Speakers Corner owes Karl Rove an apology?

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One Leak and a Flood of Silliness "Washington Post"

By David S. Broder
Thursday, September 7, 2006; A27

A few quotes,

"No one behaved well in the whole mess -- not Wilson, not Libby, not special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald and not the reporters involved."

"In fact, the prosecutor concluded that there was no crime; hence, no indictment. And we now know that the original "leak," in casual conversations with reporters Novak and Bob Woodward, came not from the conspiracy theorists' target in the White House but from the deputy secretary of state at the time, Richard Armitage, an esteemed member of the Washington establishment and no pal of Rove or President Bush."

"These and other publications owe Karl Rove an apology. And all of journalism needs to relearn the lesson: Can the conspiracy theories and stick to the facts."

For those of you so quick to judge, you may add your apology as well.

davidbroder@washpost.com

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One Leak and a Flood of Silliness "Washington Post"

By David S. Broder
Thursday, September 7, 2006; A27

A few quotes,

"No one behaved well in the whole mess -- not Wilson, not Libby, not special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald and not the reporters involved."

"In fact, the prosecutor concluded that there was no crime; hence, no indictment. And we now know that the original "leak," in casual conversations with reporters Novak and Bob Woodward, came not from the conspiracy theorists' target in the White House but from the deputy secretary of state at the time, Richard Armitage, an esteemed member of the Washington establishment and no pal of Rove or President Bush."

"These and other publications owe Karl Rove an apology. And all of journalism needs to relearn the lesson: Can the conspiracy theories and stick to the facts."

For those of you so quick to judge, you may add your apology as well.

davidbroder@washpost.com

I expect there will be one right after Clinton gets his apology for the Whitewater investigation and the taxpayers get a refund of the $50M that cost us. That should be about the correct timing. What do you think?

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Bush should also pardon Libby. There is a report about to come out that states Fitzgerald new the who leaked the first day of the investigation.

As for the other comment. whitewater was a criminal act but because they were allowed to stonewall the investigation evidence "disapeared". Not even close to any comparison. Especially in the light of Fitzgerald keeping the investigation going after he knew who put the name out there

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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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David Corn
Wed Sep 6, 12:00 AM ET



The Nation -- In the spring of 2002 Dick Cheney made one of his periodic trips to CIA headquarters. Officers and analysts were summoned to brief him on Iraq. Paramilitary specialists updated the Vice President on an extensive covert action program in motion that was designed to pave the way to a US invasion. Cheney questioned analysts about Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction. How could they be used against US troops? Which Iraqi units had chemical and biological weapons? He was not seeking information on whether Saddam posed a threat because he possessed such weapons. His queries, according to a CIA officer at the briefing, were pegged to the assumptions that Iraq had these weapons and would be invaded--as if a decision had been made.

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Though Cheney was already looking toward war, the officers of the agency's Joint Task Force on Iraq--part of the Counterproliferation Division of the agency's clandestine Directorate of Operations--were frantically toiling away in the basement, mounting espionage operations to gather information on the WMD programs Iraq might have. The JTFI was trying to find evidence that would back up the White House's assertion that Iraq was a WMD danger. Its chief of operations was a career undercover officer named Valerie Wilson.

Her specific position at the CIA is revealed for the first time in a new book, Hubris: The Inside Story of Spin, Scandal, and the Selling of the Iraq War, by the author of this article and Newsweek's Michael Isikoff. The book chronicles the inside battles within the CIA, the White House, the State Department and Congress during the run-up to the war. Its account of Wilson's CIA career is mainly based on interviews with confidential CIA sources.

In July 2003--four months after the invasion of Iraq--Wilson would be outed as a CIA "operative on weapons of mass destruction" in a column by conservative journalist Robert Novak, who would cite two "senior administration officials" as his sources. (As Hubris discloses, one was Richard Armitage, the number-two at the State Department; Karl Rove, Bush's chief strategist, was the other. I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Cheney's chief of staff, also talked to two reporters about her.) Novak revealed her CIA identity--using her maiden name, Valerie Plame--in the midst of the controversy ignited by former Ambassador Joseph Wilson, her husband, who had written a New York Times op-ed accusing the Bush Administration of having "twisted" intelligence "to exaggerate the Iraqi threat."

The Novak column triggered a scandal and a criminal investigation. At issue was whether Novak's sources had violated a little-known law that makes it a federal crime for a government official to disclose identifying information about a covert US officer (if that official knew the officer was undercover). A key question was, what did Valerie Wilson do at the CIA? Was she truly undercover? In a subsequent column, Novak reported that she was "an analyst, not in covert operations." White House press secretary Scott McClellan suggested that her employment at the CIA was no secret. Jonah Goldberg of National Review claimed, "Wilson's wife is a desk jockey and much of the Washington cocktail circuit knew that already."

Valerie Wilson was no analyst or paper-pusher. She was an operations officer working on a top priority of the Bush Administration. Armitage, Rove and Libby had revealed information about a CIA officer who had searched for proof of the President's case. In doing so, they harmed her career and put at risk operations she had worked on and foreign agents and sources she had handled.

Another issue was whether Valerie Wilson had sent her husband to Niger to check out an intelligence report that Iraq had sought uranium there. Hubris contains new information undermining the charge that she arranged this trip. In an interview with the authors, Douglas Rohn, a State Department officer who wrote a crucial memo related to the trip, acknowledges he may have inadvertently created a misimpression that her involvement was more significant than it had been.

Valerie Plame was recruited into the CIA in 1985, straight out of Pennsylvania State University. After two years of training to be a covert case officer, she served a stint on the Greece desk, according to Fred Rustmann, a former CIA official who supervised her then. Next she was posted to Athens and posed as a State Department employee. Her job was to spot and recruit agents for the agency. In the early 1990s, she became what's known as a nonofficial cover officer. NOCs are the most clandestine of the CIA's frontline officers. They do not pretend to work for the US government; they do not have the protection of diplomatic immunity. They might claim to be a businessperson. She told people she was with an energy firm. Her main mission remained the same: to gather agents for the CIA.

In 1997 she returned to CIA headquarters and joined the Counterproliferation Division. (About this time, she moved in with Joseph Wilson; they later married.) She was eventually given a choice: North Korea or Iraq. She selected the latter. Come the spring of 2001, she was in the CPD's modest Iraq branch. But that summer--before 9/11--word came down from the brass: We're ramping up on Iraq. Her unit was expanded and renamed the Joint Task Force on Iraq. Within months of 9/11, the JTFI grew to fifty or so employees. Valerie Wilson was placed in charge of its operations group.

There was great pressure on the JTFI to deliver. Its primary target was Iraqi scientists. JTFI officers, under Wilson's supervision, tracked down relatives, students and associates of Iraqi scientists--in America and abroad--looking for potential sources. They encouraged Iraqi émigrés to visit Iraq and put questions to relatives of interest to the CIA. The JTFI was also handling walk-ins around the world. Increasingly, Iraqi defectors were showing up at Western embassies claiming they had information on Saddam's WMDs. JTFI officers traveled throughout the world to debrief them. Often it would take a JTFI officer only a few minutes to conclude someone was pulling a con. Yet every lead had to be checked.

"We knew nothing about what was going on in Iraq," a CIA official recalled. "We were way behind the eight ball. We had to look under every rock." Wilson, too, occasionally flew overseas to monitor operations. She also went to Jordan to work with Jordanian intelligence officials who had intercepted a shipment of aluminum tubes heading to Iraq that CIA analysts were claiming--wrongly--were for a nuclear weapons program. (The analysts rolled over the government's top nuclear experts, who had concluded the tubes were not destined for a nuclear program.)

The JTFI found nothing. The few scientists it managed to reach insisted Saddam had no WMD programs. Task force officers sent reports detailing the denials into the CIA bureaucracy. The defectors were duds--fabricators and embellishers. (JTFI officials came to suspect that some had been sent their way by Ahmad Chalabi's Iraqi National Congress, an exile group that desired a US invasion of Iraq.) The results were frustrating for the officers. Were they not doing their job well enough--or did Saddam not have an arsenal of unconventional weapons? Valerie Wilson and other JTFI officers were almost too overwhelmed to consider the possibility that their small number of operations was, in a way, coming up with the correct answer: There was no intelligence to find on Saddam's WMDs because the weapons did not exist. Still, she and her colleagues kept looking. (She also assisted operations involving Iran and WMDs.)

When the war started in March 2003, JTFI officers were disappointed. "I felt like we ran out of time," one CIA officer recalled. "The war came so suddenly. We didn't have enough information to challenge the assumption that there were WMDs.... How do you know it's a dry well? That Saddam was constrained. Given more time, we could have worked through the issue.... From 9/11 to the war--eighteen months--that was not enough time to get a good answer to this important question."

When the Novak column ran, Valerie Wilson was in the process of changing her clandestine status from NOC to official cover, as she prepared for a new job in personnel management. Her aim, she told colleagues, was to put in time as an administrator--to rise up a notch or two--and then return to secret operations. But with her cover blown, she could never be undercover again. Moreover, she would now be pulled into the partisan warfare of Washington. As a CIA employee still sworn to secrecy, she wasn't able to explain publicly that she had spent nearly two years searching for evidence to support the Administration's justification for war and had come up empty.

Valerie Wilson left the CIA at the end of 2005. In July she and her husband filed a civil lawsuit against Cheney, Rove and Libby, alleging they had conspired to "discredit, punish and seek revenge against" the Wilsons. She is also writing a memoir. Her next battle may be with the agency--over how much of her story the CIA will allow the outed spy to tell.

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Bush should also pardon Libby. There is a report about to come out that states Fitzgerald new the who leaked the first day of the investigation.

As for the other comment. whitewater was a criminal act but because they were allowed to stonewall the investigation evidence "disapeared". Not even close to any comparison. Especially in the light of Fitzgerald keeping the investigation going after he knew who put the name out there

At first when I read your post I read it as "Bush should pardon Liddy"

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And JP.
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Bush should also pardon Libby.

I know more than a few members of the military and alphabet organizations who think his betrayal should be addressed by firing squad on pay-per-view.

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My bad

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Who's betrayal?

Sorry if I am missing something here.....

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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My bad

no, MY bad!!! I just can't read sometimes!

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And JP.
And Chris. And...

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>Sorry if I am missing something here.....

I've missed something as well. Feel asleep reading the Nation article.

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Now Novak's calling Armitage a liar.

www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-edt-novak14.html


As the World Turns...

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Now Novak's calling Armitage a liar.

www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-edt-novak14.html


As the World Turns...

Yea but only in relation to Armitage downplaying this active intent to disclose this and get it published. It absolutely damns Armitage, wtf was he doing both then and all this time in the interim. It's just perplexing.

What was he thinking while the investigation was in full force and did Fitzgerald really tell him to stay quiet, and why did he in fact stay quiet until now (oh.. and wtf was Fitzgerald thinking? I mean Geeze!!). This could have all blown over in a week if Armitage had said it was him from the start, and he could have done that before Fitzgerald was even appointed. It's totally FUBAR on so many levels. I wonder when he's going to announce his run for the Democratic nomination.

One thing has emerged, Plame & hubby are disgracefully politicized and it affected their judgement in looking for the yellowcake connection. This was never JUST about Joe going over and having tea, no analysis uses a single data point and Christopher Hitchens has absolutely eviscerated their bogus position and established for all but the most myopic that Saddam was shopping for ore.

At lease Armitage is gettind sued by Plame too, as if they have any real complaint, they're shot from obscurity and have milked it ever since.

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Now Novak's calling Armitage a liar.

www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-edt-novak14.html


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Yea but only in relation to Armitage downplaying this active intent to disclose this and get it published. It absolutely damns Armitage, wtf was he doing both then and all this time in the interim. It's just perplexing.

What was he thinking while the investigation was in full force and did Fitzgerald really tell him to stay quiet, and why did he in fact stay quiet until now (oh.. and wtf was Fitzgerald thinking? I mean Geeze!!). This could have all blown over in a week if Armitage had said it was him from the start, and he could have done that before Fitzgerald was even appointed. It's totally FUBAR on so many levels. I wonder when he's going to announce his run for the Democratic nomination.

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Fitzgerald is a REPUBLICAN.

I don't see how he could have done anything different even if Armitage confessed, because A. could have been the fall guy for someone else (still could be). False confessions are not at all unusual.

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I don't see how he could have done anything different even if Armitage confessed, because A. could have been the fall guy for someone else (still could be). False confessions are not at all unusual.

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I don't see how he could have done anything different even if Armitage confessed, because A. could have been the fall guy for someone else (still could be). False confessions are not at all unusual.

Been watching Hardball again, John?

Just live in Chicago, where false confessions have been a big problem for law enforcement (once it bothered to look into it).

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Now Novak's calling Armitage a liar.

www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-edt-novak14.html


As the World Turns...

Yea but only in relation to Armitage downplaying this active intent to disclose this and get it published. It absolutely damns Armitage, wtf was he doing both then and all this time in the interim. It's just perplexing.

What was he thinking while the investigation was in full force and did Fitzgerald really tell him to stay quiet, and why did he in fact stay quiet until now (oh.. and wtf was Fitzgerald thinking? I mean Geeze!!). This could have all blown over in a week if Armitage had said it was him from the start, and he could have done that before Fitzgerald was even appointed. It's totally FUBAR on so many levels. I wonder when he's going to announce his run for the Democratic nomination.

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Fitzgerald is a REPUBLICAN.

I don't see how he could have done anything different even if Armitage confessed, because A. could have been the fall guy for someone else (still could be). False confessions are not at all unusual.

So? Armitage is supposed to be one too, but he's opposed to Bush policies. My comment about running for the Dem nomination was in relation to Armitage.

Keeping this investigation going over the possibility that Armitage made a false confession is bollocks. It was trivial to corroborate with Novak and it looks like that was done.

Is he merely playing the fall guy now? What's the difference? This whole thing is just incredible, made doubly so by the fact that the original alleged crime was complete bullshit all along. Only in America.

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Now Novak's calling Armitage a liar.

www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-edt-novak14.html


As the World Turns...

Yea but only in relation to Armitage downplaying this active intent to disclose this and get it published. It absolutely damns Armitage, wtf was he doing both then and all this time in the interim. It's just perplexing.

What was he thinking while the investigation was in full force and did Fitzgerald really tell him to stay quiet, and why did he in fact stay quiet until now (oh.. and wtf was Fitzgerald thinking? I mean Geeze!!). This could have all blown over in a week if Armitage had said it was him from the start, and he could have done that before Fitzgerald was even appointed. It's totally FUBAR on so many levels. I wonder when he's going to announce his run for the Democratic nomination.

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Fitzgerald is a REPUBLICAN.

I don't see how he could have done anything different even if Armitage confessed, because A. could have been the fall guy for someone else (still could be). False confessions are not at all unusual.

So? Armitage is supposed to be one too, but he's opposed to Bush policies. My comment about running for the Dem nomination was in relation to Armitage.

Keeping this investigation going over the possibility that Armitage made a false confession is bollocks. It was trivial to corroborate with Novak and it looks like that was done.

Is he merely playing the fall guy now? What's the difference? This whole thing is just incredible, made doubly so by the fact that the original alleged crime was complete bullshit all along. Only in America.

We only know what we've been told by a bunch of proven liars. I'm not betting one way or the other.

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Fitzgerald is a REPUBLICAN.

Yep and as we all know, Republicans are all in lock-step and all follow the same secret agenda.

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Yep and as we all know, Republicans are all in lock-step and all follow the same secret agenda.

Gee I thought the (R) stood for RUBBER STAMP.. anything the President wants after he is told what he wants by GOD

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Yep and as we all know, Republicans are all in lock-step and all follow the same secret agenda.

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Gee I thought the (R) stood for RUBBER STAMP.. anything the President wants after he is told what he wants by GOD

No surprise there.

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Some of us use our brains and THINK....I know how unpopular that is now on the far right.. but its something I got used to a long time ago.


You guys will now go back to making strategies for leading your sheeple into how they should vote in November..I mean you have to have sufficient lead time to get your message out to all the Pastors so they can get your talking points across to the FLOCK.. oh and be sure to get some of your typical attack ads all set to go... gotta love those.

Which Moderate Republican are you guys going to accuse of having an illegitamate black child this time around???

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Some of us use our brains and THINK....

Yes, and not all of those that think agree with you. That is not a fact you are willing to face. Anyone that does not agree with you, you think something is wrong with them.

Luckily, not everyone thinks like you.

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You guys will now go back to making strategies for leading your sheeple into how they should vote in November..

You really only think one side does that?