freeflir29 0 #76 September 27, 2006 QuoteDid you read them, or do you prefer to continue on with your own hearsay? So you're saying I should read the hearsay or I'm just making my own hearsay? I'm confused. I did read them........but you're still forming an opinion based on "Cliff Notes" at best. Why not wait for the unedited unrated version? Like Team America......the unrated was MUCH better! QuoteThat most Iraqis would prefer the Americans to leave? Well.......I can't find numbers that match up. The Wiki site earlier listed the Population of Kurds (They may have been including ALL Kurds) at 30 Million. Everything I can find for Iraq as a whole says the TOTAL Population is 26+ Million. Anyway.......I think it's safe to say that your statement is incorrect. That's sort of semantics though. However, here's my .02C. I think that most Iraqis wish we were GONE. Not that we would leave. Follow me here.........I think they wish that the political infighting, insurgency, infrastructure, and all the other problems were solved and we were gone. I think that MOST Iraqis know better than to wish that we would just pack up and leave tomorrow. Ya know.......I watched a vid on "Youtube" yesterday and I wish I had time to find it now. I think it was meant to be some US bashing by Iranian media. However, for anyone that could get past EVERY interviewee saying they hated America one thing stood out that a guy said. He said "No.....I don't like Americans. How can you like someone that invaded your country? I think Mr Al-Maliki (SP?) (Iraqi President) must work hard to solve the problems and get the Americans out!" I couldn't have been more proud. I don't care if every Iraqi in the street likes Americans. What I want is for them to be the peaceful productive nation that I KNOW they can be. Here's this guy saying how he hates Americans and "democracy" (Yes he said that) but what I don't think he even understood is that he is now relying on his ELECTED president to make things better. That friends........is a step of LIGHT YEARS in this part of the world. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #77 September 27, 2006 QuoteThe people I hear bitching the most about insufficient armor, salary, medical benefits, payday lending predation etc. were/are from the left. The people who finance additional armor (money for the troops!!!!) through supplemental "emergency" spending bills laden with earmarked bridges and railways to nowhere happen to be from the right. HOLY SCHNIKEES!!!!!!!! We completely agree on something. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #78 September 27, 2006 QuoteSo you're saying I should read the hearsay or I'm just making my own hearsay? I'm confused. I did read them........but you're still forming an opinion based on "Cliff Notes" at best. Why not wait for the unedited unrated version? Like Team America......the unrated was MUCH better! Problem is, that contrary what you were earlier claiming, the White House is refusing to declassify the whole report. from cnn: "The White House refused Wednesday to release the rest of a secret intelligence assessment that depicts a growing terrorist threat as the Bush administration tried to quell election-season criticism that its anti-terror policies are seriously off track." You have to wonder how much more damning the report is.... QuoteWell.......I can't find numbers that match up. The Wiki site earlier listed the Population of Kurds (They may have been including ALL Kurds) at 30 Million. Everything I can find for Iraq as a whole says the TOTAL Population is 26+ Million. Anyway.......I think it's safe to say that your statement is incorrect. You orginally stated the 30 million as the number of Kurds in Iraq. Goes to show you what happens when I believe you Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freeflir29 0 #79 September 27, 2006 QuoteGoes to show you what happens when I believe you Don't blame me.........blame Wikipedia........or the CIA fact book. One of them is WAY off! There probably are 30 million Kurds......they are just spread out in 4 differen't countries. That being said.........MANY Kurds are now moving back to Iraq now that Saddam is gone and it's relatively quite safe up here. Quotethat contrary what you were earlier claiming Oh sorry.......I heard it from GW's mouth. "I told them to declassify the whole thing." is what I remember him saying on ABC news. Not that I think it should be. It's classified for a reason. I personally think both parties should stop putting American lives at risk for political gain. Then you have the political elite that often can't think past the power struggle. Someone needs to just start prosecuting these "leakers." Of course then you'll have one side and then the other claiming they are being railroaded for political power. What a system we have. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,132 #80 September 27, 2006 >So the US has killed and tortured RECORD numbers of civilians? We've killed tens of thousands of innocent iraqis (we, meaning the US.) Total deaths over the past three years due to our invasion have numbered around 45,000, or about 15,000 a year. That's innocent deaths, not insurgent or military deaths. Saddam's regime killed about 6600 innocent people a year. (Again, innocent people; that's not counting military losses.) Now, right now, the number of innocent people in Iraq is going up, not down. Perhaps someday in the future we will be able to claim that fewer Iraqis are dying in Iraq now than under Saddam - but we can't claim that yet. >I don't know Dilawar Bill. Do you? How do we know he was innocent? Same reason you know all the people in the WTC were innocent, I suppose. Because we presume that people who have not had a trial (and in Dilawar's case, not even any accusations against them) are innocent. >Bill..........comparing the "Insurgency" in Iraq to you and I is > ludicrous. I'm not. I am comparing Iraqis to you or I. And I have a feeling you would feel as strongly about a foreign occupier killing your wife as they do. And for tens of thousands of Iraqis, that is exactly what happened. >Bill.....I would still be here. I would just operate very differently. So you'd still be there but have a different job. Sounds like you agree with Skydekker! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,132 #81 September 27, 2006 >That most Iraqis would prefer the Americans to leave? You might be right, then you might also be wrong . . . Most Iraqis want Americans to leave. ------------------------------------------ Most Iraqis Favor Immediate U.S. Pullout, Polls Show Leaders' Views Out of Step With Public By Amit R. Paley Wednesday, September 27, 2006; Page A22 BAGHDAD, Sept. 26 -- A strong majority of Iraqis want U.S.-led military forces to immediately withdraw from the country, saying their swift departure would make Iraq more secure and decrease sectarian violence, according to new polls by the State Department and independent researchers. In Baghdad, for example, nearly three-quarters of residents polled said they would feel safer if U.S. and other foreign forces left Iraq, with 65 percent of those asked favoring an immediate pullout, according to State Department polling results obtained by The Washington Post. Another new poll, scheduled to be released on Wednesday by the Program on International Policy Attitudes at the University of Maryland, found that 71 percent of Iraqis questioned want the Iraqi government to ask foreign forces to depart within a year. By large margins, though, Iraqis believed that the U.S. government would refuse the request, with 77 percent of those polled saying the United States intends keep permanent military bases in the country. ----------------------------------- http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/26/AR2006092601721.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DaVinci 0 #82 September 27, 2006 Yes it is. You cannot force people into a democracy at the barrel of a gun. But that does not mean that it still should not have been done. Good can come out of this. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Hayfield 0 #83 September 27, 2006 We may all have our opinions and sources of information that provide us different "facts", but some things most of us on this forum will agree on: The politicians fuck things up and soldiers get stuck with the tab. US troops typically do the best they can, but it's hard to do surgery with a sword. To all those who have (or choose) go where we don't/won't: Thanks for your service. Hope you get home ok from deployments. Blue Ones to all."Remember the First Commandment: Don't Fuck Up!" -Crusty Old Pete Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,182 #84 October 1, 2006 Not only a quagmire, apparently a fiasco too.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freeflir29 0 #85 October 1, 2006 Like ALL the ones mentioned here? How about this nice quote “The problem was with Bill Clinton -- the scandals and the rumored scandals, the incubating ones and the dying ones never ended. Whatever moral compass the president was consulting was leading him in the wrong direction. His closets were full of skeletons just waiting to burst out.” But Bush is SO bad!!! Keep trying Kallend. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,182 #86 October 1, 2006 QuoteLike ALL the ones mentioned here? How about this nice quote “The problem was with Bill Clinton -- the scandals and the rumored scandals, the incubating ones and the dying ones never ended. Whatever moral compass the president was consulting was leading him in the wrong direction. His closets were full of skeletons just waiting to burst out.” But Bush is SO bad!!! Keep trying Kallend. I have news for you, Clinton is NOT the president. Bush's lies have killed over 2,700 American boys, and tens of thousands of Iraqi civilians.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freeflir29 0 #87 October 1, 2006 QuoteBush's lies have killed over 2,700 American boys, and tens of thousands of Iraqi civilians. Clinton's failures and complete inaction brought us here. Bush is trying to clean up the mess. Let me post this one more time. There's A LOT more where this came from if you'd like me to go dig more up. Louis Freeh, Former FBI Director Appointed by Clinton. "In another revelation, Freeh says the former president let down the American people and the families of victims of the Khobar Towers terror attack in Saudi Arabia. After promising to bring to justice those responsible for the bombing that killed 19 and injured hundreds, Freeh says Clinton refused to personally ask Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah to allow the FBI to question bombing suspects the kingdom had in custody – the only way the bureau could secure the interviews, according to Freeh. Freeh writes in the book, “Bill Clinton raised the subject only to tell the crown prince that he understood the Saudis’ reluctance to cooperate and then he hit Abdullah up for a contribution to the Clinton Presidential Library.” Says Freeh, “That’s a fact that I am reporting.” QuoteClinton is NOT the president Nope..........and 6 years on we are STILL trying to clean up the mess he left. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,182 #88 October 1, 2006 QuoteQuoteBush's lies have killed over 2,700 American boys, and tens of thousands of Iraqi civilians. Clinton's failures and complete inaction brought us here. Bush is trying to clean up the mess. . You are in denial. We're 6 years into the presidency of what may well turn out to be the worst president in the last 100 years. Debt, Lies leading to War, incompetently managed. Torture, Abrogation of the Bill of Rights and much much more.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freeflir29 0 #89 October 1, 2006 QuoteWe're 6 years into the presidency of what may well turn out to be the worst president in the last 100 years. Based on YOUR Opinion. I'm sure every history book will quote you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,182 #90 October 1, 2006 QuoteQuoteWe're 6 years into the presidency of what may well turn out to be the worst president in the last 100 years. Based on YOUR Opinion. I'm sure every history book will quote you. Time will tell.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,132 #91 October 4, 2006 A new twist: ------------ BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- The Interior Ministry has removed a police brigade from the streets of Baghdad because of a brazen kidnapping this week of 26 people, a ministry spokesman said Wednesday. Some Sunnis blame the abductions on Shiite death squads, which many people suspect are infiltrating Iraqi police units. Interior Ministry spokesman, Brig. Gen. Abdul Karim Khalaf, said Wednesday the brigade was patrolled the southwestern neighborhood of Amil, where the kidnapping happened on Sunday. At least 20 gunmen, several dressed like police commandos, parked in front of a meat processing plant, seized the workers and put them in three trucks before driving away. U.S. Maj. Gen. William Caldwell announced the Iraqi police unit's recall earlier Wednesday and identified it as the 8th Brigade, 2nd National Police. ------------- Looks like the spirit of Saddam lives on. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,182 #92 October 4, 2006 QuoteA new twist: ------------ BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- The Interior Ministry has removed a police brigade from the streets of Baghdad because of a brazen kidnapping this week of 26 people, a ministry spokesman said Wednesday. Some Sunnis blame the abductions on Shiite death squads, which many people suspect are infiltrating Iraqi police units. Interior Ministry spokesman, Brig. Gen. Abdul Karim Khalaf, said Wednesday the brigade was patrolled the southwestern neighborhood of Amil, where the kidnapping happened on Sunday. At least 20 gunmen, several dressed like police commandos, parked in front of a meat processing plant, seized the workers and put them in three trucks before driving away. U.S. Maj. Gen. William Caldwell announced the Iraqi police unit's recall earlier Wednesday and identified it as the 8th Brigade, 2nd National Police. ------------- Looks like the spirit of Saddam lives on. And 22 American boys killed so far this month in Bush's war, while we are all distracted by a GOP pedophile. www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/MAC464273.htm... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DaVinci 0 #93 October 5, 2006 QuoteAnd 22 American boys killed so far this month in Bush's war I see....Last I checked Congress authorized force. I guess they had nothing to do with this then? Or do we now live in the USB? (United States of Bushdom). I guess I missed the vote to change the name of the US. Does your son fight for Bush, or the USA? I think you should be able to do better than these distractions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,132 #94 October 5, 2006 >Or do we now live in the USB? More so than ever before. The president is NOT authorized to declare war; only Congress is authorized to do that. (And no, a vote to support the use of force if negotiations fail is NOT a declaration of war.) Can you find the congressional declaration of war that began the Iraq invasion? We can wait while you look. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DaVinci 0 #95 October 5, 2006 Quote>Or do we now live in the USB? More so than ever before. The president is NOT authorized to declare war; only Congress is authorized to do that. (And no, a vote to support the use of force if negotiations fail is NOT a declaration of war.) They voted to support the use of force. Like it or not the little "word games" saying that is not the same, while technically true, amount to the same thing. You can claim otherwise, but that is just playing into the word games. They voted to allow force. That is a fact. If they did not want to use force then they could have voted no. QuoteCan you find the congressional declaration of war that began the Iraq invasion? We can wait while you look. No, but I can show the vote that allowed the President to use force. Notice they ALLOWED him to use force and took a vote and everything. You can claim it is not the same, but they DID do it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #96 October 5, 2006 Quote No, but I can show the vote that allowed the President to use force. Notice they ALLOWED him to use force and took a vote and everything. You can claim it is not the same, but they DID do it. Didn't you know they only voted for the President to use force "if necessay"? They never dreamed he would actually start a war. Oh, no..they NEVER thought that would happen. They was duped. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #97 October 5, 2006 Quote>Or do we now live in the USB? More so than ever before. The president is NOT authorized to declare war; only Congress is authorized to do that. (And no, a vote to support the use of force if negotiations fail is NOT a declaration of war.) Can you find the congressional declaration of war that began the Iraq invasion? We can wait while you look. While you're waiting, can you find the me the Congressional Declarations of War for Korea and Vietnam? Thanks.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,132 #98 October 5, 2006 >While you're waiting, can you find the me the Congressional Declarations >of War for Korea and Vietnam? None there either. And Vietnam turned out so well - 58,000 dead and we lost. Good thing we're emulating it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #99 October 5, 2006 Quote>While you're waiting, can you find the me the Congressional Declarations >of War for Korea and Vietnam? None there either. And Vietnam turned out so well - 58,000 dead and we lost. Good thing we're emulating it! Strawman argument. 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freeflir29 0 #79 September 27, 2006 QuoteGoes to show you what happens when I believe you Don't blame me.........blame Wikipedia........or the CIA fact book. One of them is WAY off! There probably are 30 million Kurds......they are just spread out in 4 differen't countries. That being said.........MANY Kurds are now moving back to Iraq now that Saddam is gone and it's relatively quite safe up here. Quotethat contrary what you were earlier claiming Oh sorry.......I heard it from GW's mouth. "I told them to declassify the whole thing." is what I remember him saying on ABC news. Not that I think it should be. It's classified for a reason. I personally think both parties should stop putting American lives at risk for political gain. Then you have the political elite that often can't think past the power struggle. Someone needs to just start prosecuting these "leakers." Of course then you'll have one side and then the other claiming they are being railroaded for political power. What a system we have. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #80 September 27, 2006 >So the US has killed and tortured RECORD numbers of civilians? We've killed tens of thousands of innocent iraqis (we, meaning the US.) Total deaths over the past three years due to our invasion have numbered around 45,000, or about 15,000 a year. That's innocent deaths, not insurgent or military deaths. Saddam's regime killed about 6600 innocent people a year. (Again, innocent people; that's not counting military losses.) Now, right now, the number of innocent people in Iraq is going up, not down. Perhaps someday in the future we will be able to claim that fewer Iraqis are dying in Iraq now than under Saddam - but we can't claim that yet. >I don't know Dilawar Bill. Do you? How do we know he was innocent? Same reason you know all the people in the WTC were innocent, I suppose. Because we presume that people who have not had a trial (and in Dilawar's case, not even any accusations against them) are innocent. >Bill..........comparing the "Insurgency" in Iraq to you and I is > ludicrous. I'm not. I am comparing Iraqis to you or I. And I have a feeling you would feel as strongly about a foreign occupier killing your wife as they do. And for tens of thousands of Iraqis, that is exactly what happened. >Bill.....I would still be here. I would just operate very differently. So you'd still be there but have a different job. Sounds like you agree with Skydekker! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #81 September 27, 2006 >That most Iraqis would prefer the Americans to leave? You might be right, then you might also be wrong . . . Most Iraqis want Americans to leave. ------------------------------------------ Most Iraqis Favor Immediate U.S. Pullout, Polls Show Leaders' Views Out of Step With Public By Amit R. Paley Wednesday, September 27, 2006; Page A22 BAGHDAD, Sept. 26 -- A strong majority of Iraqis want U.S.-led military forces to immediately withdraw from the country, saying their swift departure would make Iraq more secure and decrease sectarian violence, according to new polls by the State Department and independent researchers. In Baghdad, for example, nearly three-quarters of residents polled said they would feel safer if U.S. and other foreign forces left Iraq, with 65 percent of those asked favoring an immediate pullout, according to State Department polling results obtained by The Washington Post. Another new poll, scheduled to be released on Wednesday by the Program on International Policy Attitudes at the University of Maryland, found that 71 percent of Iraqis questioned want the Iraqi government to ask foreign forces to depart within a year. By large margins, though, Iraqis believed that the U.S. government would refuse the request, with 77 percent of those polled saying the United States intends keep permanent military bases in the country. ----------------------------------- http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/26/AR2006092601721.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #82 September 27, 2006 Yes it is. You cannot force people into a democracy at the barrel of a gun. But that does not mean that it still should not have been done. Good can come out of this. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hayfield 0 #83 September 27, 2006 We may all have our opinions and sources of information that provide us different "facts", but some things most of us on this forum will agree on: The politicians fuck things up and soldiers get stuck with the tab. US troops typically do the best they can, but it's hard to do surgery with a sword. To all those who have (or choose) go where we don't/won't: Thanks for your service. Hope you get home ok from deployments. Blue Ones to all."Remember the First Commandment: Don't Fuck Up!" -Crusty Old Pete Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #84 October 1, 2006 Not only a quagmire, apparently a fiasco too.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #85 October 1, 2006 Like ALL the ones mentioned here? How about this nice quote “The problem was with Bill Clinton -- the scandals and the rumored scandals, the incubating ones and the dying ones never ended. Whatever moral compass the president was consulting was leading him in the wrong direction. His closets were full of skeletons just waiting to burst out.” But Bush is SO bad!!! Keep trying Kallend. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #86 October 1, 2006 QuoteLike ALL the ones mentioned here? How about this nice quote “The problem was with Bill Clinton -- the scandals and the rumored scandals, the incubating ones and the dying ones never ended. Whatever moral compass the president was consulting was leading him in the wrong direction. His closets were full of skeletons just waiting to burst out.” But Bush is SO bad!!! Keep trying Kallend. I have news for you, Clinton is NOT the president. Bush's lies have killed over 2,700 American boys, and tens of thousands of Iraqi civilians.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #87 October 1, 2006 QuoteBush's lies have killed over 2,700 American boys, and tens of thousands of Iraqi civilians. Clinton's failures and complete inaction brought us here. Bush is trying to clean up the mess. Let me post this one more time. There's A LOT more where this came from if you'd like me to go dig more up. Louis Freeh, Former FBI Director Appointed by Clinton. "In another revelation, Freeh says the former president let down the American people and the families of victims of the Khobar Towers terror attack in Saudi Arabia. After promising to bring to justice those responsible for the bombing that killed 19 and injured hundreds, Freeh says Clinton refused to personally ask Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah to allow the FBI to question bombing suspects the kingdom had in custody – the only way the bureau could secure the interviews, according to Freeh. Freeh writes in the book, “Bill Clinton raised the subject only to tell the crown prince that he understood the Saudis’ reluctance to cooperate and then he hit Abdullah up for a contribution to the Clinton Presidential Library.” Says Freeh, “That’s a fact that I am reporting.” QuoteClinton is NOT the president Nope..........and 6 years on we are STILL trying to clean up the mess he left. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #88 October 1, 2006 QuoteQuoteBush's lies have killed over 2,700 American boys, and tens of thousands of Iraqi civilians. Clinton's failures and complete inaction brought us here. Bush is trying to clean up the mess. . You are in denial. We're 6 years into the presidency of what may well turn out to be the worst president in the last 100 years. Debt, Lies leading to War, incompetently managed. Torture, Abrogation of the Bill of Rights and much much more.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #89 October 1, 2006 QuoteWe're 6 years into the presidency of what may well turn out to be the worst president in the last 100 years. Based on YOUR Opinion. I'm sure every history book will quote you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #90 October 1, 2006 QuoteQuoteWe're 6 years into the presidency of what may well turn out to be the worst president in the last 100 years. Based on YOUR Opinion. I'm sure every history book will quote you. Time will tell.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #91 October 4, 2006 A new twist: ------------ BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- The Interior Ministry has removed a police brigade from the streets of Baghdad because of a brazen kidnapping this week of 26 people, a ministry spokesman said Wednesday. Some Sunnis blame the abductions on Shiite death squads, which many people suspect are infiltrating Iraqi police units. Interior Ministry spokesman, Brig. Gen. Abdul Karim Khalaf, said Wednesday the brigade was patrolled the southwestern neighborhood of Amil, where the kidnapping happened on Sunday. At least 20 gunmen, several dressed like police commandos, parked in front of a meat processing plant, seized the workers and put them in three trucks before driving away. U.S. Maj. Gen. William Caldwell announced the Iraqi police unit's recall earlier Wednesday and identified it as the 8th Brigade, 2nd National Police. ------------- Looks like the spirit of Saddam lives on. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #92 October 4, 2006 QuoteA new twist: ------------ BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- The Interior Ministry has removed a police brigade from the streets of Baghdad because of a brazen kidnapping this week of 26 people, a ministry spokesman said Wednesday. Some Sunnis blame the abductions on Shiite death squads, which many people suspect are infiltrating Iraqi police units. Interior Ministry spokesman, Brig. Gen. Abdul Karim Khalaf, said Wednesday the brigade was patrolled the southwestern neighborhood of Amil, where the kidnapping happened on Sunday. At least 20 gunmen, several dressed like police commandos, parked in front of a meat processing plant, seized the workers and put them in three trucks before driving away. U.S. Maj. Gen. William Caldwell announced the Iraqi police unit's recall earlier Wednesday and identified it as the 8th Brigade, 2nd National Police. ------------- Looks like the spirit of Saddam lives on. And 22 American boys killed so far this month in Bush's war, while we are all distracted by a GOP pedophile. www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/MAC464273.htm... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #93 October 5, 2006 QuoteAnd 22 American boys killed so far this month in Bush's war I see....Last I checked Congress authorized force. I guess they had nothing to do with this then? Or do we now live in the USB? (United States of Bushdom). I guess I missed the vote to change the name of the US. Does your son fight for Bush, or the USA? I think you should be able to do better than these distractions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #94 October 5, 2006 >Or do we now live in the USB? More so than ever before. The president is NOT authorized to declare war; only Congress is authorized to do that. (And no, a vote to support the use of force if negotiations fail is NOT a declaration of war.) Can you find the congressional declaration of war that began the Iraq invasion? We can wait while you look. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #95 October 5, 2006 Quote>Or do we now live in the USB? More so than ever before. The president is NOT authorized to declare war; only Congress is authorized to do that. (And no, a vote to support the use of force if negotiations fail is NOT a declaration of war.) They voted to support the use of force. Like it or not the little "word games" saying that is not the same, while technically true, amount to the same thing. You can claim otherwise, but that is just playing into the word games. They voted to allow force. That is a fact. If they did not want to use force then they could have voted no. QuoteCan you find the congressional declaration of war that began the Iraq invasion? We can wait while you look. No, but I can show the vote that allowed the President to use force. Notice they ALLOWED him to use force and took a vote and everything. You can claim it is not the same, but they DID do it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #96 October 5, 2006 Quote No, but I can show the vote that allowed the President to use force. Notice they ALLOWED him to use force and took a vote and everything. You can claim it is not the same, but they DID do it. Didn't you know they only voted for the President to use force "if necessay"? They never dreamed he would actually start a war. Oh, no..they NEVER thought that would happen. They was duped. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #97 October 5, 2006 Quote>Or do we now live in the USB? More so than ever before. The president is NOT authorized to declare war; only Congress is authorized to do that. (And no, a vote to support the use of force if negotiations fail is NOT a declaration of war.) Can you find the congressional declaration of war that began the Iraq invasion? We can wait while you look. While you're waiting, can you find the me the Congressional Declarations of War for Korea and Vietnam? Thanks.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #98 October 5, 2006 >While you're waiting, can you find the me the Congressional Declarations >of War for Korea and Vietnam? None there either. And Vietnam turned out so well - 58,000 dead and we lost. Good thing we're emulating it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #99 October 5, 2006 Quote>While you're waiting, can you find the me the Congressional Declarations >of War for Korea and Vietnam? None there either. And Vietnam turned out so well - 58,000 dead and we lost. Good thing we're emulating it! Strawman argument. You (in effect) said we shouldn't be in Iraq since there was no formal declaration of war. So, where are the declarations for: Korea Vietnam Grenada Panama Desert Storm Bosnia Kosovo Etc....Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikkey 0 #100 October 5, 2006 Spare a thought for the Iraqi's too. Just saw some offical stats. This year an average of 100 civilians killed every day...--------------------------------------------------------- When people look like ants - pull. When ants look like people - pray. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
