Michele 1 #101 October 2, 2006 I'm getting here late...but I wanted to chime in and say that yes, Micro's children are simply wonderful; generous, fun, wise, interesting and interested, and without a doubt well socialized. As to the topic at hand, I feel badly for the teacher...I saw an interview with her the other day, and she mentioned that there was a local election coming up, with a bond measure that affected school funding. Apparently, the distraught parents decided to mention that they'd campaign against the bond measure unless some action was taken, and the action taken should be termination. The teacher in question has been teaching for many, many years (close to three decades), and from what I understand, the teacher had not been brought up on disciplinary action for this sort of thing before. Seems to me to be a retaliation from some parents towards a teacher, and I can only lay the responsibility on the parents... The school permission slips were signed. The museum has a website. I think that the teacher is blameless... As for it being only in Texas, as one poster seems to believe, I'll venture to say those sorts of parents are all over...and on both sides of the fence. Some got upset with school prayer; some with interractial/intergender schooling; some with interreligious education; some with Creationism/evolution...and the list goes on. And it goes on all over....not just Texas. So any tarring of an entire state for the actions of a few parents is plainly silly and not seeing the issue for what it is. Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #102 October 2, 2006 Quote As for it being only in Texas, as one poster seems to believe, I'll venture to say those sorts of parents are all over...and on both sides of the fence. Some got upset with school prayer; some with interractial/intergender schooling; some with interreligious education; some with Creationism/evolution...and the list goes on. And it goes on all over....not just Texas. So any tarring of an entire state for the actions of a few parents is plainly silly and not seeing the issue for what it is. Ciels- Michele It is clearly Bill Clinton's fault.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #103 October 2, 2006 It is clearly Bill Clinton's fault. Well....nudity is clearly sexual. Clinton got a blow job, which is also clearly sexual. Sexuality isn't necessarily immoral, but getting a blow job is. Clinton is from Arkansas, and Arkansas rubs up next to Texas in a clearly sexual way. We don't want immorality in our schools. Clinton is clearly to blame. linz-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #104 October 2, 2006 >Well....nudity is clearly sexual. Clinton got a blow job, which is >also clearly sexual. Sexuality isn't necessarily immoral, but getting a >blow job is. Clinton is from Arkansas, and Arkansas rubs up next to > Texas in a clearly sexual way. We don't want immorality in our > schools. Clinton is clearly to blame. Well, you can't say that yet. First we have to see if Clinton floats, in which case he weighs as much as a duck. (because ducks float too, of course.) If that's true, both the duck and Clinton must be witches, and must be forced to wear big red W's and eat only at Wiener-Schnitzel. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
micro 0 #105 October 2, 2006 Quote>Well....nudity is clearly sexual. Clinton got a blow job, which is >also clearly sexual. Sexuality isn't necessarily immoral, but getting a >blow job is. Clinton is from Arkansas, and Arkansas rubs up next to > Texas in a clearly sexual way. We don't want immorality in our > schools. Clinton is clearly to blame. Well, you can't say that yet. First we have to see if Clinton floats, in which case he weighs as much as a duck. (because ducks float too, of course.) If that's true, both the duck and Clinton must be BILLVON The truth of the matter has been revealed... It's BILLVON's FAULT!!!! I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites micro 0 #106 October 2, 2006 thank you michele, for the kind words about my children. I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,182 #107 October 2, 2006 Quotethank you michele, for the kind words about my children. Do you worry about your children seeing depictions of naked people in an art museum?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lisamariewillbe 1 #108 October 2, 2006 A good gravy floats as well.... how do you not know that Clinton is in fact a good gravy Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 3 #109 October 2, 2006 Quotethank you michele, for the kind words about my children. Knock it off; we all know you paid her $50. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,132 #110 October 2, 2006 >A good gravy floats as well.... Well, so do very small rocks and churches. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lisamariewillbe 1 #111 October 2, 2006 Quote >A good gravy floats as well.... Well, so do very small rocks and churches. ^rant^ Then how dare you accuse him of being a witch? As you stated yourself, the fact that he floats can be many many things..... you just cant go around accusing people of being witches without doing the proper weight tests. ^end rant^Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Michele 1 #112 October 2, 2006 QuoteKnock it off; we all know you paid her $50. Unlike some folks out there, my opinion (and my integrity) can't be bought. Especially for $50. (And no, I don't mean you, Andy...) Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites micro 0 #113 October 2, 2006 QuoteQuotethank you michele, for the kind words about my children. Do you worry about your children seeing depictions of naked people in an art museum? Not in the least, if it's true art and not pornography trying to pass as art. I don't think that Mapplethorpe's photography is art and consequently, I don't subject my children and their young impressionable minds to that garbage. As I stated earlier in this thread, my kids have been to the Vatican Museum as well as other art museums that had nude statues and nude paintings within them. We also have some works of art in our house that have nudity in them. We have always been open to these things and we have always incorporated the teaching of a healthy respect and admiration for the human body, especially for those parts that have to do w/ sexuality and the generative faculties of one's body. There is a very good documentary out that chronicles the restoration of the Sistine Chapel that occurred in the late 80's I believe, under the Pontificate of John Paul II. It addresses this whole issue of nudity in art and that it really isn't anything to fear or be ashamed of. However, it IS something that should be accompanied with proper instruction for young minds and we certainly do that, at least we strive to, as I have said. In that restoration, the Pope ordered that all of the loin clothes be removed that had been added to the nude frescoes that Michelangelo painted in the Last Judgement in the apse of the Sistine Chapel. Some time after that fresco had been completed, some church official, or perhaps even a Pope who had a corn cob up his caboose ordered loin cloths painted on the genitalia of the figures because he considered them "obscene." (As if God creates anything "obscene!" ) In fact, during the painting of The Last Judgement, Michelangelo himself came under criticism by one of the Cardinals for all of the nudity in the painting (which really isn't all that much, at least by today's standards anyway) and in retaliation, Michelangelo painted Minos, the gatekeeper to Hell from Dante's Inferno w/ the face of that Cardinal w/ a snake biting that man in the genitals. When the restoration in the '80's was taking place and the loin cloths were removed, they discovered this snake, chomping on Minos (the cardinal's) wee-wee, which, to me, is quite amusing. Anyway, to make a long story short John, we don't shy away from sex, from nudity, or from art - from TRUE art, that is. The human body is beautiful, as God created it, and we want our children to learn to see that beauty and cherish it for the gift that it is. I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,182 #114 October 2, 2006 Right - I thought your answer would be along those lines. I was in the Sistine Chapel about three days after it reopened following the restoration. Wonderful place.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites micro 0 #115 October 2, 2006 Quote Right - I thought your answer would be along those lines. I was in the Sistine Chapel about three days after it reopened following the restoration. Wonderful place. Your reply perplexes me a little... do you find it inconsistent w/ anything I've posted here or in other posts? I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,182 #116 October 3, 2006 QuoteQuote Right - I thought your answer would be along those lines. I was in the Sistine Chapel about three days after it reopened following the restoration. Wonderful place. Your reply perplexes me a little... do you find it inconsistent w/ anything I've posted here or in other posts? Not at all, that's why I thought your answer would be along those lines. I just cannot begin to imagine what those parents must be thinking... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,610 #117 October 3, 2006 QuoteQuote Right - I thought your answer would be along those lines. I was in the Sistine Chapel about three days after it reopened following the restoration. Wonderful place. Your reply perplexes me a little... do you find it inconsistent w/ anything I've posted here or in other posts? This is one of those times where you and Kallend (and me) are right on the same idea. Just go with the flow dude, it had to happen one of these daysDo you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites micro 0 #118 October 3, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuote Right - I thought your answer would be along those lines. I was in the Sistine Chapel about three days after it reopened following the restoration. Wonderful place. Your reply perplexes me a little... do you find it inconsistent w/ anything I've posted here or in other posts? Not at all, that's why I thought your answer would be along those lines. I just cannot begin to imagine what those parents must be thinking I can't either... while I don't ever want to stifle the ability of parents to protest what their kids are taught or subjected to, being a parent myself, I can't for the life of me understand why they would be getting their panties in such a wad. Billvon's post made so much sense to me... do these parents write letters of protest to the billboard advertisers for the scantily (sp?) clad men and women who are pimpin the latest product/TV shows/movies? Do they turn over every magazine cover in the newstand at the grocery store so their kids don't see the latest edition of cosmo? Do they subject their kids to the racey commercials or "soft-core" programming that is the norm during prime-time hours? I don't want to assume they do, but you have to wonder if there is any consistency among the protest they have levelled about a work of ART! I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,182 #119 October 3, 2006 More really important stuff for schools to worry about.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites crwtom 0 #120 October 5, 2006 Quote 3 R's? Ritalin, Rubifen, Red Bull Cheers, T ******************************************************************* Fear causes hesitation, and hesitation will cause your worst fears to come true Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites popsjumper 2 #121 October 6, 2006 ...No...just 5th grade art teachers.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 Next Page 5 of 5 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. 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micro 0 #106 October 2, 2006 thank you michele, for the kind words about my children. I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #107 October 2, 2006 Quotethank you michele, for the kind words about my children. Do you worry about your children seeing depictions of naked people in an art museum?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisamariewillbe 1 #108 October 2, 2006 A good gravy floats as well.... how do you not know that Clinton is in fact a good gravy Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 3 #109 October 2, 2006 Quotethank you michele, for the kind words about my children. Knock it off; we all know you paid her $50. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #110 October 2, 2006 >A good gravy floats as well.... Well, so do very small rocks and churches. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisamariewillbe 1 #111 October 2, 2006 Quote >A good gravy floats as well.... Well, so do very small rocks and churches. ^rant^ Then how dare you accuse him of being a witch? As you stated yourself, the fact that he floats can be many many things..... you just cant go around accusing people of being witches without doing the proper weight tests. ^end rant^Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #112 October 2, 2006 QuoteKnock it off; we all know you paid her $50. Unlike some folks out there, my opinion (and my integrity) can't be bought. Especially for $50. (And no, I don't mean you, Andy...) Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
micro 0 #113 October 2, 2006 QuoteQuotethank you michele, for the kind words about my children. Do you worry about your children seeing depictions of naked people in an art museum? Not in the least, if it's true art and not pornography trying to pass as art. I don't think that Mapplethorpe's photography is art and consequently, I don't subject my children and their young impressionable minds to that garbage. As I stated earlier in this thread, my kids have been to the Vatican Museum as well as other art museums that had nude statues and nude paintings within them. We also have some works of art in our house that have nudity in them. We have always been open to these things and we have always incorporated the teaching of a healthy respect and admiration for the human body, especially for those parts that have to do w/ sexuality and the generative faculties of one's body. There is a very good documentary out that chronicles the restoration of the Sistine Chapel that occurred in the late 80's I believe, under the Pontificate of John Paul II. It addresses this whole issue of nudity in art and that it really isn't anything to fear or be ashamed of. However, it IS something that should be accompanied with proper instruction for young minds and we certainly do that, at least we strive to, as I have said. In that restoration, the Pope ordered that all of the loin clothes be removed that had been added to the nude frescoes that Michelangelo painted in the Last Judgement in the apse of the Sistine Chapel. Some time after that fresco had been completed, some church official, or perhaps even a Pope who had a corn cob up his caboose ordered loin cloths painted on the genitalia of the figures because he considered them "obscene." (As if God creates anything "obscene!" ) In fact, during the painting of The Last Judgement, Michelangelo himself came under criticism by one of the Cardinals for all of the nudity in the painting (which really isn't all that much, at least by today's standards anyway) and in retaliation, Michelangelo painted Minos, the gatekeeper to Hell from Dante's Inferno w/ the face of that Cardinal w/ a snake biting that man in the genitals. When the restoration in the '80's was taking place and the loin cloths were removed, they discovered this snake, chomping on Minos (the cardinal's) wee-wee, which, to me, is quite amusing. Anyway, to make a long story short John, we don't shy away from sex, from nudity, or from art - from TRUE art, that is. The human body is beautiful, as God created it, and we want our children to learn to see that beauty and cherish it for the gift that it is. I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #114 October 2, 2006 Right - I thought your answer would be along those lines. I was in the Sistine Chapel about three days after it reopened following the restoration. Wonderful place.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
micro 0 #115 October 2, 2006 Quote Right - I thought your answer would be along those lines. I was in the Sistine Chapel about three days after it reopened following the restoration. Wonderful place. Your reply perplexes me a little... do you find it inconsistent w/ anything I've posted here or in other posts? I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #116 October 3, 2006 QuoteQuote Right - I thought your answer would be along those lines. I was in the Sistine Chapel about three days after it reopened following the restoration. Wonderful place. Your reply perplexes me a little... do you find it inconsistent w/ anything I've posted here or in other posts? Not at all, that's why I thought your answer would be along those lines. I just cannot begin to imagine what those parents must be thinking... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,610 #117 October 3, 2006 QuoteQuote Right - I thought your answer would be along those lines. I was in the Sistine Chapel about three days after it reopened following the restoration. Wonderful place. Your reply perplexes me a little... do you find it inconsistent w/ anything I've posted here or in other posts? This is one of those times where you and Kallend (and me) are right on the same idea. Just go with the flow dude, it had to happen one of these daysDo you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
micro 0 #118 October 3, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuote Right - I thought your answer would be along those lines. I was in the Sistine Chapel about three days after it reopened following the restoration. Wonderful place. Your reply perplexes me a little... do you find it inconsistent w/ anything I've posted here or in other posts? Not at all, that's why I thought your answer would be along those lines. I just cannot begin to imagine what those parents must be thinking I can't either... while I don't ever want to stifle the ability of parents to protest what their kids are taught or subjected to, being a parent myself, I can't for the life of me understand why they would be getting their panties in such a wad. Billvon's post made so much sense to me... do these parents write letters of protest to the billboard advertisers for the scantily (sp?) clad men and women who are pimpin the latest product/TV shows/movies? Do they turn over every magazine cover in the newstand at the grocery store so their kids don't see the latest edition of cosmo? Do they subject their kids to the racey commercials or "soft-core" programming that is the norm during prime-time hours? I don't want to assume they do, but you have to wonder if there is any consistency among the protest they have levelled about a work of ART! I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #119 October 3, 2006 More really important stuff for schools to worry about.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crwtom 0 #120 October 5, 2006 Quote 3 R's? Ritalin, Rubifen, Red Bull Cheers, T ******************************************************************* Fear causes hesitation, and hesitation will cause your worst fears to come true Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #121 October 6, 2006 ...No...just 5th grade art teachers.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
