Amazon 7 #51 September 20, 2006 HEY this is SC.. there will be no jocularity allowed Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #52 September 20, 2006 QuoteIt is easy to be peaceful when your going to star bucks every morning and getting your cup of coffee drop a few bombs aim only at the Christian extremists and we will see how peaceful they are. Seems like there was a group of Muslims that did that about 5 years ago that started up this whole ball of wax, wouldn't you say?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackC 0 #53 September 20, 2006 QuoteIf we were in Thailand and the Tamil Tigers were attacking us, Mark Harju would be posting stuff saying "Godless atheists show they have no morals," conflating atheism and evil the same way many are conflating islam and evil now. Are the Tamil Tigers primarily motivated by atheism then? I searched tamiltigers.net and the other articles and didn't find one mention of their atheist or religious stance, it doesn't seem to be a particularly significant issue for them. I think you made that up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #54 September 20, 2006 QuoteIf we were in Thailand and the Tamil Tigers were attacking us The Tigers are from Sri Lanka not Thailand. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #55 September 20, 2006 Quote Are the Tamil Tigers primarily motivated by atheism then? No, they're not. There seriously discriminated against at an official government level (i.e., they can't teach, be lawyers, etc.). That's what their conflict is about.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #56 September 20, 2006 >Are the Tamil Tigers primarily motivated by atheism then? Nope, it's just a convenient excuse. They're motivated (are are all terrorists) by the hope that their violence will force the changes they want. Blaming all atheists for such violence would be really stupid - even if they did create the modern suicide bomber. (canuck says) >The Tigers are from Sri Lanka not Thailand. Actually they're in both countries now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #57 September 20, 2006 Quote>The Tigers are from Sri Lanka not Thailand. Actually they're in both countries now. Well if you want to put it that way, the Tigers are in many countries now. Don't forget up here in Canada, there is a huge Tamil Tiger's network to go along with a huge network of other questionable organized groups. I could bring up Quebecistan. But I won't. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackC 0 #58 September 21, 2006 Quote>Are the Tamil Tigers primarily motivated by atheism then? Nope, it's just a convenient excuse. What, the Tigers use it as an excuse or other people use it as an excuse for what the tigers are doing? In everything I've read, the subject is never even mentioned. Are you sure you didn't just make this up? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #59 September 21, 2006 Quote What, the Tigers use it as an excuse or other people use it as an excuse for what the tigers are doing? The Tigers are seriously discriminated against at an official government level (i.e., they can't teach, be lawyers, etc.). That's what their conflict is about.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackC 0 #60 September 21, 2006 Yeah I know why the Tigers are pissed off, but for some reason Billvon keeps citing them as an atheist terrorist organisation when atheism (or religion) seems to be a total non-issue for them. Fuctifino. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SabreDave 0 #61 September 21, 2006 Organized religion be it Islam, Roman Catholic, Mormon, J.W. etc is all poisonous crap! U don't need any of this fiction to be a good human being or have a relationship with God.SabreDave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
micro 0 #62 September 21, 2006 here we go again. I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #63 September 22, 2006 QuoteQuoteIt is easy to be peaceful when your going to star bucks every morning and getting your cup of coffee drop a few bombs aim only at the Christian extremists and we will see how peaceful they are. Seems like there was a group of Muslims that did that about 5 years ago that started up this whole ball of wax, wouldn't you say? I do not think the chain of event started with 9-11 it goose much further back then that, but lets say your right. So they attacked us. We started two wars destroyed two countries. You know the numbers of dead you know how much this war has cost in humane life and financially. So why is it we are so just to kill that many people the majority had nothing to do with 9-11, but when the Muslims fight back or are hateful we call them crazy? That’s my biggest issue with most people on SC. They seem to get all sad when an American dies and want revenge and make it a glass parking lot and all that, but they fail to see we have killed so much more people then 9-11. I don’t get this selective reaction. It is ok for us to starts wars kill people when we are targeted, but how dare any one act in revenge when we kill there people. My biggest Issue has always been the hypocrisy.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #64 September 22, 2006 from BBC news: reaction to the Pope's speech.http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/5348436.stm It is quite clear that many in the Muslim world have chosen to completely ignore the fact that the Pope was actually quoting someone else from the Middle Ages. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #65 September 22, 2006 QuoteIt is quite clear that many in the Muslim world have chosen to completely ignore the fact that the Pope was actually quoting someone else from the Middle Ages. That is such a stupid excuses... If I quote Hitler when discussing Jews, do you think many Jews would be upset with me? If I answered with, well remember, I am only quoting Hitler, they aren't my words. Do you think they would be any less upset with me? Now let's say it wasn't me talking, but one of the pre-eminent figures in the world. Let's say the President of Iran or maybe even Bush. Do you think there would be some global outrage? Now, I am not saying the Pope was quite that stupid, but he was pretty close with saying what he said in the current climate. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
micro 0 #66 September 22, 2006 QuoteQuoteIt is quite clear that many in the Muslim world have chosen to completely ignore the fact that the Pope was actually quoting someone else from the Middle Ages. That is such a stupid excuses... If I quote Hitler when discussing Jews, do you think many Jews would be upset with me? If I answered with, well remember, I am only quoting Hitler, they aren't my words. Do you think they would be any less upset with me? Now let's say it wasn't me talking, but one of the pre-eminent figures in the world. Let's say the President of Iran or maybe even Bush. Do you think there would be some global outrage? Now, I am not saying the Pope was quite that stupid, but he was pretty close with saying what he said in the current climate. Have you read the Pope's talk from which the quotes came? I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hayfield 0 #67 September 22, 2006 In all fairness, we only destroyed one country: Iraq. Afghanistan was already destroyed by Russians and then its own people before we arrived."Remember the First Commandment: Don't Fuck Up!" -Crusty Old Pete Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #68 September 25, 2006 QuoteHave you read the Pope's talk from which the quotes came? Yes, though that is slightly beside the point. Quite a few times now the argument has been made that the pope carries no blame because he only quoted some one. I find that a bullshit argument as outlined by my post above. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #69 September 25, 2006 QuoteQuoteIt is quite clear that many in the Muslim world have chosen to completely ignore the fact that the Pope was actually quoting someone else from the Middle Ages. That is such a stupid excuses... If I quote Hitler when discussing Jews, do you think many Jews would be upset with me? If I answered with, well remember, I am only quoting Hitler, they aren't my words. Do you think they would be any less upset with me? Now let's say it wasn't me talking, but one of the pre-eminent figures in the world. Let's say the President of Iran or maybe even Bush. Do you think there would be some global outrage? Now, I am not saying the Pope was quite that stupid, but he was pretty close with saying what he said in the current climate. There may be outrage, but there would be an equal amount of energy spent exposing and reaffirming the flaws of the logic behind the Third Reich's actions to ensure such thinking doesn't gain momentum again.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #70 September 25, 2006 QuoteThere may be outrage, but there would be an equal amount of energy spent exposing and reaffirming the flaws of the logic behind the Third Reich's actions to ensure such thinking doesn't gain momentum again. Such thinking already has gained a tremendous amount of momentum. Just review the increase in Muslims are stupid, murderous bastard posts in these forums. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
micro 0 #71 September 25, 2006 QuoteQuoteHave you read the Pope's talk from which the quotes came? Yes, though that is slightly beside the point. Quite a few times now the argument has been made that the pope carries no blame because he only quoted some one. I find that a bullshit argument as outlined by my post above. Well I for one have added that his comments weren't the most prudent of things to say. As another poster has commented, it would have been far more humble to have pointed to the "sins" of one's own house instead of looking into the house of one's neighbor. But I think to lay some % of blame with him for the ridiculous outrage is just silly. I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #72 September 25, 2006 QuoteBut I think to lay some % of blame with him for the ridiculous outrage is just silly. I don't. I think he and his advisors should have known that comments like that would get a rather fierce reaction. Or, they should have just blamed it on the Devil....you know, Harry Potter. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #73 September 25, 2006 Quote U don't need any of this fiction to be a good human being or have a relationship with God. Agreed! We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #74 September 25, 2006 Quote Yes, though that is slightly beside the point. No, it's not. He used that to make his point - that dialogue is very important. The Muslims have totally missed his point by focusing on a 13th centry quote he made 1/4 of the way through his speech. Maybe Muslims can't read well? He made a huge mistake by even seeming to apologize. That's just encouraging them.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #75 September 25, 2006 QuoteQuoteThere may be outrage, but there would be an equal amount of energy spent exposing and reaffirming the flaws of the logic behind the Third Reich's actions to ensure such thinking doesn't gain momentum again. Such thinking already has gained a tremendous amount of momentum. Just review the increase in Muslims are stupid, murderous bastard posts in these forums. While I understand your point, you should know that the number one killer of muslims is by the hands of other muslims, by an order of millions since the 1970s.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
