Scoop 0 #1 September 9, 2006 It says in the description that they are private miltary corporation What do they do and do they do anything except piss of the people of Iraq? http://www.youtube.com/watch?search=&mode=related&v=VF2NvPMSrTg Although I have to admit the bit at 3:40secs above the rooftop is cool. Some crazy flying skills too Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NWFlyer 2 #2 September 9, 2006 If they told you they'd have to kill you. I've already said too much. "There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Scoop 0 #3 September 9, 2006 I've looked them up since and they look like some private security firm renting themselves out to people in Iraq. Seem to have strepped straight out of a 5.11 catalogue. With idiots like that around is it any wonder they get pissed off with us? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NWFlyer 2 #4 September 9, 2006 And you posted these feelings Bonfire because ?????"There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites stayhigh 2 #5 September 9, 2006 Who the hell are these guys? Is it even legal to go there and fly around and shoot at random stuff? Who pays them? What are the rule of engagement to these guys? It make them look more like high funded terrorist than a legitimate soldier to meBernie Sanders for President 2016 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Scoop 0 #6 September 9, 2006 I found another one too. Shooting at anything that moves. Seems like no rules of engagement and no accountability. Cunts. As one of the comments says, maybe ex soldiers chasing a fast buck and a thrill http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZDcTDetTS4&mode=related&search= Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Scoop 0 #7 September 9, 2006 QuoteAnd you posted these feelings Bonfire because ????? *sigh* Sorry Mum. Didn't realise it was your problem Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites stayhigh 2 #8 September 9, 2006 They make it look like playing on counter strike! Do they get paid alot?Bernie Sanders for President 2016 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Scoop 0 #9 September 9, 2006 I'd guess so. I don't know but I believe most private firms out there are charging extortionate rates. I just didn't realise these type of cowboys were out there too Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites stayhigh 2 #10 September 9, 2006 what ever happen to "one shot one kill", they just spray the bullet and barely gets couple man. I kinda wanna do it so I can pay for my jump ticket. Kidding/semi-serious. I don't have job right nowBernie Sanders for President 2016 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NWFlyer 2 #11 September 9, 2006 QuoteQuoteAnd you posted these feelings Bonfire because ????? *sigh* Sorry Mum. Didn't realise it was your problem It's not ... just warning of the inevitable move to SC. QuoteI just didn't realise these type of cowboys were out there too Then you haven't been paying attention. You might be surprised who is doing these jobs. "There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Scoop 0 #12 September 9, 2006 I think I'd be more surprised whos funding them. A private militia independent of the coalition with seemingly the ability to do what they want. Hmmmmmmmmmm, makes you think huh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Scoop 0 #13 September 9, 2006 According to their website you have to be ex-military with no morals. Then if you join you can pretend to be special forces Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites stayhigh 2 #14 September 9, 2006 Found another, don't know how to make it into clicky. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94ZHtAlcHlE can someone tell me how to make it into clicky? PM meBernie Sanders for President 2016 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites swedishcelt 0 #15 September 9, 2006 QuoteAccording to their website you have to be ex-military with no morals. Then if you join you can pretend to be special forcesOh dear. You do realize we have dz.commers who work for them don't you? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Scoop 0 #16 September 9, 2006 No, maybe they could explain what they do because the videos don't paint a very good picture. I understand the private security stuff, defending positions but not entirely sure about the shooting from helicopters and sniping. Just seems a bit.... wrong. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites stayhigh 2 #17 September 9, 2006 Their web site looks pretty legit. so I wanna send in my resume. me, years of gameing experience on ps2 So-Com 1,2,and 3. Basic Combat training Ft.Knox. Willing to pull trigger for money. Will pull trigger for money. But I hate being in 100 degree and above so, I guess I'm out.Bernie Sanders for President 2016 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Squeak 17 #18 September 10, 2006 Quote[ Then you haven't been paying attention. You might be surprised who is doing these jobs. Where's Clay?You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #19 September 10, 2006 QuoteQuote[ Then you haven't been paying attention. You might be surprised who is doing these jobs. Where's Clay? probably holding his mattress down, if he is lucky. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites redlegphi 0 #20 September 10, 2006 In short, they're mercenaries hired by the US Gov't for security jobs (usually personnel, base, or convoy security). If you remember back to 2004, the original Fallujah flareup happened when 4 Blackwater contractors got ambushed while they were off on their own in Fallujah and strung-up on a bridge, which brought to the public's attention just how nasty Fallujah was. Reaction to these guys from people still in the services has been mixed in my experience. They tend to get paid better than regular Soldiers, so alot of Soldiers wonder why they don't scrap the Blackwater mercs and just pay us better. On the other hand, can't fault a guy for taking a better paying job if he can get it. You can certainly fault them if they're running around the battlefield doing illegal nonsense and making the war more difficult to fight by pissing off the locals, but I'm really not sure how much that goes on. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites micro 0 #21 September 10, 2006 they have a groovy skydiving demo team. I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites nerdgirl 0 #22 September 10, 2006 QuoteIf you remember back to 2004, the original Fallujah flareup happened when 4 Blackwater contractors got ambushed while they were off on their own in Fallujah and strung-up on a bridge, which brought to the public's attention just how nasty Fallujah was. There's an interesting/provocative perspective on the Fallujah raid and Blackwater's impact on US military operations in a PBS Frontline documentary on contractors in Iraq, "Private Warriors" (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/warriors/). The voice that resonates most strongly and carries the most integrity (imho) ... and perhaps the most provocative ... was Marine COL John Toolan (active duty NOT retired) discussing how the military's strategic and tactical plans for Fallujah, as well as significant efforts to deal with the locals were completely interrupted and side-tracked after the four Blackwater security personnel were killed following the choices they made. COL Toolan discussed the pressure that the Marines came under to *react* in way that the Marines did not initially plan because of actions of private contractors. His own words -- as the guy who was there -- are more powerful: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/warriors/interviews/toolan.html. VR, marg Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters. Tibetan Buddhist saying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BIGUN 1,439 #23 September 10, 2006 QuoteThen if you join you can pretend to be special forces Most of them are former Special Forces, Ranger, Force Recon, Snipers, etc. Why they exist is a long story of which one may or may not agree; but they are a necessary entity.Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ryoder 1,590 #24 September 10, 2006 QuoteThey tend to get paid better than regular Soldiers, so alot of Soldiers wonder why they don't scrap the Blackwater mercs and just pay us better. Conspiracy theory: Since Blackwater is not part of the US govt, nor does it answer to the military chain of command, think about how convenient it could be for elements of the US govt to hire it to do covert jobs. If a black ops job using US govt people went haywire, it could cause the US great embarrassment. But if the same job was done by a private contractor, the US govt could shrug and say: "Hey, those were private citizens acting on their own". I haven't heard of this actually happening, but give the Dubya administrations history, it would surprise me more if this sort of thing didn't happen."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #25 September 10, 2006 I haven't heard of this actually happening, but give the Dubya administrations history, it would surprise me more if this sort of thing didn't happen. Quote they are a security contracting company nothing else, these stupid conspiracy theories are getting worse every time, i have personally dealt with blackwater in iraq and yes they can be cowboys from time to time and get out of hand if you don't keep a tight leash on them but it's not because they are hired to be, most of it stems from the fact that during the first two years of the war in iraq the majority of blackwater employees were ex seals, and if there's one thing seals are good at doing it's trying to make themselves look cool, which causes them to get out of line quite a bit. the administration actually threatened to revoke their contracts a few times if they didn't straighten themselves up and quit acting like they are anything more than a defensive tool, their job is to protect certain sites and escort important people nothing else. they may be trying to stem into some of the contracts to train iraqi police and such but i haven't gotten any confirmation of that yetHistory does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. 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NWFlyer 2 #2 September 9, 2006 If they told you they'd have to kill you. I've already said too much. "There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scoop 0 #3 September 9, 2006 I've looked them up since and they look like some private security firm renting themselves out to people in Iraq. Seem to have strepped straight out of a 5.11 catalogue. With idiots like that around is it any wonder they get pissed off with us? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NWFlyer 2 #4 September 9, 2006 And you posted these feelings Bonfire because ?????"There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stayhigh 2 #5 September 9, 2006 Who the hell are these guys? Is it even legal to go there and fly around and shoot at random stuff? Who pays them? What are the rule of engagement to these guys? It make them look more like high funded terrorist than a legitimate soldier to meBernie Sanders for President 2016 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scoop 0 #6 September 9, 2006 I found another one too. Shooting at anything that moves. Seems like no rules of engagement and no accountability. Cunts. As one of the comments says, maybe ex soldiers chasing a fast buck and a thrill http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZDcTDetTS4&mode=related&search= Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scoop 0 #7 September 9, 2006 QuoteAnd you posted these feelings Bonfire because ????? *sigh* Sorry Mum. Didn't realise it was your problem Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stayhigh 2 #8 September 9, 2006 They make it look like playing on counter strike! Do they get paid alot?Bernie Sanders for President 2016 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scoop 0 #9 September 9, 2006 I'd guess so. I don't know but I believe most private firms out there are charging extortionate rates. I just didn't realise these type of cowboys were out there too Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stayhigh 2 #10 September 9, 2006 what ever happen to "one shot one kill", they just spray the bullet and barely gets couple man. I kinda wanna do it so I can pay for my jump ticket. Kidding/semi-serious. I don't have job right nowBernie Sanders for President 2016 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NWFlyer 2 #11 September 9, 2006 QuoteQuoteAnd you posted these feelings Bonfire because ????? *sigh* Sorry Mum. Didn't realise it was your problem It's not ... just warning of the inevitable move to SC. QuoteI just didn't realise these type of cowboys were out there too Then you haven't been paying attention. You might be surprised who is doing these jobs. "There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scoop 0 #12 September 9, 2006 I think I'd be more surprised whos funding them. A private militia independent of the coalition with seemingly the ability to do what they want. Hmmmmmmmmmm, makes you think huh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scoop 0 #13 September 9, 2006 According to their website you have to be ex-military with no morals. Then if you join you can pretend to be special forces Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stayhigh 2 #14 September 9, 2006 Found another, don't know how to make it into clicky. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94ZHtAlcHlE can someone tell me how to make it into clicky? PM meBernie Sanders for President 2016 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
swedishcelt 0 #15 September 9, 2006 QuoteAccording to their website you have to be ex-military with no morals. Then if you join you can pretend to be special forcesOh dear. You do realize we have dz.commers who work for them don't you? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scoop 0 #16 September 9, 2006 No, maybe they could explain what they do because the videos don't paint a very good picture. I understand the private security stuff, defending positions but not entirely sure about the shooting from helicopters and sniping. Just seems a bit.... wrong. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stayhigh 2 #17 September 9, 2006 Their web site looks pretty legit. so I wanna send in my resume. me, years of gameing experience on ps2 So-Com 1,2,and 3. Basic Combat training Ft.Knox. Willing to pull trigger for money. Will pull trigger for money. But I hate being in 100 degree and above so, I guess I'm out.Bernie Sanders for President 2016 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #18 September 10, 2006 Quote[ Then you haven't been paying attention. You might be surprised who is doing these jobs. Where's Clay?You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #19 September 10, 2006 QuoteQuote[ Then you haven't been paying attention. You might be surprised who is doing these jobs. Where's Clay? probably holding his mattress down, if he is lucky. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redlegphi 0 #20 September 10, 2006 In short, they're mercenaries hired by the US Gov't for security jobs (usually personnel, base, or convoy security). If you remember back to 2004, the original Fallujah flareup happened when 4 Blackwater contractors got ambushed while they were off on their own in Fallujah and strung-up on a bridge, which brought to the public's attention just how nasty Fallujah was. Reaction to these guys from people still in the services has been mixed in my experience. They tend to get paid better than regular Soldiers, so alot of Soldiers wonder why they don't scrap the Blackwater mercs and just pay us better. On the other hand, can't fault a guy for taking a better paying job if he can get it. You can certainly fault them if they're running around the battlefield doing illegal nonsense and making the war more difficult to fight by pissing off the locals, but I'm really not sure how much that goes on. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
micro 0 #21 September 10, 2006 they have a groovy skydiving demo team. I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nerdgirl 0 #22 September 10, 2006 QuoteIf you remember back to 2004, the original Fallujah flareup happened when 4 Blackwater contractors got ambushed while they were off on their own in Fallujah and strung-up on a bridge, which brought to the public's attention just how nasty Fallujah was. There's an interesting/provocative perspective on the Fallujah raid and Blackwater's impact on US military operations in a PBS Frontline documentary on contractors in Iraq, "Private Warriors" (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/warriors/). The voice that resonates most strongly and carries the most integrity (imho) ... and perhaps the most provocative ... was Marine COL John Toolan (active duty NOT retired) discussing how the military's strategic and tactical plans for Fallujah, as well as significant efforts to deal with the locals were completely interrupted and side-tracked after the four Blackwater security personnel were killed following the choices they made. COL Toolan discussed the pressure that the Marines came under to *react* in way that the Marines did not initially plan because of actions of private contractors. His own words -- as the guy who was there -- are more powerful: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/warriors/interviews/toolan.html. VR, marg Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters. Tibetan Buddhist saying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,439 #23 September 10, 2006 QuoteThen if you join you can pretend to be special forces Most of them are former Special Forces, Ranger, Force Recon, Snipers, etc. Why they exist is a long story of which one may or may not agree; but they are a necessary entity.Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #24 September 10, 2006 QuoteThey tend to get paid better than regular Soldiers, so alot of Soldiers wonder why they don't scrap the Blackwater mercs and just pay us better. Conspiracy theory: Since Blackwater is not part of the US govt, nor does it answer to the military chain of command, think about how convenient it could be for elements of the US govt to hire it to do covert jobs. If a black ops job using US govt people went haywire, it could cause the US great embarrassment. But if the same job was done by a private contractor, the US govt could shrug and say: "Hey, those were private citizens acting on their own". I haven't heard of this actually happening, but give the Dubya administrations history, it would surprise me more if this sort of thing didn't happen."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #25 September 10, 2006 I haven't heard of this actually happening, but give the Dubya administrations history, it would surprise me more if this sort of thing didn't happen. Quote they are a security contracting company nothing else, these stupid conspiracy theories are getting worse every time, i have personally dealt with blackwater in iraq and yes they can be cowboys from time to time and get out of hand if you don't keep a tight leash on them but it's not because they are hired to be, most of it stems from the fact that during the first two years of the war in iraq the majority of blackwater employees were ex seals, and if there's one thing seals are good at doing it's trying to make themselves look cool, which causes them to get out of line quite a bit. the administration actually threatened to revoke their contracts a few times if they didn't straighten themselves up and quit acting like they are anything more than a defensive tool, their job is to protect certain sites and escort important people nothing else. they may be trying to stem into some of the contracts to train iraqi police and such but i haven't gotten any confirmation of that yetHistory does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
