mnealtx 0 #26 September 7, 2006 QuoteQuoteJohn, one of the places I went to where they actually fabricate the armor that goes into HUMVEES and other vehicles is cranking out armor plates for installition, 3 shifts a day, 7 days a week. Wow, more than 3 years into an optional war and STILL getting ready for it. It (normally) takes a minimum of a couple YEARS to change purchasing in the military. On the occasions that it DOESN'T, you and the rest of the Left scream "corrupt military contracts!" Fish, or cut bait - you can't have it both ways.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LouDiamond 1 #27 September 7, 2006 QuoteI guess you watched another video. I watched the FOX news video that is on the web site. Are you refering to something else? QuoteAnd in the snipers letters there are guys saying that they have more trained men than weapons. Again, I don't expect you to understand but the answer to that goes back to the units MTOE. They have what they are authorized in quantities and equipment. Having additional people trained in a skill does not mean they will automatically be serving in that capacity or that their unit will automatically get equipment beyond their allocated MTOE. Quote I'm only going on whats on this site and the fact that at least three other posters have said that the video was either misleading or total bullshit makes me wonder why you are the only one who doesn't see it. The only thing that is misleading is the way you started this thread. I cannot speak for the other 3 you refer to as to why or what they claim is bullshit. I CAN tell you what I actually know from having been in those places recently and having done it for most of my life. Quoteas for your reference to trolling and the competen of my language abilities that sounds like a thinly vieled personal attack. Would have expected better from a greenie. I hope you see the irony in what you just wrote. The statement only called your language comprehension into question IF your REALLY believed.However, your response would seem to indicate that you REALLY do believe the afore mentioned so I rest my case. I suggest you go back and review the forum rules on PAs. I call them like I see them so expect the truth, even if it doesn't agree with you."It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required" Some people dream about flying, I live my dream SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #28 September 7, 2006 >It (normally) takes a minimum of a couple YEARS to change purchasing in the military. Ah, so allowing troops to go into the field without (say) ammunition is perfectly explainable and acceptable? "It's just too hard to change" doesn't fly with me. I spent years working for miltiary contractors; there are military logistics planners who spend their entire careers making sure troops have what they need to go into battle. If they don't, and the war is optional, then you wait until they DO have what they need. If it's a vital item, then you arrange a contract such that the supplier (like Grumman, the one I worked for) carries inventory and can respond very quickly to increased demand. >Fish, or cut bait - you can't have it both ways. Sure you can. You wait until a) we're sufficiently prepared and b) we're just one part of a larger peacekeeping force. Then we suffer fewer casualties overall and the political objective is still achieved. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #29 September 7, 2006 Quotereview the forum rules on PAs. I call them like I see them so expect the truth, even if it doesn't agree with you. Uhmm, calling them like you see them could still be a PA. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #30 September 7, 2006 QuoteThe war in Iraq is virtually lost and in Afghanistan the Taliban are making a comeback and are taking and controling ground. That's one of the most rediculous things I have heard in a long time. When was the last time you were in either one of those countries? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #31 September 7, 2006 QuoteQuoteThe war in Iraq is virtually lost and in Afghanistan the Taliban are making a comeback and are taking and controling ground. That's one of the most rediculous things I have heard in a long time. When was the last time you were in either one of those countries? You do not need to be there, actually. In the contrary; The one eating the dust knows the less. Would you instead insist on saying the war in Iraq is won? dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #32 September 7, 2006 QuoteYou do not need to be there, actually. In the contrary; The one eating the dust knows the less. wtf? Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #33 September 7, 2006 >>The war in Iraq is virtually lost and in Afghanistan the Taliban >>are making a comeback and are taking and controling ground. >That's one of the most rediculous things I have heard in a long time. --------------------- 9/7/06 More Troops Needed In Afghanistan KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) -- NATO's top commander on Thursday urged allied nations to send reinforcements to war-ravaged southern Afghanistan. Taliban militants are inflicting heavy casualties on foreign forces there and captured a remote town from police for the second time in two months. Speaking in Belgium after visiting Afghanistan this week, Gen. James L. Jones said the coming weeks could be decisive for thousands of troops fighting Taliban in southern provinces, amid the worst upsurge in violence since the hard-line regime's ouster in late 2001 for hosting Osama bin Laden. NATO had been surprised by the intensity of Taliban attacks since the alliance moved into the volatile region and by insurgents' willingness to stand and fight rather than hit-and-run, he said. -------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #34 September 7, 2006 Bill and Christel, you go carry a rifle for a living and then get back to us ok? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #35 September 7, 2006 >Bill, you go carry a rifle for a living and then get back to us ok? You go design weapons for a living and then give us your opinion on their use, OK? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #36 September 7, 2006 BTW when did you start believing in all NATO statements? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #37 September 7, 2006 QuoteYou do not need to be there, actually. In the contrary; Yeah you're right. The BBC and CNN tells you the REAL story. QuoteThe one eating the dust knows the less That's quite true if I was some fobbitt Army PFC that works in a chow hall. However, I am not. QuoteNATO's top commander There in lies the problem Bill. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #38 September 7, 2006 QuoteNATO's top commander -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- There in lies the problem Bill. You are right, what could that General Jones guy possibly know about warfare.... Former Commandants of the US Marine Corps are usually pretty stupid people.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #39 September 7, 2006 QuoteFormer Commandants of the US Marine Corps are usually pretty stupid people.... I never said he was stupid. My comment was more on the troops under his command. They aren't experienced. That causes problems..........AND casualties. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #40 September 7, 2006 QuoteI never said he was stupid. My comment was more on the troops under his command. They aren't experienced. That causes problems..........AND casualties. Thanks for calling Canadian troops inexperienced. Maybe they would do better if US fighter pilots stopped bombing them? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #41 September 7, 2006 >They aren't experienced. That causes problems..........AND casualties. Perhaps. But a force that is losing ground due to inexperience - is still losing ground. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skinnyshrek 0 #42 September 7, 2006 Quote>Bill, you go carry a rifle for a living and then get back to us ok? You go design weapons for a living and then give us your opinion on their use, OK? Just out of curiosity, why would you need to know how something is designed to give an opinion on usage?http://www.skydivethefarm.com do you realize that when you critisize people you dont know over the internet, you become part of a growing society of twats? ARE YOU ONE OF THEM? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #43 September 7, 2006 QuoteQuoteYou do not need to be there, actually. In the contrary; Yeah you're right. The BBC and CNN tells you the REAL story. QuoteThe one eating the dust knows the less That's quite true if I was some fobbitt Army PFC that works in a chow hall. However, I am not. QuoteNATO's top commander There in lies the problem Bill. Freeflir 29, the first 2 statements were mine, not Bill's, don't blame it on him. In fact it's something I know from endless discussions with my dad, an old Marine (German Marine, not what you know in the US) and just watching what's going on over there. It's wrong but so true: BBC, CNN and all those channels at the spot know more than GI Joe in the dust. That was my simple statement. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #44 September 7, 2006 QuoteThanks for calling Canadian troops inexperienced. Didn't want to say this but a friend of mine was just talking about how the Canadians he saw in Afghanistan operated. He had a low opinion of them. QuoteIt's wrong but so true: BBC, CNN and all those channels at the spot know more than GI Joe in the dust. That was my simple statement. Yeah............but I am NOT "GI Joe in the dust." Even if I was.........I would most likely STILL have a clearer picture than ANY slanted news organization. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #45 September 7, 2006 >Just out of curiosity, why would you need to know how something >is designed to give an opinion on usage? I don't; I was being silly. I know a lot about how A-6 radar systems work, how F-14 avionics talk to each other, and about design and deployment of GPS-guided bombs. Doesn't mean I know when they should be used. Likewise, I'm sure there are a lot of people who are excellent soldiers who are quite good at carrying rifles. Doesn't mean they're experts on the future of Iraq. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #46 September 7, 2006 QuoteDidn't want to say this but a friend of mine was just talking about how the Canadians he saw in Afghanistan operated. He had a low opinion of them. I rate that slightly lower than the opinion of the brittish SAS soldier who refused to go back to Iraq because of all the war crimes by American troops. At least he identified himself. At least the Candians are stepping up in Afghanistan, really the only war that makes sense in this supposed war on terror. Personally I'd rather lose soldiers in a war that means something, than losing soldiers in a President's pet project. I guess for you it doesn't matter one way or the other since you make good money as a mercenary...as long as people kill eachother business is good for you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #47 September 7, 2006 Your "G.I. in the Dust" statement would be true if: We G.I.'s in the dust didn't get cultural briefings, Threat briefings, goal briefings, Intel updates as to the changes in tactics, intel updates as to what Islamic Nation has joined the AQ and Iranian efforts, updates (from the same service and Humanitarian Orgs) on Civilian and Military losses. Some of your "G.I.'s in the dust" have been studying the region for 15+ years. It is the Civilian Leadership that needs its eyes opened.An Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LouDiamond 1 #48 September 7, 2006 QuoteYou do not need to be there, actually. In the contrary; The one eating the dust knows the less. That is so utterly absurd that I am sitting here questioning myself as to why I am even bothering to address this statement. Hell, if that statement was true no one would need to travel anywhere in the world, we could all just read about it or watch it on TV. Screw going on vacation and seeing Italy, the Louvre and the Sistine chapel, I'll just look at pictures in a book or watch a video. Yeah, thats just as good as being there[HUGE fucking eye roll icon] Food for thought for everyone and something to keep in mind. The media portrays to the public ( I am also including other countries media, not just the USA.) what is going on in war zones with the same accuracy as it portrays skydiving accidents be it written or on TV. Being there IS a major factor. If you doubt that then I guess you would also likely believe someone who had never skydived in their life telling you what it was like to skydive and how to do it."It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required" Some people dream about flying, I live my dream SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #49 September 7, 2006 You forgot to mention the 19000 wounded or the 350 dead contractors. Measuring the success of a war by the number of dead is a very American thing to do. But it doesn't really tell you anything. For a start if you take away the technalogical advances over the years since the other wars you mentioned such as body armour and vechical armour and medical advances alot of those 19,000 would also be dead. The war in Iraq was ill concieved and has turned into a disaster. No insult to the people who've died there or been injured but it doesn't change the fact that its just a matter of time now until the US declare 'victory for democracy' and run. Then its a matter of weeks at the very most until Iraq implodes. Its lost.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #50 September 7, 2006 You don't need to know.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
