicko stuff a lot more, though. Studds? way sicko!! F*cking little boys and committing crimes...and gets re-elected from Cape Cod....Barney Frank: a discusting perv...and is treated like a saint by the Boston Dems....Ted Kenedy? give me a brake. Clinton? 'nuff said.

So it's stupid for Dems to ack like sickos aren't all over their party. Foley should be treated like the others SHOULD have been treated. Badly.

[kallend 2,113]

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There IS a cure!

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[rushmc 23]

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Here's an irony:

Dennis Hastert, the Speaker of the House, was informed of Foley's inappropriate emails/electronic messages about a year ago and took no definitive action.

The top news item on Hastert's website:

Hastert Drives Effort to 'Keep Kids Safe in Cyberspace' (8/29/2006)

No here is the dam irony.

This same stupid paper printed that Stubbs should still be able to lead as his sexual actions did not affect anything. Now they call for Hasert to resign!!~!

But we all know the media has no agenda.

Give me a break

http://washingtontimes.com/op-ed/20061002-102008-9058r.htm

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

Hey kallend, this is from

NEWS MAX and it is right on (your) hot button

By the NewsMax.com Staff
For the story behind the story...


Monday, Oct. 2, 2006 10:21 p.m. EDT
Dems Hypocrites on Sex Scandals

While they react with fury over the scandal involving former Rep. Mark Foley, Democrats maintain a discreet silence over the numerous sex scandals that have rocked their own party.

And unlike Republican scandals like Foley's, where shame and resignation were the outcome, the Democrats' shameful behavior were either blithely ignored or jocularly accepted.

For example, former Chicago Democratic Congressman Mel Reynolds received a commutation of his six-and-a-half-year federal sentence for 15 convictions of wire fraud, bank fraud and lies to the Federal Election Commission. He also was convicted of having sex with an an underage campaign volunteer. But Jesse Jackson added Reynolds to Rainbow/PUSH Coalition's payroll.

Moreover, Reynolds was among the 176 criminals excused in President Clinton's last-minute pardon spree.

As Deroy Murdock, a columnist for Scripps Howard News Service, wrote back in 2002: "This is a first in American politics: An ex-congressman who had sex with a subordinate, won clemency from a president who had sex with a subordinate, then was hired by a clergyman who had sex with a subordinate. His new job? ... Youth counselor

Of course, Murdock's "president" reference was to Clinton, who admitted to inappropriate sexual behavior with White House intern Monica Lewinsky; the "clergyman" was Jackson, who also had an affair with a former Rainbow/PUSH Coalition aide.

After receiving Clinton's pardon, Reynolds became a consultant for the Rainbow/PUSH Coalition on prison reform. He was employed as the community development director of Salem Baptist Church in Chicago.

More notorious was the case of Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., In 1989, male prostitute Stephen L. Gobie admitted that Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., knew that Gobie had operated a prostitution service out of Frank's Capitol Hill apartment. Frank, an openly gay member of Congress, confirmed that he had Gobie as a roommate in his apartment. Frank said he fired Gobie when he learned that clients were visiting his apartment.

Was Frank told by the Democratic leadership to resign his seat as Foley was forced to do?

Not at all. That was 17 years ago, and he is still a member of Congress, a respected member of the Democratic minority and is slated to assume the chairmanship of a key House committee should the Democrats recapture control of the House.


When former Rep. Gerry Studds admitted having sex with a teenage page, nobody in the Democratic leadership demanded he resign, nor did he offer to resign. He had a joint press conference with the boy and bragged about their affair. He was renominated by the Democrats and re-elected six times before retiring.

As Rush Limbaugh noted Monday, "The truth is that the people on the left who are acting all outraged and stunned and angry, they don't see what Clinton or Barney Frank or Gerry Studds did as repugnant. In fact, they view those things as private matters that didn't affect anybody's work, and it's nobody's business what somebody does with their private life, particularly when it comes to sex."

Unless it involves a Republican. Then it's a matter of outrage and hypocrisy.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[sundevil777 102]

Selective moral outrage.

Studds even got 3 standing ovations from his party members in congress, I guess their way of complimenting him for 'being tough - sticking it out' or something like that.

I'm looking forward to the microphones in Jesse Jackson's face asking him when he will fire the pedophile.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

[rushmc 23]

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Selective moral outrage.

Studds even got 3 standing ovations from his party members in congress, I guess their way of complimenting him for 'being tough - sticking it out' or something like that.

First, before billvon puts words in my mouth Foley is scum and will get what he has coming to him.

This one is going to be fun to watch. The selective aoutrage is a political hit job at worst (but Foley is still scum) but, if as some reports are starting to sugest, that some dem operatives had the IM's for over two years this one is going to backfire like nothing we have ever seen. Still has to play out, still may not be the case but one has to wonder.

Please stay tuned.......

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln