Skyrad 0 #1 September 16, 2006 American soldiers are being given the option of joining the Iraqi resistance. http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7468.htm The truth of what is really going on in Iraq brought to you in English by the media platoon of the Islamic Jihad Army.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #2 September 16, 2006 Well written and concise, I think the author should be proud. I remember a few well written pieces by a guy named Joe, who was from Germany back in the '30s and 40's that were also quite persausive. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #3 September 16, 2006 Who?When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #4 September 16, 2006 Joseph Goebbels http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/goebmain.htm If you actually take the time to read some of his writings (and I don't mean just the speeches) you will find a good reason people believed him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #5 September 16, 2006 Interesting.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #6 September 16, 2006 Churchill's Lie Factory by Joseph Goebbels There is no point to debating Mr. Churchill about English ship losses or the damage caused by German air attacks. He follows the time-honored British policy of admitting only that which is impossible to deny, then cutting it in half, while at the same time doubling or tripling the enemy's losses. This balances the accounts. The astonishing thing is that Mr. Churchill, a genuine John Bull, holds to his lies, and in fact repeats them until he himself believes them. That is an old English trick. Mr. Churchill does not need to perfect it, as it is one of the familiar tactics of British politics, known to the entire world. They made good use of the trick during the World War, with the difference that world opinion believed it then, which cannot be said today. That is because at the end of the World War British plutocracy believed that Germany would never recover. In part from indifference, but also in part from boastfulness, they made the mistake of telling the world the tricks they had used to defeat the Reich. In the memoirs written by British statesmen, Mr. Churchill in particular, one could see that the London plutocrats had no problem lying to high heaven during the war. They were even proud of fooling Germany in so easy and clever a fashion. They revealed their methods. They are not believable any longer. We only need to refer to the World War and note that the same men are determining English news policy as did from 1914 to 1918, and everything becomes clear. That is of course rather painful for those involved. One should not, as a rule, reveal one's secrets, since one does not know if and when one may need them again. The essential English leadership secret does not depend on particular intelligence. Rather, it depends on a remarkably stupid thick-headedness. The English follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous. That applies to the dramatic events now taking place at sea and in the air. Despite his own knowledge and the facts, Mr. Churchill keeps saying that England is in a good position, and he is not in any way influenced by contrary facts. The Royal Air Force has pulverized Hamburg, destroyed every railroad station in Berlin, and left German war production in ruins, all the while never hitting a clinic, hospital, orphanage, old people's home, or any kind of civilian target at all. The German Luftwaffe, on the other hand, has never been particularly interested in military or industrial targets. It is instead magnetically drawn to churches, schools, institutions for homeless children, and workers' homes. They particularly like embassies, consulates, or American businesses. They fly randomly over English cities until they have found such a target, then dive down and drop their bombs. They want to drive the USA into the war. If perchance the German Luftwaffe manages to bomb an industrial city like Cardiff, Reuters reports: "Unknown airplanes attacked something or another somehow, somewhere. The damage is still unclear, but no military or industrial targets were hit. Further details will follow." The world public can wait for the details until the war is over. Should the neutral press somehow manage to report serious damage despite English censorship, the king sets to work to attack the world's tear ducts. He personally visits the damaged city. English workers are there to cheer enthusiastically. They seem to have nothing better to do than to plant the Union Jack in the midst of the still smoking ruins, or to dance the Lambeth Walk in the middle of the blackened walls, and to cheer the king as he goes on his way. This will apparently continue until not a single stone in England is left standing on another, and the long-awaited moment to begin the glorious English offensive against the accursed German devil arrives. It all moves His Majesty to the degree that he takes £200 from his vest pocket (about 2000 Reich marks) and puts it in the poor box. His Majesty's visit ends with a visit to a harbor, where the king watches a ship being unloaded. Reuters happily announces the cargo is American frozen meat, which proves first that Atlantic ship traffic is functioning normally, and second that His Majesty is in good physical and mental condition, despite the seriousness of the situation. How different we Germans are! If the Führer does not speak, it is proof that he is uncertain and sees no way out. If he does speak, one can conclude that the situation in the Reich is catastrophic and people desperately need reassurance. If he does not speak of a rapid victory, it is because he does not believe in it. If he does speak of it, he is just trying to confuse the world. If he meets with the Ducé, it means there is a rift in the Axis. If he does not meet, it is because the rift is too deep to repair. If he visits the troops, he is fleeing the situation at home. If he does not, it is, of course, because he is afraid of the soldiers. In England, people give three cheers when fat and meat rations are reduced. In Germany, that would naturally lead to a revolution. In England, snow and ice speed up the passenger and freight system, but in Germany they throw it into total chaos. German methods of warfare are contemptible and foolish, but one is not embarrassed to imitate them. English methods are exemplary, humane, liberal, and advanced, but they do not work, they have no success, and are therefore quietly dropped. When we announced a few years back that we preferred cannons to butter, all England protested. Now, however, the English have eaten the butter, while we have the cannons. They now have to follow the same principle through which we built our army, but that does not change the fact that these methods are dumb, short-sighted, narrow-minded, and shallow because they were invented by National Socialism. There is no point to talking with the English. As long as Mr. Churchill is at the helm, John Bull will win every time. What a pity that it always loses the offensive. Mr. Churchill recently strolled through the ruins of the City of London after a major German Luftwaffe attack. Reuters naturally reported that the public applauded him energetically and shouted "Good old Winston! Keep it up!" When one asked him about peace, he answered: "After we have won!" One could find that impressive, if one did not know him better. But we know him. We know it is all a front, that he sees no way out, and that he is so far into his criminal policies that there is no way back any longer. He looks strong, but has nothing left, and can only hope for a miracle. There will not be a miracle. Luck is always on the side of him who has earned it, and history in the end has always sided with those fighting for high ideals who are not willing to give up. Mr. Churchill is not such an idealist. He represents a rotten and corrupt world. He is a man of the 18th century who drapes himself with the symbols of the 19th century, hoping thereby to win the battles of the 20th century. This is a world of unlimited individual profiteering at the cost of other people and nations. It has been replaced in Europe by new ways of building nations. The future is theirs. A believing, sacrificing youth is gathered under its banners. This youth will win not only because it is well armed; it will win because it is young, because it represents a revolution, because it has mobilized powerful and dynamic forces that can no longer be resisted. The wheel of history can not be held back, not even by Mr. Churchill. In his more rational moments, he probably realizes that he is fighting for a lost cause, that his time is past, that he has no hope of catching up. He is in fact one of those people who always wants evil, but nonetheless does good. He gave our revolution the decisive final push. Were it not for him, it probably would have taken much more time to reach completion than it now will. In the end, we really have to thank him. Because of him, we will need only as many months to reach our goal as we otherwise would have needed in years, or even decades. There is no point in trying to convince him of that. He belongs to those stubborn people who can only be convinced by the facts. Let us bring about those facts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #7 September 16, 2006 Quoting speeches is so much fun. "Anybody who wants to harm American troops will be found and brought to justice. There are some that feel like if they attack us that we may decide to leave prematurely. They don't understand what they are talking about if that is the case. Let me finish. There are some who feel like the conditions are such that they can attack us there. My answer is, bring 'em on." Unfortunately an additional 2,000 American boys have died since he made that speech in 2003.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #8 September 16, 2006 Quote Quoting speeches is so much fun. "Anybody who wants to harm American troops will be found and brought to justice. There are some that feel like if they attack us that we may decide to leave prematurely. They don't understand what they are talking about if that is the case. Let me finish. There are some who feel like the conditions are such that they can attack us there. My answer is, bring 'em on." Unfortunately an additional 2,000 American boys have died since he made that speech in 2003. QuoteAnd to George W. Bush, we say, “You have asked us to ‘Bring it on’, and so have we. Like never expected. Have you another challenge?” media platoon of the Islamic Jihad Army.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #9 September 16, 2006 Goebbels was a better speaker by far. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbrown 26 #10 September 17, 2006 QuoteGoebbels was a better speaker by far. So sad in that it's probably true..... Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rasmack 0 #11 September 17, 2006 QuoteChurchill's Lie Factory by Joseph Goebbels ... Well, he was a good writer. Gotta give him that.HF #682, Team Dirty Sanchez #227 “I simply hate, detest, loathe, despise, and abhor redundancy.” - Not quite Oscar Wilde... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miked10270 0 #12 September 17, 2006 QuoteThe truth of what is really going on in Iraq brought to you in English by the media platoon of the Islamic Jihad Army. Stirring stuff. I would have been rather more persuaded by this if the "Iraqi Resistance" had been active during Saddam Hussein's rule. One wonders what the "Iraqi Resistance" reaction would be if The Coalition were to say: "Okay. Sorry. We should never have invaded. Give us a week to release the Ba'ath Party leadership, re-instate them and rearm them to the point before we invaded, then we'll leave and lift the sanctions! It'll be just like we were never here." Wouldn't this be the quickest way to rebuild a peaceful & stable Iraq?Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #13 September 17, 2006 Let's uninvade..... then maybe all the money that we're spending doing fuck all can be used to rebuild our health service that dick-head Blair has destroyed on his road to world domination with the chimp-man. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #14 September 17, 2006 QuoteQuoteThe truth of what is really going on in Iraq brought to you in English by the media platoon of the Islamic Jihad Army. Stirring stuff. I would have been rather more persuaded by this if the "Iraqi Resistance" had been active during Saddam Hussein's rule. One wonders what the "Iraqi Resistance" reaction would be if The Coalition were to say: "Okay. Sorry. We should never have invaded. Give us a week to release the Ba'ath Party leadership, re-instate them and rearm them to the point before we invaded, then we'll leave and lift the sanctions! It'll be just like we were never here." Wouldn't this be the quickest way to rebuild a peaceful & stable Iraq?Mike. Great idea!! Lets leave all the oil for AQ to take over so they can have money to fund larger terror projects. Heck, I'm sure they would appreciate it so much they would just give us a hug and a kiss and go back to being the peaceful muslims they were before the invasion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #15 September 17, 2006 So, it was about the oil all along then? (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #16 September 17, 2006 Yes and no. It isn't that we have to have it, it's who we don't want to have it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #17 September 17, 2006 That is at least an honest answer - (it also makes sense, in a perverse way) - It's a pity that our governments couldn't be that honest. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #18 September 17, 2006 QuoteSo, it was about the oil all along then? Oil was definitely a factor. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #19 September 17, 2006 QuoteQuoteSo, it was about the oil all along then? Oil was definitely a factor. Remember when you wrote this, on 3/2/2003? "I also get a kick out of those who whine about the cost of going to war and how much the long term cost will be. After the Gulf War in 1991, 80% of the 80 Billion the U.S. spent was reimbursed by Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. Remember, Iraq is not without natural resources. I'm sure going to enjoy filling up my SUV with that $.49 per gallon Iraqi oil. Hmmmm......... I kinda like that idea." Wow, you are so prescient. Bush's war has been really a bargain for the taxpayers, and those low gas prices...... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nerdgirl 0 #20 September 17, 2006 QuoteAmerican soldiers are being given the option of joining the Iraqi resistance. http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7468.htm It appears that the video was made and originally distributed over eighteen months ago: "the media platoon of the Islamic Jihad Army. On the 27th of Shawal 1425h. 10 December 2004." Note the dates on these websites as well: http://www.aljazira.it/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=368 & http://www.justpeaceqld.org/article.php?story=20050118173308932#comments. Is there any evidence to suggest that the message to US and British soldiers has been successful ? I wonder if those western European values of free press (e.g., the Danish cartoons that were reprinted in France, Italy & Spain) and the prohibition on wearing religious scarves in public schools in France were the type that the video's narrator intended to support? Marg Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters. Tibetan Buddhist saying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #21 September 17, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteSo, it was about the oil all along then? Oil was definitely a factor. Remember when you wrote this, on 3/2/2003? "I also get a kick out of those who whine about the cost of going to war and how much the long term cost will be. After the Gulf War in 1991, 80% of the 80 Billion the U.S. spent was reimbursed by Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. Remember, Iraq is not without natural resources. I'm sure going to enjoy filling up my SUV with that $.49 per gallon Iraqi oil. Hmmmm......... I kinda like that idea." Wow, you are so prescient. Bush's war has been really a bargain for the taxpayers, and those low gas prices... Apparently you missed the tongue in cheek nature of that post. Nice try though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #22 September 17, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteSo, it was about the oil all along then? Oil was definitely a factor. Remember when you wrote this, on 3/2/2003? "I also get a kick out of those who whine about the cost of going to war and how much the long term cost will be. After the Gulf War in 1991, 80% of the 80 Billion the U.S. spent was reimbursed by Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. Remember, Iraq is not without natural resources. I'm sure going to enjoy filling up my SUV with that $.49 per gallon Iraqi oil. Hmmmm......... I kinda like that idea." Wow, you are so prescient. Bush's war has been really a bargain for the taxpayers, and those low gas prices... Apparently you missed the tongue in cheek nature of that post. Nice try though. wiggle wiggle wiggle squirm. I don't think you fool anyone - wrong smiley on the original. www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=402438#402438... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #23 September 17, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteSo, it was about the oil all along then? Oil was definitely a factor. Remember when you wrote this, on 3/2/2003? "I also get a kick out of those who whine about the cost of going to war and how much the long term cost will be. After the Gulf War in 1991, 80% of the 80 Billion the U.S. spent was reimbursed by Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. Remember, Iraq is not without natural resources. I'm sure going to enjoy filling up my SUV with that $.49 per gallon Iraqi oil. Hmmmm......... I kinda like that idea." Wow, you are so prescient. Bush's war has been really a bargain for the taxpayers, and those low gas prices... Apparently you missed the tongue in cheek nature of that post. Nice try though. wiggle wiggle wiggle squirm. I don't think you fool anyone. Anyone reading the entire thread will realize you are trying to fool them. I will admit I was wrong about the long term cost as long as you will admit you had no clue either. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #24 September 17, 2006 Quote Anyone reading the entire thread will realize you are trying to fool them. I will admit I was wrong about the long term cost as long as you will admit you had no clue either. You don't have to admit anything, your posts are archived for all to read who are interested. I don't have to admit anything either. My posts are also archived for all to read who are interested. The interested reader will quickly discern who has been more accurate, from the WMD lies and the AQ connection lies in 2003, to the costs, all the way to the current quagmire.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Samurai136 0 #25 September 17, 2006 It does make for interesting reading."It's not about oil, it's about tax cuts". -GravityMaster March, 2003 I need some more popcorn while I search the database."Buttons aren't toys." - Trillian Ken Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
