almost time for the end of the world.

[billvon 3,132]

>Does your timeline include the relativistic time distortion
>caused by the gravitational field of the black holes?

When you're talking about the sort of black holes that are in danger of evaporating due to Hawking radiation, the gravitational field falls off so fast that it's not a factor more than a few meters from the hole.

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>Does your timeline include the relativistic time distortion
>caused by the gravitational field of the black holes?

When you're talking about the sort of black holes that are in danger of evaporating due to Hawking radiation, the gravitational field falls off so fast that it's not a factor more than a few meters from the hole.

Typical NIMBY attitude!

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[billvon 3,132]

>and since this is the SC -- here's what will cause it:
>http://www.theonion.com/content/node/52331

Life imitating art:

Bush Tells Group He Sees a 'Third Awakening'
Wednesday, September 13, 2006; Page A05

President Bush said yesterday that he senses a "Third Awakening" of religious devotion in the United States that has coincided with the nation's struggle with international terrorists, a war that he depicted as "a confrontation between good and evil."

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"A lot of people in America see this as a confrontation between good and evil, including me," Bush said during a 1 1/2 -hour Oval Office conversation on cultural changes and a battle with terrorists that he sees lasting decades.

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So...

when can we expect the donation of all your worldly good to the nearest DZ?

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For believers these are very exciting times as there are a few things that are quite apparent regarding prophecies and the state of the world.

excited that all the "unbelievers' will be put in hell? Where is the sorrow as Jesus wept for unrepentent Jerusalem. I just don't get some "christians".
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That's how you interpret exitement ? .............Exited about Jesus returning so we can and play and laugh and jump to infinty , not to conclusions

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The events alone of the past fifty years should speak volumes to anyone who knows anything about the Bible. Within the past fifty years, we have seen a lot of prophecies (God's promises) fulfilled. To name a few...

The rise of the European Union - the world's last great empire (Daniel 7:7, Revelation 13)
Who says it is the LAST, and as far as I can tell USA still is a greater empire.

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Rise = growing/expanding and is not complete at this stage ... get your popcorn and coke and kick back

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Personal identification chips - now used widely (Revelation 13:16-18)
yeah, they use them in Soth America, Central America, Africa, China, geesh. Do all of you fundies think every place is like USA?

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yaaawwwnn .... it's the concept itself

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Instantaneous worldwide communication (Revelation 11:9-10) see above - my fellow pastor Sherman Lion is not getting CNN in the rain forest of CR.

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Ever heard about wireless internet ? comminications are expanding right now ...take a walk

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Jerusalem - a source of worldwide contention (Zechariah 12:2-3) Yeah, that's big news -- been that way ... forever.

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...thanks for confirming that.

The Jewish Temple ready for rebuilding, and sacrifices resuming (Daniel 9:27) I think the Muslims who control the holy mount will have something to say about that.

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i'm sure you've said some stuff in your life 2 ... and your point is ?

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A decline in the moral behavior of society (2 Timothy 3:1-5) again, not news -- been declining ... forever.

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Terrible catastrophes and natural devastation increasing (Luke 21:25-26) weather is cyclical, yes, it may be greater this decade, but who really knows about weather 1000 years ago?

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they didn't skydive 1000 back so weather back then was irrelevant

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But before that, the Lord Jesus spoke of a time of great trouble that would come upon the earth (Mat 24:21, "For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be"). Many theologians believe Matt 25 refers to the mini apocolypse (the destruction of Jerusalem and the dispertion of the Jews.

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They can believe what they want to so can you and me.

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Halfway through the seven year period, the Antichrist
ths term is always plural when used in the NT. You have to marry that term "antichrist" with "the man of lawlessness" to get a singular "antichrist" Jesus said you are either "with me" or "against me" in other words you are either a christian or an antichrist. Either hot or cold.

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makes sense to me.

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(the head of the EU) will turn his back on the agreement and stop the sacrifices (Daniel 11:30) . He will sit in the Jewish Temple, and proclaim himself to be God (2 Thessalonians 2:3-4), and cause as many as would not worship him to be killed (Revelation 13:15). He will deceive the whole world, as Satan will enable him to do great "lying wonders", such as call fire down from heaven (Revelation 13:13-14). You've read too many Tim Lahayes' book. I'm sure his accountant appreciates that.

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wow now that's gonna be a show ...mmmmmmm...popcorn

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The Antichrist will then gather his armies, along with all the armies of the world for the "final solution", to take control of Jerusalem by force, and wipe out the Jews once and for all (Joel 3:2). As the seven year period comes to a close, the Lord Jesus Christ will return with the armies of heaven, to defeat the Antichrist and his armies and save Jerusalem, and set up His kingdom on earth (Revelation 19). Christ, the prince of peace, leading an actual war. What about his message of peace? What about Paul's admonishment that we do not fight against flesh and blood?? Can good overcome evil by force? Hardly. If THAT is the Christ of the NT, I want no part of him. Thank God it is not.

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So as you can see, if what the Bible was one hundred percent accurate about what we see happening around us now, we really need to do something now in order to prepare for what the Bible says is still to occur. buy more Lahayes' books?

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John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life. according to you - the 'world" that Jesus loves doesn't include those who fight against him in your "final battle"

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"that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish"

whatever happens ....

Come on weekend move your ass this way !

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President Bush said yesterday that he senses a "Third Awakening" of religious devotion in the United States that has coincided with the nation's struggle with international terrorists, a war that he depicted as "a confrontation between good and evil."

Fuck. It seems GWB is determined to turn the war on terror into a crusade.

If any of this end times shit actually happens it will be because religious nut jobs like this make it happen. A self-fulfilling prophecy. All these religious types, rapture ready and misty eyed at the thought of armageddon scare the crap out of me. And they say religion is a good thing, WTF?

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President Bush said yesterday that he senses a "Third Awakening" of religious devotion in the United States that has coincided with the nation's struggle with international terrorists, a war that he depicted as "a confrontation between good and evil."

So many people are addressing the prophecies and predictions as a whole , while there will be many specifice factors , people and events that will and are playing out to a tee as predicted in the Bible ...

Try not to see religion as the main factor it's only a small part of it all in the end there are many people who do not belong to any specific religion or even go to church as such but they believe in the Bible , God , Jesus and the Holy Spirit because they have given their lives to Jesus Christ at some point and experience his work in their life daily .... the Word of God (Bible) is the only Truth nothing compares with it or even comes close to its authentic nature.

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Try not to see religion as the main factor it's only a small part of it all in the end there are many people who do not belong to any specific religion or even go to church as such but they believe in the Bible , God , Jesus and the Holy Spirit because they have given their lives to Jesus Christ at some point and experience his work in their life daily .... the Word of God (Bible) is the only Truth nothing compares with it or even comes close to its authentic nature.

Are you listening to yourself? You basically just said "religion isn't the main factor in religion". You folks honestly baffle the fuck out of me.

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Try not to see religion( refering to sects or factions united by common interests or beliefs in God of the Bible ) as the main factor it's only a small part of it all in the end there are many people who do not belong to any specific religion or even go to church as such but they believe in the Bible , God , Jesus and the Holy Spirit because they have given their lives to Jesus Christ at some point and experience his work in their life daily .... the Word of God (Bible) is the only Truth nothing compares with it or even comes close to its authentic nature.

Are you listening to yourself? You basically just said "religion isn't the main factor in religion".

...ok i'm refering to sects or factions united by common interests or beliefs in God of the Bible - to many ceremonies,traditions ,customs and detail - but they all have one thing in common - the Word of God (Bible)
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>and since this is the SC -- here's what will cause it:
>http://www.theonion.com/content/node/52331

Life imitating art:

Bush Tells Group He Sees a 'Third Awakening'
Wednesday, September 13, 2006; Page A05

President Bush said yesterday that he senses a "Third Awakening" of religious devotion in the United States that has coincided with the nation's struggle with international terrorists, a war that he depicted as "a confrontation between good and evil."

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"A lot of people in America see this as a confrontation between good and evil, including me," Bush said during a 1 1/2 -hour Oval Office conversation on cultural changes and a battle with terrorists that he sees lasting decades.

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The signs are everywhere !!!!

If at first, the idea is not absurd, then there is no hope for it

[JackC 0]

No seriously, WTF are you talking about?

[hairyjuan 0]

laughter is the best medicine!

video.google/videoplay&docid=8075724674317499248&q=jesus+the+mucical&pr=goog-sl

and while we're at it----BEND A SPOON FOR WORLD PEACE


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The Antichrist will then gather his armies, along with all the armies of the world for the "final solution", to take control of Jerusalem by force, and wipe out the Jews once and for all (Joel 3:2). As the seven year period comes to a close, the Lord Jesus Christ will return with the armies of heaven, to defeat the Antichrist and his armies and save Jerusalem, and set up His kingdom on earth (Revelation 19).

Christ, the prince of peace, leading an actual war. What about his message of peace? What about Paul's admonishment that we do not fight against flesh and blood?? Can good overcome evil by force? Hardly. If THAT is the Christ of the NT, I want no part of him. Thank God it is not.

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You fundies slay me. you take apocolyptic literature and parables as literal, and ignore emiprical statements made by Christ that are meant to be literal such as Matthew 26:52, But Jesus said to him, “Put your sword in its place, for all who take the sword will perish by the sword."

steveOrino

[SpeedRacer 1]

well, the world will end by a week from tomorrow, so you guys had better get this thing all sorted out.


Last day of the year for the Jewish calendar is Friday night, sep 22. Might as well party. You won't have to worry about a hangover the next day.

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the mayan calendar gives us a few more years....new age believers say the end is coming on Dec 21, 2012

An end of a Baktun (144,000 day cycle)happens here, the End of this Fourth world happens October 13, 4772.

"new-age" is just the new-generation way to apply Barnum Theory.

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NO STONE UNTURNED
Dan Barker

I have an Easter challenge for Christians.

My challenge is simply this: tell me what happened on easter.

I am not asking for proof. My straightforward request is merely that Christians tell me exactly what happened on the day their most important doctrine was born.

Believers should eagerly take up this challenge, since without the resurection, there is no Christianity. Paul wrote, "And if Christ be not risen, then our preaching is in vain, and your faith is also in vain. Yea, and we are found false witnesses of
God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not." I Cor. 15:3-8.

These 165 verses can be read in afew moments. Then, without omitting a single detail from these seperate accounts, write a simple chronological narrative of the events between the resurrection and the ascension: what happened first, second, and so on; who sais what, when; and where these things happened.

Since the gospels do not always give specific times of day, it is permissible to make educated guesses. The narrative does not have to present a perfect picture- it only needs to give at least one plausible account of all the facts. Additional explanation of the narrative may be set apart in parentheses. The important condition to the challenge, however, is that not one single biblical detail be omitted. Fair enough?

I should admit that I have tried this myself. I failed. An Assembly of God minister whom I was debating a coupleof years ago on a Florida talk show loudly proclaimed over the air that he would send me the narrative in a few days. I am still waiting. After my debate at the University of Wisconsin, "Jesus of Nazereth: Messiah or Myth," a Lutheran graduate student told me he accepted the challenge and would be contacting me in about a week. I have never heard from him. Both of these people, and others, agreed that the request was reasonable and CRUCIAL. Maybe they are slow readers.

Many biblestoriesare given onlyonce or twice, and are therefore hard to confirm. The author of Matthew, for example, was the only one to mention that at the crucifition dead people emerged from the graves of Jerusalem, walking around showing themselves to everyone-- an amazing event that could hardly escape the notice of the other gospel writers, or any other historians of the period. But though the silence of others might weaken the likelihood of a story it does not disprove it. Disconfirmation arises with contradictions.

Thomas Paine tackled this matter 200 years ago in the Age of Reason, stumbling across dozens of New Testament discrepancies: I lay it down as a position which cannot be controverted, first that the agreement of all the parts of a story does not prove that story to be true, because the parts may agree and the whole may be false; secondly, that the disagreement of the parts of the story proves that the whole cannot be true.

Since Easter is toldby five different writers, it gives us one of the best chances to confirm or disconfirm the account. Christians should welcome the opportunity....



...Thomas Paine points out that everything in the bible is hearsay. For example, the message at the tomb(if it happened at all) took this path , at minimum, before it got to our eyes: God, angel(s), Mary, disciples, gospel writers, copyists, translators. (The gospels are all anonymous and we have NO original versions.)

But first things first: Christians, either tell me exactly what happened on Easter Sunday, or lets leave the Jesus myth buried next to Eastre(Ishtar, Astarte), the pagan(pre Christian) Goddess of Spring after whom your holiday was named.

this article was copied and distrubuted around the country in many different forms. A lot of readers sent it to their area ministers and priests. Only two attempts at accepting the challenge were made and neither one of them kept to the terms, preferring to pick and chose particular contrdictions to explain(exegete). Dan Barker is the public relations director for the Freedom From Religion Foundation, Madison, Wisconsin


the complete article can be had in THE BOOK YOUR CHURH DOESN'T WANT YOU TO READ, ISBN0-939040-15-8


Can You complete this challenge, Steveo? Sound to me like others as 'well educated' as you have not been sucessful.




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Christ, the prince of peace, leading an actual war. What about his message of peace? What about Paul's admonishment that we do not fight against flesh and blood?? Can good overcome evil by force? Hardly. If THAT is the Christ of the NT, I want no part of him. Thank God it is not.

I've got to ask you, what do you consider the Book of Revelation to be about?

Let's start with the word revelation.

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Abbe Giovanna Caselli destroyed the world over 150 years ago. Where's that predicted in scripture?

Owned by Remi #?

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Good question Royd !

Steveo >> Revelations is part of the Bible and no matter how you interpret it does not spell peace but full blown war and the end of the world as we know it...if not show me where the fun loving part is please..

If at first, the idea is not absurd, then there is no hope for it

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Ok. got to pipe in on this thread. If you want to take alook that makes alot of sense ask a Seventh day adventist for a copy of National Sunday law..it really blew me away...puts everything as simple as God would have wanted it. Think about it. When did the Sabbath get changed to Sunday... the Jews have the same father God as Christians...the seventh day He rested so as shall thee. Problem is i feel guilty as hell since i usually have to work saturday to get double time sunday

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Good question Royd !

Steveo >> Revelations is part of the Bible and no matter how you interpret it does not spell peace but full blown war and the end of the world as we know it...if not show me where the fun loving part is please..

You see it that way because you do not understand apocalyptic writing. The biblical writer writes to his generation. John was writing to encourage those early Christians who were being tortured and punished by Rome. He encouraged them to take heart that God has overcome the evil of this world through Christ's death and resurrection. He used images of war and battles to convey evil (in this case, Roman oppression) was defeated by Christ (as JC said, "It is finished" as Paul Said, "Grave/death where is your sting?")

Apocalypic writing often uses images of war. In a sense there was war, but it was not fought by convential forces. To the Christian victory is brought by remaining true to Christ's teachings. (Fighting a literal battle to "defeat" evil is not in Christ's teaching.

This view of Revelation stood for almost two thousand centuries. Near the end of the 1800s a the premillennial view, although new, became more popular. With the advent of revivals and then televangelist the latter view caught on like wildfire. My sorrow is it is not only a misinterpretation of scripture, but it contradicts the teachings of JC.

A good book to read would be "A Common Sense Approach to Revelation" by Dr. M. Strong (Warner Press)

steveOrino

[SpeedRacer 1]

Thanks for posting that!

I've tried to explain something similar to the fundies before, but it never seems to take.

They'd rather turn Revelation & other prophetic books into a sort of magical, weekly-world-news-style, psychic prediction kind of thing.

Unfortunately too many people have been making way too much money selling this pseudo-religious snake oil to gullible believers. Each one twists the Bible to suit the current events of the time, using hidden codes or numerology to "prove" that they're living in the end times.

History of failed apocalyptic predictions can be found here:http://www.religioustolerance.org/end_wrld.htm some Bible based, some not.

despite all the failures, they're not giving up.

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[hairyjuan 0]

Inspired Words of God

question: Can a document, tampered with by kings, tyrants, fools and scholars be the 'true' inspired word of god?

The Revised Standard Version of the boble published in1952, is an authorized revision of the American standard Version, Published in 1901, which was a revision of the King James Version, published in 1611.

The following are all inspired versions of the New Testament, many with glaring contradictions. These do not include the many versions of the Bible itself.

* The New Testament of Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, American Bible Union Version ( John A. Broadus et al)

* The New Testament(Henry Alford)

* Good News for Modern Man

* The New Testament in Basic English

* The New Testament in the Language of today(Wm F. Beck)

*The Berkeley New Testament (Gerrit Verkuyl)

* The New Testament: An American Translation (Edgar J. Goodspeed)

* The New Tesament in the Tranlation of Monsignor Ronald Knox

* The New Testament According to the Eastern Texts( George M. Lamsa)

* The New Testament ; a New Translation (James Moffat)

* The Centenary Translation: The New Testament in Modern English( Helen Barret Montegomery)

* The New American Standard Bible: New Testament

* The New English Bible: New Testament

* The New Testament A new transslation(Olaf M. Norlie)

*The New Testament in Modern English

* The Emphasized New Testament: A new translation.

* The Twentieth Century New Testament

* The New Testament in Modern Speech

* The New Testament: a translation in the language of the people.


FOOTNOTE: King James was A known homosexual, pagan who routinely severely abused his cohorts.

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[dzolloyd 0]

Question: Are you really a skydiver or do you just like to come on here and try to stir shit? Where do you jump? And if you don't believe, so be it. Why are you trying to convince others differently?

GET SOME, altitude!