CanuckInUSA 0 #1 September 13, 2006 Another lunatic (it appears that there may have been more than one gunman) has gone on a rampage and killed at least four people and injured another sixteen in a post secondary college in Montreal Quebec. This is a developing story and may not be over yet. More can be read about it here. While I'm not a big fan of people arming themselves with handguns, but it looks like Canada's gun registry failed the public ... again. What a waste of money since it sure doesn't help save very many lives. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cameramonkey 0 #2 September 13, 2006 Gun laws really helped there didnt it? It helped keep the guns out of the criminals's hands? Nope. It helped to keep the local populous safe since they werent allowed to buy a gun legally, carry and be able defend themselves if they saw fit? yep. Criminals 1, law abiding folks 0. next thing ya know they'll be passing laws to outlaw bears biting and/or eating people. I predict that law will be equally effective.Two wrongs don't make a right, however three lefts DO! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DZJ 0 #3 September 13, 2006 How would guns in locals' hands make a difference to this situation, unless you'd like to have those guns in schools? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
craddock 0 #4 September 13, 2006 I don't understand your question. Is a gun carried by a responsible adult more dangerous in a College? That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cameramonkey 0 #5 September 13, 2006 QuoteHow would guns in locals' hands make a difference to this situation, unless you'd like to have those guns in schools? What people fail to realize, is its not always the "victim" that saves himself using a firearm... its usually an armed bystander that is able to step up since the police cant be everywhere at once. Guns in primary schools? Obviously not a good idea. Guns in adult centered education institutions? not so black and white. Its the armed citizens saving the day that generally dont make the news... Like the customer here in Indy several weeks ago that stopped a robbery when the restaurant he was eating in was robbed.Two wrongs don't make a right, however three lefts DO! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #6 September 13, 2006 Unless you have a loaded weapon at your side 24/7 and you are able to use it in a split second without hesitation, guns will not always be able to save you when a lunatic decides to attack. Case in point, there was an early morning shooting in Seattle earlier in the year and despite the fact that there was weapons in the house at the time, the victims were not able to defend themselves since their attacker attacked them without warning. So let's not turn this into another "guns are good ... no they aren't" thread other than to say that this is another case where the gun registry failed the people it was supposed to protect and why one asks? That's simple. Criminals aren't going to register their illegal firearms. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DZJ 0 #7 September 13, 2006 Btw, in the title you said 'another school shooting', have there been other school shootings recently? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #8 September 13, 2006 QuoteBtw, in the title you said 'another school shooting', have there been other school shootings recently? 14 engineering students were killed by Marc Lepine at the L'Ecole Polytechnique back in 1989. Oh and Lepine targeted women on his attack as all of his victims were female. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #9 September 13, 2006 all of his victims were female.*** All the dead were women. Several men were seriously injured, including a few close friends of mine.Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrewEckhardt 0 #10 September 13, 2006 QuoteHow would guns in locals' hands make a difference to this situation, unless you'd like to have those guns in schools? I think nearly every able-bodied school employee with a clean criminal record should be trained and carry a concealed firearm while working. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #11 September 13, 2006 Quote I would rather take my chances while armed thanks for your concern that we can't defend ourselves in the US, People in canada are far safer obviously. You should pass a few more laws or at least remind your reporters to keep blaming the US for your own violence. I heard a canadian reporter say "well of course he could have just gone to the US and traded drugs for any gun he wanted".CNN Wow just anywhere here in the US? he would also have been a criminal at that point. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,148 #12 September 13, 2006 QuoteQuoteHow would guns in locals' hands make a difference to this situation, unless you'd like to have those guns in schools? I think nearly every able-bodied school employee with a clean criminal record should be trained and carry a concealed firearm while working. As an able-bodied school employee with a clean record and who has received firearms training, I would not only resist any compulsion to do that, I would state that it is a really dumb idea.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,148 #13 September 14, 2006 QuoteQuote I would rather take my chances while armed thanks for your concern that we can't defend ourselves in the US, People in canada are far safer obviously. Well, in the US you are more than 3 times as likely to be a homicide victim as in Canada, so it looks like you are correct. People in Canada ARE safer.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DrewEckhardt 0 #14 September 14, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuote I would rather take my chances while armed thanks for your concern that we can't defend ourselves in the US, People in canada are far safer obviously. Well, in the US you are more than 3 times as likely to be a homicide victim as in Canada, so it looks like you are correct. People in Canada ARE safer. Provided that they have an average chance of being non-white and living anywhere in the country. There may not be a difference for white people when you limit comparisons to similar geographic areas. To use numbers from"Handgun regulations, crime, assaults, and homicide: A tale of two cities." by Kellermen et. al as a white guy in Seattle my chances of being murdered (6.2 per 100K in 1980-1986) are about the same as a white guy in Vancouver (6.4 per 100K). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,148 #15 September 14, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote I would rather take my chances while armed thanks for your concern that we can't defend ourselves in the US, People in canada are far safer obviously. Well, in the US you are more than 3 times as likely to be a homicide victim as in Canada, so it looks like you are correct. People in Canada ARE safer. Provided that they have an average chance of being non-white and living anywhere in the country. There may not be a difference for white people when you limit comparisons to similar geographic areas. To use numbers from"Handgun regulations, crime, assaults, and homicide: A tale of two cities." by Kellermen et. al as a white guy in Seattle my chances of being murdered (6.2 per 100K in 1980-1986) are about the same as a white guy in Vancouver (6.4 per 100K). Yup, it's all about you, the others don't count as people, and 20 year old data are just fine.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Cudlo 0 #16 September 14, 2006 Well.. if the rules and regulations in Canada make people not murder eachother, the US should just send every violent criminal to Canada because they will obviously not commit violent crimes up there right? Its not the guns, knives, or even bombs... its the people. We just have alot of.. hrm.. politically correct... erm.. misunderstood people in our country who feel the need to act out on their frustration._________________________________________ "People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid." - Kierkegaard Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #17 September 19, 2006 QuoteAnother lunatic (it appears that there may have been more than one gunman) has gone on a rampage and killed at least four people and injured another sixteen... And he did it with registered guns. Gee, that gun registry sure did a bang-up job of stopping this attack! And now there is the odd irony of the anti-gun folks trying to use this incident as a reason for the new PM to not eliminate the long gun registry, as he has promised. This is ironic, because they're using an example of the failure of the registry, as a reason for it's continued existance. Go figure. Such is the logic of the anti-gun folks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. 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kallend 2,148 #12 September 13, 2006 QuoteQuoteHow would guns in locals' hands make a difference to this situation, unless you'd like to have those guns in schools? I think nearly every able-bodied school employee with a clean criminal record should be trained and carry a concealed firearm while working. As an able-bodied school employee with a clean record and who has received firearms training, I would not only resist any compulsion to do that, I would state that it is a really dumb idea.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #13 September 14, 2006 QuoteQuote I would rather take my chances while armed thanks for your concern that we can't defend ourselves in the US, People in canada are far safer obviously. Well, in the US you are more than 3 times as likely to be a homicide victim as in Canada, so it looks like you are correct. People in Canada ARE safer.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DrewEckhardt 0 #14 September 14, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuote I would rather take my chances while armed thanks for your concern that we can't defend ourselves in the US, People in canada are far safer obviously. Well, in the US you are more than 3 times as likely to be a homicide victim as in Canada, so it looks like you are correct. People in Canada ARE safer. Provided that they have an average chance of being non-white and living anywhere in the country. There may not be a difference for white people when you limit comparisons to similar geographic areas. To use numbers from"Handgun regulations, crime, assaults, and homicide: A tale of two cities." by Kellermen et. al as a white guy in Seattle my chances of being murdered (6.2 per 100K in 1980-1986) are about the same as a white guy in Vancouver (6.4 per 100K). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,148 #15 September 14, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote I would rather take my chances while armed thanks for your concern that we can't defend ourselves in the US, People in canada are far safer obviously. Well, in the US you are more than 3 times as likely to be a homicide victim as in Canada, so it looks like you are correct. People in Canada ARE safer. Provided that they have an average chance of being non-white and living anywhere in the country. There may not be a difference for white people when you limit comparisons to similar geographic areas. To use numbers from"Handgun regulations, crime, assaults, and homicide: A tale of two cities." by Kellermen et. al as a white guy in Seattle my chances of being murdered (6.2 per 100K in 1980-1986) are about the same as a white guy in Vancouver (6.4 per 100K). Yup, it's all about you, the others don't count as people, and 20 year old data are just fine.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Cudlo 0 #16 September 14, 2006 Well.. if the rules and regulations in Canada make people not murder eachother, the US should just send every violent criminal to Canada because they will obviously not commit violent crimes up there right? Its not the guns, knives, or even bombs... its the people. We just have alot of.. hrm.. politically correct... erm.. misunderstood people in our country who feel the need to act out on their frustration._________________________________________ "People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid." - Kierkegaard Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #17 September 19, 2006 QuoteAnother lunatic (it appears that there may have been more than one gunman) has gone on a rampage and killed at least four people and injured another sixteen... And he did it with registered guns. Gee, that gun registry sure did a bang-up job of stopping this attack! And now there is the odd irony of the anti-gun folks trying to use this incident as a reason for the new PM to not eliminate the long gun registry, as he has promised. This is ironic, because they're using an example of the failure of the registry, as a reason for it's continued existance. Go figure. Such is the logic of the anti-gun folks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
DrewEckhardt 0 #14 September 14, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuote I would rather take my chances while armed thanks for your concern that we can't defend ourselves in the US, People in canada are far safer obviously. Well, in the US you are more than 3 times as likely to be a homicide victim as in Canada, so it looks like you are correct. People in Canada ARE safer. Provided that they have an average chance of being non-white and living anywhere in the country. There may not be a difference for white people when you limit comparisons to similar geographic areas. To use numbers from"Handgun regulations, crime, assaults, and homicide: A tale of two cities." by Kellermen et. al as a white guy in Seattle my chances of being murdered (6.2 per 100K in 1980-1986) are about the same as a white guy in Vancouver (6.4 per 100K). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,148 #15 September 14, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote I would rather take my chances while armed thanks for your concern that we can't defend ourselves in the US, People in canada are far safer obviously. Well, in the US you are more than 3 times as likely to be a homicide victim as in Canada, so it looks like you are correct. People in Canada ARE safer. Provided that they have an average chance of being non-white and living anywhere in the country. There may not be a difference for white people when you limit comparisons to similar geographic areas. To use numbers from"Handgun regulations, crime, assaults, and homicide: A tale of two cities." by Kellermen et. al as a white guy in Seattle my chances of being murdered (6.2 per 100K in 1980-1986) are about the same as a white guy in Vancouver (6.4 per 100K). Yup, it's all about you, the others don't count as people, and 20 year old data are just fine.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Cudlo 0 #16 September 14, 2006 Well.. if the rules and regulations in Canada make people not murder eachother, the US should just send every violent criminal to Canada because they will obviously not commit violent crimes up there right? Its not the guns, knives, or even bombs... its the people. We just have alot of.. hrm.. politically correct... erm.. misunderstood people in our country who feel the need to act out on their frustration._________________________________________ "People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid." - Kierkegaard Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #17 September 19, 2006 QuoteAnother lunatic (it appears that there may have been more than one gunman) has gone on a rampage and killed at least four people and injured another sixteen... And he did it with registered guns. Gee, that gun registry sure did a bang-up job of stopping this attack! And now there is the odd irony of the anti-gun folks trying to use this incident as a reason for the new PM to not eliminate the long gun registry, as he has promised. This is ironic, because they're using an example of the failure of the registry, as a reason for it's continued existance. Go figure. Such is the logic of the anti-gun folks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
kallend 2,148 #15 September 14, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote I would rather take my chances while armed thanks for your concern that we can't defend ourselves in the US, People in canada are far safer obviously. Well, in the US you are more than 3 times as likely to be a homicide victim as in Canada, so it looks like you are correct. People in Canada ARE safer. Provided that they have an average chance of being non-white and living anywhere in the country. There may not be a difference for white people when you limit comparisons to similar geographic areas. To use numbers from"Handgun regulations, crime, assaults, and homicide: A tale of two cities." by Kellermen et. al as a white guy in Seattle my chances of being murdered (6.2 per 100K in 1980-1986) are about the same as a white guy in Vancouver (6.4 per 100K). Yup, it's all about you, the others don't count as people, and 20 year old data are just fine.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Cudlo 0 #16 September 14, 2006 Well.. if the rules and regulations in Canada make people not murder eachother, the US should just send every violent criminal to Canada because they will obviously not commit violent crimes up there right? Its not the guns, knives, or even bombs... its the people. We just have alot of.. hrm.. politically correct... erm.. misunderstood people in our country who feel the need to act out on their frustration._________________________________________ "People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid." - Kierkegaard Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #17 September 19, 2006 QuoteAnother lunatic (it appears that there may have been more than one gunman) has gone on a rampage and killed at least four people and injured another sixteen... And he did it with registered guns. Gee, that gun registry sure did a bang-up job of stopping this attack! And now there is the odd irony of the anti-gun folks trying to use this incident as a reason for the new PM to not eliminate the long gun registry, as he has promised. This is ironic, because they're using an example of the failure of the registry, as a reason for it's continued existance. Go figure. Such is the logic of the anti-gun folks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
Cudlo 0 #16 September 14, 2006 Well.. if the rules and regulations in Canada make people not murder eachother, the US should just send every violent criminal to Canada because they will obviously not commit violent crimes up there right? Its not the guns, knives, or even bombs... its the people. We just have alot of.. hrm.. politically correct... erm.. misunderstood people in our country who feel the need to act out on their frustration._________________________________________ "People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid." - Kierkegaard Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #17 September 19, 2006 QuoteAnother lunatic (it appears that there may have been more than one gunman) has gone on a rampage and killed at least four people and injured another sixteen... And he did it with registered guns. Gee, that gun registry sure did a bang-up job of stopping this attack! And now there is the odd irony of the anti-gun folks trying to use this incident as a reason for the new PM to not eliminate the long gun registry, as he has promised. This is ironic, because they're using an example of the failure of the registry, as a reason for it's continued existance. Go figure. Such is the logic of the anti-gun folks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
