Sockpuppet 0 #1 September 26, 2006 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/5380118.stm Anyone else get the feeling when these people are out of the news for a while and donations drop they make some shit up to get back into the news. They dont want police in the UK to have taser guns as they are "dangerous". Well they are only used by firearms police. So would they rather they used the real mp5 or revolver they have with them instead? Trust me. In the UK you have to do something pretty stupid to attract the attention of armed police. Its not like we have them lurking around every corner. ------ Two of the three voices in my head agree with you. It might actually be unanimous but voice three only speaks Welsh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #2 September 26, 2006 QuoteTrust me. Like the guy shot 5 times in the head on a London tube trusted you? The Apartheid government in South Africa was also very against Amnesty International. tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #3 September 26, 2006 A costable once asked me if I had a pistol on me, I didn't his reply? Bloody hell I wish you did, I could use the help. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sockpuppet 0 #4 September 26, 2006 QuoteQuoteTrust me. Like the guy shot 5 times in the head on a London tube trusted you? The Apartheid government in South Africa was also very against Amnesty International. That was almost darwinian. Would you have ran from police towards a train teh day after a bombing? Not the worlds best decision. ------ Two of the three voices in my head agree with you. It might actually be unanimous but voice three only speaks Welsh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rasmack 0 #5 September 26, 2006 QuoteThat was almost darwinian. Would you have ran from police towards a train teh day after a bombing? Not the worlds best decision. If we shot all stupid people in the head the world would be a rather lonely place...HF #682, Team Dirty Sanchez #227 “I simply hate, detest, loathe, despise, and abhor redundancy.” - Not quite Oscar Wilde... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
unformed 0 #6 September 26, 2006 and we wouldn't have anynone to run our governments.This ad space for sale. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rasmack 0 #7 September 26, 2006 ... or publish newspapers. HF #682, Team Dirty Sanchez #227 “I simply hate, detest, loathe, despise, and abhor redundancy.” - Not quite Oscar Wilde... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #8 September 26, 2006 Quote They dont want police in the UK to have taser guns as they are "dangerous". Well they are only used by firearms police. So would they rather they used the real mp5 or revolver they have with them instead? when a cop fires his mp5, he knows its lethal force. When he uses a taser, he presumes it is non lethal and will just incapacitate the suspect. It's no longer clear that this is true, and you may not know that AI is opposed to even diliberate death sentences, nevermind untentional killings. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Richards 0 #9 September 26, 2006 I realise that these can kill but they still do not have the lethality of a real firearm. I would rather allow cops the opportunity to use a significantly less lethal means of force when they feel threatened, than leave them with only the firearm in that situation. If one of my family members had a mental disorder and they flew off with a knife or a club and threatened a cop, I would want the officer to have the means to protect himself without having to resort to shooting, even if that method did have a minor risk of fatality. It would beat seeing that person bleeding from multiple gunshot wounds. Richards My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dorbie 0 #10 September 26, 2006 QuoteQuoteThat was almost darwinian. Would you have ran from police towards a train teh day after a bombing? Not the worlds best decision. If we shot all stupid people in the head the world would be a rather lonely place... He was shot because of the circumstances and his actions, not his intelligence. That was merely one factor that contributed to his actions. If you're going to do a spectacularly foolish thing at the wrong time under the wrong circumstances you may be unfortunate enough to be shot. The way I see it that guy was as much a victim of the bombers as anyone else, when you hide as civilians and carry explosives you can set off in an instant you don't leave a lot of wiggle room for armed men approaching a suspect who won't obey instructions who with hindsight turns out to be innocent. That doesn't mean that trolls making mention of inherently racist regimes in the same sentence are right. They might want to reconsider riding the London tube though if that's what passes for rational thought. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sockpuppet 0 #11 September 26, 2006 QuoteQuote They dont want police in the UK to have taser guns as they are "dangerous". Well they are only used by firearms police. So would they rather they used the real mp5 or revolver they have with them instead? when a cop fires his mp5, he knows its lethal force. When he uses a taser, he presumes it is non lethal and will just incapacitate the suspect. It's no longer clear that this is true, and you may not know that AI is opposed to even diliberate death sentences, nevermind untentional killings. I never said I wanted capital punishment. Just saying that AI are lording it up over Tasers benig bad. As pointed out they are a lot better than a hollow point to the chest. but ai say no. Maybe we should just offer all crims a hug? ------ Two of the three voices in my head agree with you. It might actually be unanimous but voice three only speaks Welsh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,593 #12 September 26, 2006 QuoteThat was almost darwinian. Would you have ran from police towards a train teh day after a bombing? Not the worlds best decision. Dude!! We have been through this before He paid for his ticket, walked onto the train and sat down like a completely normal person. Then he got shot in the head by police officers who mistakenly thought they had been trailing a known terror suspect. De Menezez did nothing wrong. Please, please stop quoting the preliminary news reports that were shown to be mistaken as more facts came to lightDo you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,593 #13 September 26, 2006 QuoteWell they are only used by firearms police. So would they rather they used the real mp5 or revolver they have with them instead? I refer you to the third paragraph of the report QuoteBut Amnesty International described requests for all police officers in Scotland to be issued with Tasers as "a proposal we find alarming". It is the prospect of widespread use by non-firearms officers Amnesty is protesting about.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #14 September 26, 2006 Quote I never said I wanted capital punishment. Just saying that AI are lording it up over Tasers benig bad. As pointed out they are a lot better than a hollow point to the chest. but ai say no. Maybe we should just offer all crims a hug? Don't miss the point. If tasers can't be relied upon to not kill the suspect, they can't be used as an alternative to guns. Or they can only be used in situations where lethal force is justified. This isn't how tasers (and rubber bullets for that matter) are sold. They're marketed as non lethal that can be used whenever the police feel harried, without the risk of killing. And they just don't deliver on this promise. The solution lies in solving the problem, or better police procedure. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites