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They stopped being "the enemy of our enemy" mainly.


Only that? Didn't have anything to do with the rise of terrorism, specifically from the group we had assisted, did it?

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They stopped being "the enemy of our enemy" mainly.


Only that? Didn't have anything to do with the rise of terrorism, specifically from the group we had assisted, did it?

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Michele



Damn, Michele. I seem to remember it having more to do with supporting terrorists that flew 2 planes into the WTC, one into the Pentagon, and another that crashed into a field in PA. on it's way to hit the Capitol. Silly me.

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Damn, Michele. I seem to remember it having more to do with supporting terrorists that flew 2 planes into the WTC, one into the Pentagon, and another that crashed into a field in PA. on it's way to hit the Capitol. Silly me.


Well, color me silly too, because I'm thinking of the hostage taking sprees, hijackings, killing of our marines in Lebanon, the embassy bombings, the '93 bombings, the USS Cole, the attempted 2000 LAX bombing, and all those other events which happened.

Gosh. Maybe we should've continued funding them, and turning the other cheek once they started, so they wouldn't hit us. Kinda like blackmail, I guess.

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>Didn't have anything to do with the rise of terrorism, specifically from
>the group we had assisted, did it?

No. When terrorism was on the rise against the russians we were ecstatic. We "gave the Russians their Vietnam" in the words of one CIA official. (In hindsight it would have been more accurate to say "gave them their Iraq.")

When they had no russians left to kill, and started hitting western targets - then we started to care a lot more.

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Great after the fact observation, but why would Darius' reason: 1979-88: US begins covert aid to Mujahideen in Afghanistan six months before Soviet invasion in Dec. 1979. Over the next decade US provides training and more than $3 billion in arms and aid. be listed as a reason the world hates us, unless you just happen to be looking for reasons, and in "hindsight" this fits.

Darius, why DID you list, "1979-88: US begins covert aid to Mujahideen in Afghanistan six months before Soviet invasion in Dec. 1979. Over the next decade US provides training and more than $3 billion in arms and aid." as a reason the US is hated? Please tell me.

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Damn, Michele. I seem to remember it having more to do with supporting terrorists that flew 2 planes into the WTC, one into the Pentagon, and another that crashed into a field in PA. on it's way to hit the Capitol. Silly me.


Well, color me silly too, because I'm thinking of the hostage taking sprees, hijackings, killing of our marines in Lebanon, the embassy bombings, the '93 bombings, the USS Cole, the attempted 2000 LAX bombing, and all those other events which happened.

Gosh. Maybe we should've continued funding them, and turning the other cheek once they started, so they wouldn't hit us. Kinda like blackmail, I guess.

Ciels-
Michele



Nice point Michele, but my list of grievances goes back before many of the people on this forum were born.

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The war on Terror is not a war against one person but it is a war against an Idea.



A war on Pan-Islamism. Agreed. Perhaps we could include other violent currents as well. But Pan-Islamism seems to be the biggest target right now.

Subtly but crucially different from a war on Islam itself.
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