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[SkyDekker 1,465]

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He offered to "defeat" Saddams forces when they were threatening Saudi Arabia. Shockingly........they turned his offer down in favor of the US offer to put troops between the Kingdom and Saddam's forces. That's where it all started. Osama was now pissed because American troops were occupying the "Holy Land." So......he swore to get back at the west............and here we are today. It was the FIRST Iraq war that started all this shit. Not this one. This one has merely been a catalyst and venue.

That doesn't establish reason to go into Iraq though.....It explains why OBL was pissed at the Americans.

try again.

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That sounds a bit like:

They are not POWs, they are illegal combatants.

Gold star for you - you're exactly right!

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I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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In the 1990s, they warned of the dangers of reducing both America's defense spending and its role in the world.

Yep, and the five major attacks on us during that time period strengthened their position too.

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This approach, they claim, is not only best for the US; it is best for the world. In their view, the world can only achieve peace through strong US leadership backed with credible force, not weak treaties to be disrespected by tyrants.

There is a much longer timeline of history to bolster this argument as well.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

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Are you fucking serious....

Yes.............yes I am. Any idea how many "Good American Kids" died while containing Saddam Hussein in the years BETWEEN Desert Storm and OIF I?

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That doesn't establish reason to go into Iraq though.....

You're wandering from your point. You were trying to say that the current war in Iraq was causing all the terrorism lately. I pointed out that the root cause, as OBL saw it, was a consequence of a much more popular war. Try to stay on target.

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You were trying to say that the current war in Iraq was causing all the terrorism lately

Uhmm no, that is not what I was saying. I was saying that the current situation in Iraq is a prime breeding ground for terrorirsts.

You really should try seeing shades of grey.

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Maybe, (and this is a long shot), it is because you inferred he is a mercenary.....

I thought he was there as a private contractor fighting? He brags about killing people there and he brags about how much money he is making doing it.

To me that makes him a mercenary...didn't realize that was such a touchy word for some people. If he doesn't like the label, maybe he shouldn't be bragging about the aforementioned?

Excuse me you might want to stick to subjects you know about, or ones that don't involve you gobbing off to an extent, that may have an adverse reaction to you feeding normally for the rest of your life.

*This has only been a suggestion:
we now return you to your regualary scheduled Bush bashing hissy fit.


Even mercenaries (who I have never met in my life)
would not want someone telling them they only do it for the money, it involves a whole lot more than that.

If it was only for the money regardless of the morality of the mission then it would be nothing more than a criminal act.

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Excuse me you might want to stick to subjects you know about, or ones that don't involve you gobbing off to an extent, that may have an adverse reaction to you feeding normally for the rest of your life.

Ohhh please.....making threats over the internet is about as intelligent as....well, let's just say it isn't overly intelligent....but I am sure it made you feel all manly and stuff.

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You really should try seeing shades of grey.

Fine.....just like in the thread next door I'll point out that we had MANY fine reasons to invade Iraq. Starting with the couple hundred thousand dead Kurds in Halabja and thousands more Madan in Southern Iraq and thousands more Shi'a that died after they chose to try and rise up against Saddam. Yeah........we should have just ignored all that oh and all the times he tried and did kill American soldiers and airman between the first and second wars.

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Excuse me you might want to stick to subjects you know about, or ones that don't involve you gobbing off to an extent, that may have an adverse reaction to you feeding normally for the rest of your life.

Ohhh please.....making threats over the internet is about as intelligent as....well, let's just say it isn't overly intelligent....but I am sure it made you feel all manly and stuff.

There was no threat I am just telling you what happens when people in life accuse others of things.

I wonder why you feel free to infer that people are criminals?

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Fine.....just like in the thread next door I'll point out that we had MANY fine reasons to invade Iraq. Starting with the couple hundred thousand dead Kurds in Halabja and thousands more Madan in Southern Iraq and thousands more Shi'a that died after they chose to try and rise up against Saddam. Yeah........we should have just ignored all that oh and all the times he tried and did kill American soldiers and airman between the first and second wars.

Fine....tactically though it turned out to be a dumb decision. The War on terror was dealt a great blow, since the US was no longer able to keep up troop strength necessary in the actual War on Terror. On top of that, it turns out that it really fuelled terrorism and hence made the War on Terror even more difficult.

So, this "humanitarian" mission really was piss poor timing and made a much more important issue much more difficult.

If your stated reasons were true, it would seem that your president made some huge blunders.

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There was no threat I am just telling you what happens when people in life accuse others of things.

I wonder why you feel free to infer that people are criminals?

mercenary != criminal.

maybe the effort used to make threats is better spent on other things?

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Yes.............yes I am. Any idea how many "Good American Kids" died while containing Saddam Hussein in the years BETWEEN Desert Storm and OIF I?

Not sure of the exact number.. but I know it is not the nearly 3000 that it is now.

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There was no threat I am just telling you what happens when people in life accuse others of things.

I wonder why you feel free to infer that people are criminals?

mercenary != criminal.

maybe the effort used to make threats is better spent on other things?

Keep talking but you KNOW what you did

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Keep talking but you KNOW what you did

As I guess you KNOW what you did...

the is a little silly....

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NEW YORK, 27 October (UN Headquarters) -- In order to effectively combat the use of mercenaries in armed conflict, illicit trafficking and other crimes, the legal definition of mercenary must be modified to include States complicit in mercenary activities, and to include mercenary involvement in a wide range of criminal activities, the Special Rapporteur on Mercenaries, Enrique Bernales Ballesteros, today told the Third Committee (Social, Humanitarian and Cultural) as it continued its consideration of the right of peoples to self-determination and the elimination of racism and racial discrimination.

The use of mercenaries as criminal agents affected not only the rights of people to self-determination, but was a means to violate fundamental human rights, he continued. Because of the lack of laws to combat mercenary activities, mercenaries were often not prosecuted, and many people were denounced as mercenaries participating in armed conflicts, particularly in Africa, who continued to operate with impunity.

What was needed, he stressed, was a broader legal definition of mercenarism to combat mercenary involvement in both international and domestic armed conflicts, and to expand the definition to include mercenary participation in illicit activities such as trafficking in persons, arms and drugs, actions to destabilize legitimate governments, and actions to forcibly control valuable natural resources. He noted that his report on mercenaries currently before the Committee contained proposed amendments of articles 1, 2 and 3 of the International Convention against the Recruitment, Use, Financing and Training of Mercenaries, to address the critical need to redefine mercenaries and mercenary acts.

In the subsequent general discussion, delegates highlighted their concerns related to the right of peoples to self-determination, the persistence of racism and racial discrimination, the emergence of new manifestations of racism and racial discrimination in the aftermath of the September 11 terrorist attacks, and the dissemination of racist hate propaganda through the Internet.

Several delegations, including Egypt, Libya, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, and the Sudan, voiced concerns about the situation of the Palestinian occupied territories and their support for the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination.

The international community must continue to address discrimination based on religion or belief, including anti-Semitism and Islamophobia, said the representative of Norway, stressing that racism could only be countered through increased knowledge, tolerance and intercultural dialogue. He said the international community must also strengthen cooperation to combat the dissemination of racist propaganda through the Internet.


The representative of Japan said stressed the importance of education in preventing racism, since racists were not born but created from ignorance and prejudice. Youth exchanges were particularly useful in nurturing mutual understanding among different races and ethnic groups, as the youth of today was the driving force in building the society of tomorrow.

The representative of Antigua and Barbuda, speaking on behalf of the Caribbean Community (CARICOM), said the issue of racism and racial discrimination evoked a deep resonance among the people of CARICOM member States. Having survived centuries of slavery and colonialism, the people of the Caribbean were acutely aware of the ills associated with racism and racial discrimination and their lingering adverse effects on the development process. He said present inequitable social and economic conditions had been caused in large part by slavery and indentureship, and CARICOM endorsed all initiatives to address these persistent inequities.

Also speaking today were representatives of Algeria, Venezuela, Cuba, Mexico, and San Marino. The representatives of Morocco and Algeria spoke in exercise of the right of reply.

Representatives of the International Labour Organization and the International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies also spoke.

The Committee will reconvene tomorrow, at 10 a.m., to continue its consideration of racism and racial discrimination and the right of peoples to self-determination.

Background

The Third Committee (Social, Humanitarian, Cultural) will continue its consideration of the elimination of racism and racial discrimination, the implementation and follow-up to the Durban Declaration and Programme of Action, as well as the right of peoples to self-determination.

For further background information please see press release GA/SHC/3751 of 24 October.

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Can you possibly be honest enough to admit that you accused Clay of being a International Criminal
according to the United Nations?

Or will you not even make the attempt?

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well, that had absolutely nothing to do with anything discussed....

I think you might be better at making threats over the internet.....

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According to your own words, it did, "your mint as mercenary" was clearly written by you....

"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

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Can you possibly be honest enough to admit that you accused Clay of being a International Criminal
according to the United Nations?

1. That report doesn't state that mercenaries = International criminals.
2. Even if it did, what you posted was not anything binding or did it indicate an actual decision made.

So, you are wrong on those 2 counts.

Lastly, I thought the UN was useless and shouldn't be listened to? You really should try making up your mind.

Again, I think you might be better at those internet threats.

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Fuck it I am done talking to you.

You are without conscience

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How fucking stupid do you have to be to not realize, nor admit, that you accused a person of being a criminal?

Show me an official document that says mercanaries are criminals.

Secondly, some one else already brought up that Clay isn't technically defined as a mercenary since he is there for defensive purposes and not offensive purposes, which I replied to and said it is a bit of a semantics argument.

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I often wonder what would have happened if we'd let the Saudis handle Saddam back in 1991, instead of going to war.

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Not sure of the exact number.. but I know it is not the nearly 3000 that it is now.

How many years would we have had to ignore all the deaths that occured during operations containing Saddam for it to equal 3,000? Since we were just containing him those operations would have had to continue pretty much indefinately correct? So the bleeding would have been slower but continuous. At least we have some sort of a chance at ending this operation.

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Just to illustrate my point Jean...........


www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/provide_comfort_2.htm


Wow.........that sounds A LOT more like we were already at war with Saddam. Yep...........26 KIA in ONE DAY! Sure it was a friendly fire accident but wouldn't have happened without Saddam.


Ohhh............and look here.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khobar_Towers_bombing


OK............so Saddam didn't pull the trigger on this one. Osama did..........but once again.......they wouldn't have been there without Saddam threatening his neighbors.


One final one..........this one is personal.


http://www.romad.com/finaljumper/faley.htm


Number 3...........nope........Saddam didn't pull that trigger either. An inept Navy pilot did. However.....Jason was in sight of the Iraqi border dropping bombs why? Yep.........Saddam Hussein.



Seems to be a pattern here.