Looks like the appeasement game...

[mnealtx 0]

...just came up craps....

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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[dorbie 0]

From the end of that article:

"The Americans have become harder to target domestically, so they are trying to widen the field of action and strike their allies,"

Now that's not something you hear every day. I thought we were supposed to be endangered by Bush Jr's war. I guess that quote won't make it into the Times or air on CNN.

Heck, if we're endangering the French let's invade a few more countries.

[Frenchy68 0]

Uh? Which appeasement game? I think France has been at least as active chasing terrorism as the US has been...

"For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return."

[mnealtx 0]

From the article:

"France's leader have repeatedly warned that the decision not to join the U.S.-led war in Iraq would not shield the country from Islamic terrorism. French participation in the U.N. peacekeeping mission in Lebanon could give extremists another reason to strike."

I wonder if Spain will see something like this in the near future?

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[Frenchy68 0]

Exactly. Not taking part in the war in iraq had nothing to do with trying to appease anyone. Muslim extremists' terrorism was present in France prior to 2001, still is, and will be. The war did not change anything.

"For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return."

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Exactly. Not taking part in the war in iraq had nothing to do with trying to appease anyone. Muslim extremists' terrorism was present in France prior to 2001, still is, and will be. The war did not change anything.

AQ offered a truce to European countries that withdrew their troops from Iraq. Since France didn't have any troops there, they should have been in the clear, shouldn't they?

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[Frenchy68 0]

If you say so, Mike, but you may be the only one. I'm not sure I'm buying your argument. Considering that prior to the invasion of the sand box, terrorists attempts were being foiled in Paris. Of all people, I am surprised you would play the game of "let's blame the French for whatever because they didn't go with us to Iraq".
French and US counter-terrorism forces have been (and still are) working very closely, and there has been some good results out of this cooperation. And if the FBI had paid any attention to what French intelligence had told them prior to 9/11 regarding Moussaoui, maybe there wouldn't be any need to blame others for the current apparent failure of the Iraq experiment.

"For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return."

[mnealtx 0]

I'm not saying that France is doing nothing to fight terrorism - only commenting on the fact that staying out of Iraq (as stated in AQ's truce to Europe) doesn't seem to be doing them any good.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[kallend 2,182]

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I'm not saying that France is doing nothing to fight terrorism - only commenting on the fact that staying out of Iraq (as stated in AQ's truce to Europe) doesn't seem to be doing them any good.

I fail to see that Iraq has any relevance at all to this. Bit of a reach, I'd say.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[Frenchy68 0]

But you somehow make it sound like the reason France stayed out of Iraq was to avoid AQ's wrath. Whereas France has always been a target of Muslim extremists, being AQ, GIA (not the Potty Mouthed Midget, but the Algerians...), etc...
The title of your thread infers that France did not go to Iraq to "appease" AQ, which is not the case.

"For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return."

[kallend 2,182]

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But you somehow make it sound like the reason France stayed out of Iraq was to avoid AQ's wrath. Whereas France has always been a target of Muslim extremists, being AQ, GIA (not the Potty Mouthed Midget, but the Algerians...), etc...
The title of your thread infers that France did not go to Iraq to "appease" AQ, which is not the case.

You forget that for Republicans, terrorism didn't exist prior to 9/11/2001

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

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You forget that for Republicans, terrorism didn't exist prior to 9/11/2001

And that for the Democrats, the Presidency was perfect before 1/1/2001, perhaps?

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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[Andy9o8 3]

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the Presidency was perfect before 1/1/2001, perhaps?

Nope. 1/20.

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But you somehow make it sound like the reason France stayed out of Iraq was to avoid AQ's wrath. Whereas France has always been a target of Muslim extremists, being AQ, GIA (not the Potty Mouthed Midget, but the Algerians...), etc...
The title of your thread infers that France did not go to Iraq to "appease" AQ, which is not the case.

You forget that for Republicans, terrorism didn't exist prior to 9/11/2001

Au contrere, it's been acutely present. I seem to remember at least 5 major attacks on the US prior to 9/11.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

[mr2mk1g 10]

No, no - he's referring to the 2,000 troops France has in Afghanistan and 3,000 naval personnel in the Indian Ocean, together with a nuclear aircraft carrier group, all fighting the war on terror by going after the Taliban and OBL.

Major appeasement there if you ask me... MAJOR.

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Side bar : AQ are not the only terrorist group (Middle East basewd or otherwise) .. so If France (for example) suffers an attack, you cann't assume that it was perp'ed by AQ.

(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[warpedskydiver 0]

You forget that for Republicans, terrorism didn't exist prior to 9/11/2001

[billvon 3,132]

>The Americans have become harder to target domestically . . .

Translation: we do a better job stopping terrorists domestically.

>I thought we were supposed to be endangered by Bush Jr's war.

We are. ("We" means americans, not just people living within our borders.) Fortunately, we've done a good job increasing our border security, so people here are, on average, no more at risk.

[shropshire 0]

Have you stopped people pouring in from Mexico then?

Or have there been no attacks inside the US...simply because there have been no attacks?


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(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

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>The Americans have become harder to target domestically . . .

Translation: we do a better job stopping terrorists domestically.

>I thought we were supposed to be endangered by Bush Jr's war.

We are. ("We" means americans, not just people living within our borders.) Fortunately, we've done a good job increasing our border security, so people here are, on average, no more at risk.

That's a stretch but if we could get teh Democratic nominee to admit that it would be plain sailing for the Republicans. Heck if we could get any Democratc to admit that it'd be game over.

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You forget that for Republicans, terrorism didn't exist prior to 9/11/2001

that is patently false