Senator Responds to CNN Hit Piece On Global Warming

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From the NRC web page...

"....But it is not known how much of the temperature rise to date is the result of human activities, the report says. Climate models do not adequately represent all the processes that contribute to variability of the climate system."

Interesting.

And not the same as saying NONE of the change comes from human activities.

It doesn't rule it out. If it is not known then is could be insignificant.
Note that they are referring to all human activities and not just CO2 emissions.

Dave

Fallschirmsport Marl

[billvon 3,116]

>If it is not known then is could be insignificant.

It's commonly agreed (in scientific, not political, circles) that we are having a significant effect on the climate; whether we are responsible for 87% or 98% of the total change (or even 110%) is still not known. As time passes we get closer and closer to an accurate number - but the number we are closing in on is definitely not 0.

[kallend 2,148]

www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-2428781,00.html

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[rushmc 23]

Saw it, there is also an article from over there that is warning the British of major (and very large) tax increases on gas and other energy to "combat" it.

Just make me more confident of my position

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kallend 2,148]

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Saw it, there is also an article from over there that is warning the British of major (and very large) tax increases on gas and other energy to "combat" it.

Just make me more confident of my position

Yes, but you look a bit foolish with your head stuck in the sand.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[rushmc 23]

There may be heads in the sand........but I don't believe it is mine.

By the way, I didn't think you liked Blair or gave much credance to what he says seeing he is a Bush supporter.??

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,116]

>Saw it, there is also an article from over there that is warning the
> British of major (and very large) tax increases on gas and other
> energy to "combat" it.

How much would you pay to not lose your house in a hurricane? How about losing your crop, if you're a farmer? Or avoiding a future Katrina? Or surviving another 5 years?

We are already seeing the first effects of climate change in increased storm intensity, rising sea levels, melting permafrost, dying forests and changed growing seasons. The question is no longer "is there a cost to be paid?" The question is now - how do you want to pay for it? Billions now, or trillions later? Sadly, knowing our country's spending habits, there's really no question which road they will take unless we get some smarter politicians in power.

We may be the last generation who can do anything about global warming; soon the positive feedback of released methane and the effects of dying/burning forests may take the matter out of our hands. Our kids and their grandkids will be the ones who benefit from our good judgement, or pay for our mistakes. To parapharase someone else:

With the distance of history, the questions will be narrowed and few. Did this generation of Americans take the threat seriously, and did we do what it takes to defeat that threat? Or did we take the easy way out, and pray that our children will willingly handle the burden we've placed on them?

[rushmc 23]

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>Saw it, there is also an article from over there that is warning the
> British of major (and very large) tax increases on gas and other
> energy to "combat" it.

How much would you pay to not lose your house in a hurricane? How about losing your crop, if you're a farmer? Or avoiding a future Katrina? Or surviving another 5 years?

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Much if it would make a difference but it will not. This is a political way to start the process to collect money globally. As for the current warning trend. Nothing man is doing or can do about it.

We are already seeing the first effects of climate change in increased storm intensity, rising sea levels, melting permafrost, dying forests and changed growing seasons. The question is no longer "is there a cost to be paid?" The question is now - how do you want to pay for it? Billions now, or trillions later? Sadly, knowing our country's spending habits, there's really no question which road they will take unless we get some smarter politicians in power.

This is crap. Once again, things change on this planet and they always will. There is not a concensuse amont reasearches as the heated debate in Colorado this weekend proves.

We may be the last generation who can do anything about global warming; soon the positive feedback of released methane and the effects of dying/burning forests may take the matter out of our hands. Our kids and their grandkids will be the ones who benefit from our good judgement, or pay for our mistakes. To parapharase someone else:

With the distance of history, the questions will be narrowed and few. Did this generation of Americans take the threat seriously, and did we do what it takes to defeat that threat? Or did we take the easy way out, and pray that our children will willingly handle the burden we've placed on them?

Flawed at best. A new way to tax and remove liberty and choice at worst

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,116]

>Much if it would make a difference but it will not.

Well, there you go. Most scientists agree that it will. Since people are finally starting to listen to scientists over politicians on this issue, it's finally being addressed.

>This is a political way to start the process to collect money globally.
> As for the current warning trend. Nothing man is doing or can do
> about it.

Oh, there's plenty we could do. We could set off nuclear bombs in remote areas sufficient to hoist billions of tons of dust into the atmosphere; this would likely cause the same sort of cooling that volcanic aerosols do. Question is - is that a good idea? Probably not.

The future will see various ways of combating climate change debated, and hopefully we'll arrive at one of the better possible compromises.

>A new way to tax and remove liberty and choice at worst

Removing liberty is done directly nowadays, by passing laws that explicitly remove our rights.

Right now we are spending about $100 billion a year on a war we don't need, one that is killing 1000 americans a year and at least 15,000 innocent iraqis a year. We would be a pathetic country indeed if we were willing to spend that much to kill people, but not be willing to spend that much to save future generations from floods, fires and starvation.

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So how do you feel about your grandchildren living in a desert similar to the Sahara across the middle of this country...oh thats right it wont affect you so whats the point...

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Most scientists agree that it will.

Here is that bullshit blanket statment again.

Nice

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

Do you expect a reply to such a rediculsly framed question??

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Amazon 7]

Its only rediculous( spelled it your way) in your mind... answer the question ...cupcake..

[billvon 3,116]

>there is also an article from over there that is warning the British of
> major (and very large) tax increases on gas and other energy
> to "combat" it.

Personally I prefer the German approach. They simply told the energy industry it had to pay people four times as much for renewable energy they supplied into the system as for the energy they took out. No new taxes, no public subsidies, no new laws on consumers. No requirements for people to do anything at all - other than cash in if they wanted to.

Result - Germany now has a renewable-energy industry that has created 150,000 new jobs in the past four years. They've voluntarily installed 100,000 solar electric systems and had 300,000 germans sign up for renewable power. 80% of new buildings in Germany generate all their own power.

As a result of these efforts, Germany has reduced its emissions by 58 million tons of CO2 in 2005 alone.

Now, a program like this would never pass the current house/senate (there's no pork to be had, and the jobs will not be in any one senator's state!) but perhaps a future, more visionary government will.

[Amazon 7]

The Germans are just getting ready for the consequences
...hell maybe we can use solar up here in the future...
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines/122000-01.htm

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So about your earlier statement when you said that you don't believe man is the cause of global warming;

Let me just ask you this, this earth has exsisted for billions of years, all of a sudden man comes into play and the industries starts. (greenhouse effect)

Now, do you really believe that all of a sudden the earth is warming and we just happen to be in exsistence at the time or could there be some technology that MAY have an affect on or earth (cars, factories, etc)?

I mean do really think that? And if you do, what do you think is the cause of global warming?

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I love and Miss you so much Honey!
Orfun #3 ~ Darla

[rushmc 23]

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>there is also an article from over there that is warning the British of
> major (and very large) tax increases on gas and other energy
> to "combat" it.

Personally I prefer the German approach. They simply told the energy industry it had to pay people four times as much for renewable energy they supplied into the system as for the energy they took out. No new taxes, no public subsidies, no new laws on consumers. No requirements for people to do anything at all - other than cash in if they wanted to.

Result - Germany now has a renewable-energy industry that has created 150,000 new jobs in the past four years. They've voluntarily installed 100,000 solar electric systems and had 300,000 germans sign up for renewable power. 80% of new buildings in Germany generate all their own power.

As a result of these efforts, Germany has reduced its emissions by 58 million tons of CO2 in 2005 alone.

Now, a program like this would never pass the current house/senate (there's no pork to be had, and the jobs will not be in any one senator's state!) but perhaps a future, more visionary government will.

I got no problem with conservation and efficancy improvments. I have a problem being forced under false pretenses.

I also don't mind tax incentives. But then Bush would be said to be giving money to big oil..

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

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So about your earlier statement when you said that you don't believe man is the cause of global warming;

Let me just ask you this, this earth has exsisted for billions of years, all of a sudden man comes into play and the industries starts. (greenhouse effect)

Now, do you really believe that all of a sudden the earth is warming and we just happen to be in exsistence at the time or could there be some technology that MAY have an affect on or earth (cars, factories, etc)?

I mean do really think that? And if you do, what do you think is the cause of global warming?

Better check your facts. There is reasearch that says we have had hotter periods in our past. There are still many current highs that are yet to be beaten.

Also consider the fact that Mars is in a current heating cycle The suns activities are said to be doing that. Would we not see the same effect here?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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I also don't mind tax incentives. But then Bush would be said to be giving money to big oil..

They ARE giving big oil HUGE tax incentives/giveaways at a time when the BIG OIL is making record profits..DUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

http://www.econbrowser.com/archives/2005/10/oil_company_pro.html

ITS GOOD to have your best buddy in the white house.. and have ANY attempt to learn what sort of deals were cut with them by Cheney completely stymied...FUCKING CROOKS

[goofyjumper 0]

So we have had a hole in ozone layer before?

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I love and Miss you so much Honey!
Orfun #3 ~ Darla

[rushmc 23]

Some researchers believe so. There is research now that questions wheather man had anything to do with closing it or causing it now. But that is a whole different thread.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

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I also don't mind tax incentives. But then Bush would be said to be giving money to big oil..

They ARE giving big oil HUGE tax incentives/giveaways at a time when the BIG OIL is making record profits..DUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

http://www.econbrowser.com/archives/2005/10/oil_company_pro.html

ITS GOOD to have your best buddy in the white house.. and have ANY attempt to learn what sort of deals were cut with them by Cheney completely stymied...FUCKING CROOKS

One post and you are baaaaaaaccckkkkkkkk

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Amazon 7]

Go look in your mirror.. and be sure to have on Lush Rimjob while doing so.

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I also don't mind tax incentives. But then Bush would be said to be giving money to big oil..

They ARE giving big oil HUGE tax incentives/giveaways at a time when the BIG OIL is making record profits..DUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

http://www.econbrowser.com/archives/2005/10/oil_company_pro.html

ITS GOOD to have your best buddy in the white house.. and have ANY attempt to learn what sort of deals were cut with them by Cheney completely stymied...FUCKING CROOKS

Jeesh Amazon. ROVE ROVE ROVE. Bushes brain

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

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So we have had a hole in ozone layer before?

There is a big difference between the ozone hole and global warming in that there is no reasonable argument against human causes of the ozone hole depletion. While natural processes are utilized for ozone opening and healing, it's the presence of haloalkanes that are the catalyst.

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