miked10270 0 #1 September 5, 2006 Opinion without sources - discuss. I now believe that the war in Afghanistan is moving into it's final phase - and should have done so earlier! The final-solution to Afghanistan WILL be the eradication of Opium Crops! (Agent Orange anyone?) The single vital weapon needed is some herbicide which will attack & ideally eradicate opium poppies. Thereafter, it's a case of fitting attack helicopters with crop-spraying equipment. Because, let's be blunt. The Taleban aren't experiencing increased support, what's happening is that attempts to stop Afghanistan producing 150% of the world's Medicinal Opiate requirement (production up by a factor of 6 in Helmland Province in the past year) is meeting increased resistance. This is no longer a "religious" war. It's a drugs war. Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #2 September 5, 2006 There is a war going on in Afghanistan?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #3 September 5, 2006 Act like a shepherd.... get the Flock Out of there!! (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GTAVercetti 0 #4 September 5, 2006 What the hell is Afghanistan?Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,118 #5 September 5, 2006 >Thereafter, it's a case of fitting attack helicopters with crop-spraying equipment. Wouldn't do much. That would result in a) a LOT more downed helicopters and dead pilots and b) higher prices for opium - which means the remaining poppy farmers can afford a better arsenal of anti-aircraft weaponry. Cropdusting with military helicopters is just about the ultimate example of a mission the military is NOT good at doing. >The Taleban aren't experiencing increased support . . . . Ironically, the Taliban have (so far) been the only government of Afghanistan that managed to _stop_ opium production. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miked10270 0 #6 September 5, 2006 QuoteWhat the hell is Afghanistan? It's the "North-West-Frontier" old fruit! Where The Pathans live don't yo know! For you Americans, it's the bit next-but-one to the East of Iraq. Just past Iran. Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miked10270 0 #7 September 5, 2006 Quote >The Taleban aren't experiencing increased support . . . . Ironically, the Taliban have (so far) been the only government of Afghanistan that managed to _stop_ opium production. True, the Taleban did have a lot of success in reducing Opium production... But their methods were "Exciting" to say the least! Something along the lines of: "If you grow opium poppies on your farm, then we'll kill you and your entire family!" Something the occupying forces & current government can't do. In the meantime, that's where the money's coming from. Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #8 September 5, 2006 LOL..When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #9 September 5, 2006 When did they do that? The briefs prior to the initial deployment specifically pointed out the large number of crops and our LONG involvment in the funding of the farmers during that little thing with the "Rooskies". Maybe the T-ban thought they did, just like our Government thinks it does good too.An Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,118 #10 September 5, 2006 >The briefs prior to the initial deployment specifically pointed out the >large number of crops and our LONG involvment in the funding of >the farmers during that little thing with the "Rooskies". Yes. During the USSR invasion, poppy cultivation was widespread, serving mainly to finance the resistance. When the Taliban first came to power, they put up with the opium trade because a) it was "how we won the war" and b) they could tax it. Before long they decided that it was immoral (well, that's what they said, at least) and clamped down on production. In 2002, opium production dropped to its lowest level ever. Since then, production has gone way back up, since the outlying provinces are under tenuous control at best. Afghanistan is now the #1 producer of opium in the world. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #11 September 5, 2006 I disagree with you about the solution of the problem. To destroy the crops will destabilise the country even further. It would also mean massive deployment of British troops would be required to do the work of our 'Afghan allies' in the country side most of whom are the warlords who have their private armies/millita who are the very people growing the poppies. The solution is to let them grow the crops and licence the crop which we then use for medical use. (There is currently a shortage) I'm not the only one who thinks this is a good idea. http://www.senliscouncil.net/modules/Opium_licensingWhen an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #12 September 5, 2006 Quote opium in the world. Opium is pretty good stuff. Every tried it? I'm not surprised there's a market for it. Hell, maybe the UN security council should have a lung full before going into their discussions. Something useful might actually happen.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,588 #13 September 5, 2006 If it were weed, something might happen, but it would be veeeeery slooooooowwwwly, and only after someone ordered the pizza Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #14 September 5, 2006 Quote If it were weed, It's much better than weed We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #15 September 5, 2006 OK, we had the same brief just the word "Stopped" was wrong. "Reduced" and "USED FOR REVENUE" is what they did. And we have been fighting a Drug War here in the states how long?An Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miked10270 0 #16 September 6, 2006 Quote>Thereafter, it's a case of fitting attack helicopters with crop-spraying equipment. Wouldn't do much. That would result in a) a LOT more downed helicopters and dead pilots How was Agent-Orange delivered during vietnam? Was it sprayed direct from aircraft or was there some area delivery munition for it? Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stayhigh 2 #17 September 6, 2006 I think we can equip some wing suit flyer with some agent-orange and do a fly-by over the farmBernie Sanders for President 2016 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slug 1 #18 September 7, 2006 QuoteThereafter, it's a case of fitting attack helicopters with crop-spraying equipment. Wouldn't do much. That would result in a) a LOT more downed helicopters and dead pilots How was Agent-Orange delivered during vietnam? Was it sprayed direct from aircraft or was there some area delivery munition for it? Sprayed by C-123 acft flying in V formation low and slow. Mission was called "ranch hand" Don't know about acft loss's from enemy fire. But nam was pre stinger type weapons. Agent orange contained trace amounts of dioxen and probably caused more death's to air crews over the long term then by direct enemy fire. R.I.P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites