stevebabin 0 #26 September 18, 2006 QuoteRecently 38 Senators voted against it: Akaka (D-HI) Bayh (D-IN) Biden (D-DE) Bingaman (D-NM) Boxer (D-CA) Cantwell (D-WA) Clinton (D-NY) Dayton (D-M! N) Dodd (D-CT) Domenici (R-NM) Durbin (D-IL) Feingold (D- WI) Feinstein (D-CA) Harkin (D-IA) Inouye (D-HI) Jeffords (I-VT) Kennedy (D-MA) Kerry (D-MA) Kohl (D-WI) Lautenberg (D-NJ) Leahy (D-VT) Levin (D-MI) Lieberman (D-CT) Menendez (D-NJ) Mikulski (D-MD) Murray (D-WA) Obama (D-IL) Reed (D-RI) Reid (D-NV) Salazar (D-CO) Sarbanes (D-MD) Schumer (D-NY) Stabenow (D-MI) Wyden (D-OR) Anyone else wonder why they only listed 34, when they claim 38 voted against it?"Science, logic and reason will fly you to the moon. Religion will fly you into buildings." "Because figuring things out is always better than making shit up." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #27 September 18, 2006 Hey mister.. get with the program here.... In the NWO... all of you will need to speak English.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevebabin 0 #28 September 18, 2006 QuoteCertainly I haven't "accepted information blindly" Sorry, I didn't mean to imply you did, but it sounds like the person that sent it to you might have."Science, logic and reason will fly you to the moon. Religion will fly you into buildings." "Because figuring things out is always better than making shit up." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PLFXpert 0 #29 September 18, 2006 QuoteSorry, I didn't mean to imply you did, but it sounds like the person that sent it to you might have. I'm not mad at ya--I don't even necessarily disagree with you (excellent 34/38 detail!Again though, I do believe we should declare english as the official language (reasons previously stated). But, I always do my best to maintain an open mind and certainly on this particular subject I'm interested to hear the varying opinions--not just "yes" or "no" but the inevitable reasons behind them that will ensue.Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,151 #30 September 18, 2006 Once it's official, the spelling and grammar rules will be strictly enforced. Violators will be prosecuted.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PLFXpert 0 #31 September 18, 2006 voice> Excellent! Muuuaaah. Ha. Ha. Haaaaa. Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevebabin 0 #32 September 18, 2006 "Ve hav vays ov making you punctuate!" "Science, logic and reason will fly you to the moon. Religion will fly you into buildings." "Because figuring things out is always better than making shit up." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PLFXpert 0 #33 September 18, 2006 That SO reminded me of my Oma, who's now passed. She's german and of course and always sounded like Zsa Zsa Gabor to me.Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rasmack 0 #34 September 18, 2006 QuoteQuoteI don't think it is "needed", but doesn't most all countires have an "official" language? Canada has a couple. Switzerland has 3. Actually Switzerland has four. Take a look at one of their bank notes. QuoteIn the US, should there be a need for an "official" language, it is my opinion it should be at the state level, not at the federal level. Has anyone bothered to define what an "official language" is? Would you require applicants for citizenship to speak it? Green card holders? Visitor's visa applicants? If "official language" just means that no public office is obliged by law to be able to communicate in other languages then fine. If it is a cultural homogenization of the US that is the agenda then it is another kettle of fish. IMHO it would appear that it is your diversity that makes you strong. Is homogeneity necessarily something to strive for?HF #682, Team Dirty Sanchez #227 “I simply hate, detest, loathe, despise, and abhor redundancy.” - Not quite Oscar Wilde... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PLFXpert 0 #35 September 18, 2006 Hopefully you don't believe establishing an official language would be equal to "cultural homegenization". I both appreciate how this country was built & based upon as well as believe we would benefit from an officially established language.Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #36 September 18, 2006 And I still maintain that it's thinly-veiled, plausibly-deniable immigrant bashing. Primarily, Hispanic immigrant bashing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PLFXpert 0 #37 September 18, 2006 QuoteAnd I still maintain that it's thinly-veiled, plausibly-deniable immigrant bashing. Primarily, Hispanic immigrant bashing. So b/c I would support such an ammendment, I must be an "immigrant basher"? Yowza. I better go---many relationships to end and years of lost antagonist-work to make up for.Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rasmack 0 #38 September 18, 2006 QuoteHopefully you don't believe establishing an official language would be equal to "cultural homegenization". No, but I like to believe that passing legislation to this effect would have a reason. What would this reason be? QuoteI both appreciate how this country was built & based upon as well as believe we would benefit from an officially established language. You still haven't told me what it is...HF #682, Team Dirty Sanchez #227 “I simply hate, detest, loathe, despise, and abhor redundancy.” - Not quite Oscar Wilde... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PLFXpert 0 #39 September 18, 2006 QuoteYou still haven't told me what it is... I have.I did not, however, mention specifically why I chose to post the vote with my poll-question. I've got to run for a while. Will check back tomorrow.Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rasmack 0 #40 September 18, 2006 QuoteQuoteYou still haven't told me what it is... I have. You have stated that it is practical if immigrants would have to learn an "official language". Is this your definition of "official"? Something that immigrants would have to learn to get some kind of visa or green card?HF #682, Team Dirty Sanchez #227 “I simply hate, detest, loathe, despise, and abhor redundancy.” - Not quite Oscar Wilde... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #41 September 18, 2006 Quotebelieve we would benefit from an officially established language. What would you perceive this benefit to be? What would making English an official language accomplish? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #42 September 18, 2006 Question; if English was the official language of the US, then would President Bush be held accountable for his butchering it?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #43 September 18, 2006 QuoteQuoteWhile I favor people in the USA speaking English, I'm not sure what making it the official language would accomplish In my opinion, for this reason: QuoteAnd there is no way if I moved to another country I would not attempt repeatedly until successful to learn their language. It's just respectful, imo. Yeah, but ... My point is we actually have an "official language. It is English. It is on most everything. Now occaisionally we have other languages listed as an option with it, (we have three languages lsiting a WARNING or DANGER label on our tandem harness, but English is dominant) IMHO -- it is the "unofficial" official language, and I don't see how creating another law that can't be reasonably enforced will help. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #44 September 18, 2006 Quoteit is the "unofficial" official language, and I don't see how creating another law that can't be reasonably enforced will help. well that's at least one voice of reason ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #45 September 19, 2006 Immigrants are (supposedly) required to pass an English comprehension test as part of their citizenship packet.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frenchy68 0 #46 September 19, 2006 QuoteImmigrants are (supposedly) required to pass an English comprehension test as part of their citizenship packet. Not that I know of. They (I used to say "we") have to show basic knowledge of American history (which they can demonstrate with the help of a translator), but I don't believe comprehension of the English language is being required... "For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #47 September 19, 2006 QuoteQuoteImmigrants are (supposedly) required to pass an English comprehension test as part of their citizenship packet. Not that I know of. They (I used to say "we") have to show basic knowledge of American history (which they can demonstrate with the help of a translator), but I don't believe comprehension of the English language is being required... From Immigration website QuoteLanguage Applicants for naturalization must be able to read, write, speak, and understand words in ordinary usage in the English language. Applicants exempt from this requirement are those who on the date of filing: * have been residing in the United States subsequent to a lawful admission for permanent residence for periods totaling 15 years or more and are over 55 years of age; * have been residing in the United States subsequent to a lawful admission for permanent residence for periods totaling 20 years or more and are over 50 years of age; or * have a medically determinable physical or mental impairment, where the impairment affects the applicant’s ability to learn English. Also here: QuoteINA: ACT 312 - REQUIREMENTS AS TO UNDERSTANDING THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE, HISTORY, PRINCIPLES, AND FORM OF GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES Sec. 312. [8 U.S.C. 1423] (a) No person except as otherwise provided in this title shall hereafter be naturalized as a citizen of the United States upon his own application who cannot demonstrate- (1) an understanding of the English language, including an ability to read, write, and speak words in ordinary usage in the English language: Provided, That the requirements of this paragraph relating to ability to read and write shall be met if the applicant can read or write simple words and phrases to the end that a reasonable test of his literacy shall be made and that no extraordinary or unreasonable conditions shall be imposed upon the applicant; and (2) a knowledge and understanding of the fundamentals of the history, and of the principles and form of government, of the United States. Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhys 0 #48 September 19, 2006 QuoteOnce it's official, the spelling and grammar rules will be strictly enforced. Violators will be prosecuted. so you will correctly spell Litre, metre, etc... an you may even be able to fathom the metric system one day too!!! nah too stupid, like to do things the hard way!! "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frenchy68 0 #49 September 19, 2006 I have a feeling the standards have been somewhat relaxed when it comes to the understanding of the English language... "For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #50 September 19, 2006 QuoteI have a feeling the standards have been somewhat relaxed when it comes to the understanding of the English language... Methinks you have a point, good Sir....Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
