Mark Foley

[Gawain 0]

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He knew about it

According to who?

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

[Gravitymaster 0]

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>Apparently, your "no holds barred and consequences be damned if it
>gets one more House seat" mentality are out of alignment with mine.

More like "no holds barred if someone goes after my kids." I don't really care who takes over his seat as long as he has better judgement than Foley (and, of course, is not a criminal.) I'm suprised you have a different take on it.

I don't have a different take up to this point. My concern is that his name gets out, which admittedly it hasn't up till now.

[rushmc 23]

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>Why is it different today?

?? It's not. They both pled guilty to the crime. They both could have resigned if they so chose. They did not. One of them lost their bid for re-election; the other did not.

Despite Gravitymaster's vitriol, it was Foley who resigned - it was not democrats who 'pushed him out.' Indeed, if anything could have forced him to resign, it was the GOP's ethics rule (passed in 1993) that require indicted representatives to step down.

This scandal is purely GOP in its making. They declined to publically mention it in 2003 and 2005 when the issues first came up; they are now living with what one of their own has done.

No arguments from me. But it is nice to see who has the higher standards.
Oh, and "they" will turn out to be Democrats IMO. They endangered children for a political point. If that is the case who is really the scum?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,111]

>I don't have a different take up to this point.

Fair enough.

>My concern is that his name gets out, which admittedly it hasn't up till now.

I agree, and I hope his name is not released (unless the victim/their family is OK with it, of course.)

[kallend 2,146]

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It can (and has to this point to my knowledge) be done without the minor being named.

Are you the one that thinks it's ok to jack off while IM'ing a 16YO?

No, he just parrots Ann Coulter, that whenever a Republican hypocrite gets egg on his face it's actually a Democrat at fault.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[Gravitymaster 0]

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>I'd admonish Repubs. for using it for political gain by exploiting a young man.

You would really protect the identity of a rapist? Wow. I think such people give up their right to privacy (and public office) when they do such things.

I don't really think you'd do that. I think you've argued yourself into a corner; perhaps it's time to stop digging?

Since you've resorted to your usual tactic of mischaracterizing what I have said, I'm done. Have a great day.

[kallend 2,146]

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>Why is it different today?

?? It's not. They both pled guilty to the crime. They both could have resigned if they so chose. They did not. One of them lost their bid for re-election; the other did not.

Despite Gravitymaster's vitriol, it was Foley who resigned - it was not democrats who 'pushed him out.' Indeed, if anything could have forced him to resign, it was the GOP's ethics rule (passed in 1993) that require indicted representatives to step down.

This scandal is purely GOP in its making. They declined to publically mention it in 2003 and 2005 when the issues first came up; they are now living with what one of their own has done.

No arguments from me. But it is nice to see who has the higher standards.
Oh, and "they" will turn out to be Democrats IMO. They endangered children for a political point. If that is the care who is really the scum?

AHEM. It was Republican Foley that endangered children.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[rushmc 23]

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It can (and has to this point to my knowledge) be done without the minor being named.

Are you the one that thinks it's ok to jack off while IM'ing a 16YO?

No, he just parrots Ann Coulter, that whenever a Republican hypocrite gets egg on his face it's actually a Democrat at fault.

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Looking the mirior again I see!

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Gravitymaster 0]

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It can (and has to this point to my knowledge) be done without the minor being named.

Are you the one that thinks it's ok to jack off while IM'ing a 16YO?

No, he just parrots Ann Coulter, that whenever a Republican hypocrite gets egg on his face it's actually a Democrat at fault.

It's so funny to hear you talk about someone else parroting.

[billvon 3,111]

>Oh, and "they" will turn out to be Democrats IMO. They
>endangered children for a political point.

Uh, Foley was a republican.

[sundevil777 102]

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Since you've resorted to your usual tactic of mischaracterizing what I have said, I'm done.

Not only that, but he also predicted what you were going to say.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

[rushmc 23]

If, I am I mean if, these IM documents were in someones hands for three years, held on until a good political time, then they are as much scum as Foley.


You all need to get a towel and wipe the drool from your faces and wait until the facts come out.

But that is no fun huh?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[sundevil777 102]

The "they" will likely be dems and repubs, I think.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

[rushmc 23]

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>Oh, and "they" will turn out to be Democrats IMO. They
>endangered children for a political point.

Uh, Foley was a republican.

NO shit dick tracey.

Do you think a Republican would hold docs for three years only to release them now???

I am going to have fun watching this one play out.....

Oh, and Foley still deserves what he has coming to him!!

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,111]

>NO shit dick tracey.

Well, there ya go! So Dick Tracy, you and I agree that it was Foley.

>Do you think a Republican would hold docs for three years
>only to release them now?

Nope. They'd hope that it was never released - whereas a democrat would use them for fodder in the big 2004 elections (if they had those documents of course.)

[rushmc 23]

whereas a democrat would use them for fodder in the big 2004 elections (if they had those documents of course.)

[billvon 3,111]

>And in the course of doing so endagered children for a politcal gotcha.

Which children were endangered by anyone other than Foley?

>Who would be the scum in this case?

Foley.

[rushmc 23]

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>And in the course of doing so endagered children for a politcal gotcha.

Which children were endangered by anyone other than Foley?

>Who would be the scum in this case?

Foley.

Nicely avoided

I guess the ends justify the means.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

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>And in the course of doing so endagered children for a politcal gotcha.

Which children were endangered by anyone other than Foley?

>Who would be the scum in this case?

Foley.

But maybe I have to spell it out for you though.

Lets make it close to home.

You find documentation in 2003 that I am abusing children. You know I am up for election in 2006 so you hold on to the docs until such time as you can get the max impact from the releas of those documents.

Are you a crook?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,111]

>I guess the ends justify the means.

What "means?" You keep saying "kids were endangered." Who, other than Foley, endangered which kids?

This is turning into one of those "but what about the CHILDREN? Please, won't someone think of the CHILDREN!" conversations.

[rushmc 23]

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>I guess the ends justify the means.

What "means?" You keep saying "kids were endangered." Who, other than Foley, endangered which kids?

This is turning into one of those "but what about the CHILDREN? Please, won't someone think of the CHILDREN!" conversations.

By the SOB who had the docs three years ago and allowed Foley to keep on being scum with pages!! If those same docs had been relased three years ago then he would have been stopped three years ago!!!

And all for a polital gotcha?

You alright with that?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[EricTheRed 0]

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>And in the course of doing so endagered children for a politcal gotcha.

Which children were endangered by anyone other than Foley?

>Who would be the scum in this case?

Foley.

But maybe I have to spell it out for you though.

Lets make it close to home.

You find documentation in 2003 that I am abusing children. You know I am up for election in 2006 so you hold on to the docs until such time as you can get the max impact from the releas of those documents.

Are you a crook?

YES.

(edit to add: I am not actually a crook, but agree that one that withholds evidence of a felony crime, is himself a criminal)

illegible usually

[billvon 3,111]

>By the SOB who had the docs three years ago alowing Foley to keep
>on being scum with pages!!

You mean Hastert, Reynolds, Alexander, Shimkus and Boehner? They are the only people in the House who have admitted to having information concerning Foley's indiscretions before he resigned.

Or do you mean the people who actually turned over the records of the emails/IM's? Those were the pages themselves; they turned over the records to a blog entitled "Stop Sex Predators." (Surely you are not calling the pages scum!)

[DaVinci 0]

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Dennis Hastert, the Speaker of the House, was informed of Foley's inappropriate emails/electronic messages about a year ago and took no definitive action.

Well the story is that the things he knew about where weird, but not at the level of the things we now know. This jerk should face time. I would be interested to know who, knew what, when. If the Republicans knew and tried to keep it quiet. Shame on them. If the Democrats knew and waited till it would do more damage for political reasons, shame on them. In truth, it is possibly both. Either way this guy (asshat) should go to jail.

[sundevil777 102]

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>By the SOB who had the docs three years ago alowing Foley to keep
>on being scum with pages!!

You mean Hastert, Reynolds, Alexander, Shimkus and Boehner? They are the only people in the House who have admitted to having information concerning Foley's indiscretions before he resigned.

Or do you mean the people who actually turned over the records of the emails/IM's? Those were the pages themselves; they turned over the records to a blog entitled "Stop Sex Predators." (Surely you are not calling the pages scum!)

You seem very quick to assume only repubs knew.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am