Skyrad 0 #26 September 8, 2006 QuoteIt wouldn't be nice on your eyes to read my opinion on some of the things in this thread, nevertheless, here is something about terrorists that I came across somewhere: A terrorist is a man with a bomb but no air force. Theres no way the IRA (Any strand of) are soldiers, they're terrorists/criminals. They don't wear uniforms, they activly target soft civvy targets with the intention of using terror to gain their objectives. They intimidate, attack and subjegate their own people to ensure their co-operation. They run the drugs, the protection rackets, the prostitution and fuel smuggling. They are terrorists just as the UVF, UFF and others are. There is no 'good guys' in the NI paramillitary world on either side.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #27 September 8, 2006 QuoteQuoteThats most likely because you don't understand the situation. I'm sitting in Belfast as I type this and belive me its not over and the situation is highly complex. Of course it's not over....and I do understand the situatioin. To call the situation highly complex would be an understatment. Then if you understand the situation Marc you'll know that the Prods of NI don't want to be part of Ireland and are more British than most people living in London. Also you'll know that The Republic of Ireland don't want the six countys back, they are doing very well down there and the last thing they want is for a province full of trouble and poverty to be joining them. You'll also know that the vast majority of Brits would love to be rid of the place and want nothing to do with NI and most of the rest of the Brits couldn't care less one way or the other. The IRA is just a well organised and funded criminal gang. I know of a Senior IRA member who is making £35,000 a week. That money comes from drugs, protection money and the twenty girls he pimps. His situation is not unusual. http://www.victims.org.uk/primeminister.htmWhen an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #28 September 8, 2006 Also more recently in 1969, London let it be known to Dublin that they were removing all troops from Londonderry for a two day period and that if the Republic were to take londonderry that they would meet no resistance and no attempt to retake it would be made by London. The Republic took one look at the place and did nothing.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #29 September 8, 2006 QuoteQuoteBy no definition were they even remotely soldiers. They were Christian baby-killing-bastard terrorists funded to a large extent by Americans Just the response i'd expect from a brit....and I don't agree with what the IRA has done. but I do support the cause. The 'cause' is much more diverse these days. Do you support FARC in Columbia? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4528109.stm Do you support Hizbollah and Hamaz? The IRA/Sinn Fein do. Gerry Adams is currently on a trip to see his old friends in Hizzbollah and Hammas. Below is a picture of him laying a wreath on the grave of Yasser Arafat. If you're in Belfast these days you'll see Palestinian flags and murals all over the place. You might want to give some thought to this before you state your support for 'The Cause' as they say 'Their cause is our cause'.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vortexring 0 #30 September 8, 2006 QuoteQuoteIt wouldn't be nice on your eyes to read my opinion on some of the things in this thread, nevertheless, here is something about terrorists that I came across somewhere: A terrorist is a man with a bomb but no air force. Theres no way the IRA (Any strand of) are soldiers, they're terrorists/criminals. They don't wear uniforms, they activly target soft civvy targets with the intention of using terror to gain their objectives. They intimidate, attack and subjegate their own people to ensure their co-operation. They run the drugs, the protection rackets, the prostitution and fuel smuggling. They are terrorists just as the UVF, UFF and others are. There is no 'good guys' in the NI paramillitary world on either side. Mate, relax. I'm not going to get drawn into any arguement regarding terrorism in N.I. You seriously trying to teach me something about them!??? The statement: 'A terrorist is a man with a bomb but no airforce' deserves some consideration I believe. That's all. I didn't think up the statement. I don't necessarily believe the statement. I just feel it to be worthy of consideration.edited to add: No need to tell me what N.I. is all about. Please. I've had enough bitter rants here as it is. Last thing I need is getting wound up again. So I won't. 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dorbie 0 #31 September 8, 2006 Quote Then if you understand the situation Marc you'll know that the Prods of NI don't want to be part of Ireland and are more British than most people living in London. Also you'll know that The Republic of Ireland don't want the six countys back, they are doing very well down there and the last thing they want is for a province full of trouble and poverty to be joining them. You'll also know that the vast majority of Brits would love to be rid of the place and want nothing to do with NI and most of the rest of the Brits couldn't care less one way or the other. The IRA is just a well organised and funded criminal gang. I know of a Senior IRA member who is making £35,000 a week. That money comes from drugs, protection money and the twenty girls he pimps. His situation is not unusual. http://www.victims.org.uk/primeminister.htm Well said, this really is a spectacularly lucid summary of the mess that everyone outside Northern Irelend should read before spouting off about freedom fighters peace or any of the other bollocks you hear. You have no idea of the number of Americans who have (or had) bullshit romantic notions of freedom fighters in Northern Ireland fighting oppression from the English, as if England wants anything to do with the millstone that NI is. Some Yanks used to have no trouble funding terrorism when it was murdering innocents in NI and the UK. Did they know that they were in the same camp as Ghadaffi who after Reagan bombed Tripoli with England based bombers sent ship loads of weapons including large quantities of semtex to NI as a reprisal. PanAm 103 was just the tip of the iceberg. I've got a peace plan; GIVE Northern Irelend to America! When both sides start bombing the stock exchanges and subways in NY at least they'll finally be able to find the place on a map. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymedic 0 #32 September 11, 2006 Marc otherwise known as Mr.Fallinwoman.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymedic 0 #33 September 11, 2006 QuoteDo you support Hizbollah and Hamaz Nope...but I believe palestine should be it's own state. WITH out terrorist's running the place. I don't think I have ever said I support the IRA. I do know as a child listening to my grandfather and great grand mother talk about "there ireland" the one they had to escape because the prods made there life hell. All because they were catholic. My great grand mother's brother was killed by a prod because he was catholic. That is just unbelievable. Marc otherwise known as Mr.Fallinwoman.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #34 September 11, 2006 I think that thats one of the main problems with the belifes of 'Irish' Americans and others whos ancestors left Ireland at the start of the last century. Things have moved on. Other than nicking the name IRA the terrorists of the PIRA, CIRA, RIRA (et al) have nothing to do with the IRA of 1916, nut they like to play on that non existant connection to raise funds from people who have no real knowledge of what is happening in the provence of of the realities of the 'Troubles'.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #35 September 11, 2006 shhhh don't tell them the truth, that only confuses them and stops making people feel good about supporting terrorists. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #36 September 11, 2006 QuoteQuote The IRA come to mind. are they soldiers? or terrorists? Soilders do not deliberately target civilians. That would be my primary criteria. Intentionally targeting civilians is not soldier-like; it is criminal and terroristic." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymedic 0 #37 September 11, 2006 You don't believe there is sectarian violence based solely on ones religion? from BOTH sides? and once again...i do not support the IRA. they are no better than your common mafia here or there. typical thugs. Marc otherwise known as Mr.Fallinwoman.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #38 September 11, 2006 QuoteYou don't believe there is sectarian violence based solely on ones religion? from BOTH sides? Oh, absolutely there is - it's one of the most deplorable elements of the whole situation. Not even the most stretched version of the freedom fighter/terrorist argument can be made for people who kill and maim simply because their victims worship the same God in an ever so slightly different way. Quoteand once again...i do not support the IRA No, but you "do support the cause". If you truly know the situation and don't simply comment out of ignorance, that really shocks me. I mean really. I simply cannot fathom why anyone would support the involuntary subjugation of an entire population. The very idea of someone supporting a movement whose goal is to annex a state by force, against the will of the overwhelming majority of its population, is quite foreign to me. 80 years ago the population of Northern Ireland actively chose to split away from the rest of the Republic. Today, the vast majority of the population of the province still does not want to be part of the Republic. Allowing them to continue that stance seems to me to be the very epitome of a democracy. I just don't understand why anyone would want to force such a change on a people against their will. They live in a democracy - if they want to be part of Ireland they're quite welcome to become so. As they don't, I think it only right that every proponent of freedom and democracy oppose anyone who wants to force such a change upon them. In this instance that means opposing people like the IRA. As it is, NI residents have automatic dual citizenship of either or both country that they choose and, if the murdering bastards in the IRA and UVF quit killing each other because of the way the other worships the same bloody God, they have their own parliament and the power to govern their little quarter of the world in whatever way they choose. Hell, they could even join the Republic if they wanted to. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #39 September 11, 2006 QuoteYou don't believe there is sectarian violence based solely on ones religion? from BOTH sides? and once again...i do not support the IRA. they are no better than your common mafia here or there. typical thugs. Are you kidding? Its not a case if I belive it or not, its a fact. The week before last in Belfast a gang of Republicans (Catholics) trashed about seven Prod cars, so a very large number of Loyalist paramillitaries went into the Catholic area and firebombed several houses and trashed a load more. As I said before, there is no good guys amoung the paramillitaries in NI.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mpohl 1 #40 September 11, 2006 "War is the terror of the rich, and terror is the war of the poor" Peter Ustinov Quotewww.upi.com/SecurityTerrorism/view.php?StoryID=20060905-033639-5554r Well, someone in the Pentagon seems to have it figured out. Declaring "war" on them just elevates them to a status they don't deserve. Tony Blair has been calling them "criminals" for some time now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
