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QuoteNo matter, perhaps other people will get something out of this that will help in the fight to secure and maintain our God-given rights to keep and bear arms from certain misled members of our elected govt.
Even though I am not a christian, I did once go to bible school and nowhere do I recall god giving us rights to keep and bear arms. It was the second amendment that secured that right. Although I believe that this amendment is broadly misunderstood and has been twisted out of shape by so many, I do love my deer rifle, a Winchester Model of 1917 30 06. Mine was manufactured in 1919 and is in pristine condition.
"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young
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QuoteQuoteNo matter, perhaps other people will get something out of this that will help in the fight to secure and maintain our God-given rights to keep and bear arms from certain misled members of our elected govt.
Even though I am not a christian, I did once go to bible school and nowhere do I recall god giving us rights to keep and bear arms. It was the second amendment that secured that right. Although I believe that this amendment is broadly misunderstood and has been twisted out of shape by so many, I do love my deer rifle, a Winchester Model of 1917 30 06. Mine was manufactured in 1919 and is in pristine condition.
It's the right to life that comes from God. To paraphrase, all men are endowed by their Creator to pursue life, liberty, and happiness. If someone comes at me trying to steal my life, I have a God-given right to defend it. In the past the tool used to defend that life has been a stick, a knife, a sword, a club. Today, it is a gun.
I miss Lee.
And JP.
And Chris. And...
QuoteQuoteNo matter, perhaps other people will get something out of this that will help in the fight to secure and maintain our God-given rights to keep and bear arms from certain misled members of our elected govt.
Even though I am not a christian, I did once go to bible school and nowhere do I recall god giving us rights to keep and bear arms. It was the second amendment that secured that right. Although I believe that this amendment is broadly misunderstood and has been twisted out of shape by so many, I do love my deer rifle, a Winchester Model of 1917 30 06. Mine was manufactured in 1919 and is in pristine condition.
The constitution doesn't grant rights. It says what the government can't do (infringe on rights already belonging to us) rather than what the people can do.
I've seen some of the old winchester rifles... beautiful. My shotgun is a winchester. Have you heard the story of the winchester house in san jose? bizarre...
QuoteThe constitution doesn't grant rights. It says what the government can't do (infringe on rights already belonging to us) rather than what the people can do.
I stand corrected. The government grants privilages, not rights.
QuoteI've seen some of the old winchester rifles... beautiful. My shotgun is a winchester. Have you heard the story of the winchester house in san jose? bizarre...
I have been to the Winchester house, years ago, when I was stationed at Treasure Island. So many rooms and stairways that go nowhere... She was ecentric, to say the least. She continued building onto the house right up to her death.
"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young
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QuotePoint being, if "Gun Facts" quotes Lott as unchallenged truth, it is either deliberately deceptive, poorly researched, or both. Either way, that makes it a junk article. I can't believe it was peer reviewed and got away with that.
QuoteCongratulations John, in very few points, you've completely proven my original thesis that you would discredit this entire work w/o even looking at it. You're as predictable as most who share your limited view.
It's pretty clear to me that it's just better to ignore you as the gadfly that you are. You obviously have difficulty reading posts here and you obviously haven't looked at the document. If you had, the content of your responses would be different.
That's a bit harsh.
You make a personal attack on kallend because he may discard an article based on the lack of credibility of a contributing writer?
I am both pro-gun and pro- concealed carry, but from an objective perspective I think kallend's position is completely reasonable.
You are also pro- good governance and pro-skydiving, correct?
Would you read an article on good governance containing 'facts' submitted by Robert Mugabe?
Would you read an article co-written by Scott Lutz on the finer points of skydiving EP's ?
Compared with all the better pro-gun articles out there on which our time is better spent, it is not unreasonable to discard content from writers of dubious reputation, regardless of the topic.
You are also pro- good governance and pro-skydiving, correct?
Would you read an article on good governance containing 'facts' submitted by Robert Mugabe?
Would you read an article co-written by Scott Lutz on the finer points of skydiving EP's ?
Compared with all the better pro-gun articles out there on which our time is better spent, it is not unreasonable to discard content from writers of dubious reputation, regardless of the topic.
Would you read an article on good governance containing 'facts' submitted by Robert Mugabe?
Would you read an article co-written by Scott Lutz on the finer points of skydiving EP's ?
Compared with all the better pro-gun articles out there on which our time is better spent, it is not unreasonable to discard content from writers of dubious reputation, regardless of the topic.
John Lott is only dubious in the fact that ANTI gun people disagree with him and take pot shots at his work instead of debating the man or actually trying to clearly and consisely refute his work.
to use the analogy you provided you would be asking a NON Skydiver to evaluate statements/research made By Bill Booth, Brian Germain, or Even John Kallend
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QuoteYou are also pro- good governance and pro-skydiving, correct?
Would you read an article on good governance containing 'facts' submitted by Robert Mugabe?
Would you read an article co-written by Scott Lutz on the finer points of skydiving EP's ?
Compared with all the better pro-gun articles out there on which our time is better spent, it is not unreasonable to discard content from writers of dubious reputation, regardless of the topic.
John Lott is only dubious in the fact that ANTI gun people disagree with him and take pot shots at his work instead of debating the man or actually trying to clearly and consisely refute his work.
WRONG - there has been very extensive debate with Lott. You just haven't, apparently, bothered to read the professional, peer reviewed literature which doesn't get quoted by the pro-gun lobby.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
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Point being, if "Gun Facts" quotes Lott as unchallenged truth, it is either deliberately deceptive, poorly researched, or both. Either way, that makes it a junk article. I can't believe it was peer reviewed and got away with that.
Congratulations John, in very few points, you've completely proven my original thesis that you would discredit this entire work w/o even looking at it. You're as predictable as most who share your limited view.
I would give no credit to any article that is so poorly researched that it quotes an analysis that is in serious dispute in the professional literature without making any mention of that fact. Your author is either being deliberately deceptive or is incompetent. That throws doubt on the entire article - how can you know which other parts are fact and which are myth?
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
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well that sure didn't take long... so bring on the sources john. you're making a lot of statements of fact. of course, the tenured/professor thing has been dealt w/ previously.
Geee, you mentioned him specifically in the first post. You expected it and even asked for it. You two provide me much entertainment.
Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.
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You two provide me much entertainment. Cool
Yes, definitely popcorn time
We are all engines of karma
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well that sure didn't take long... so bring on the sources john. you're making a lot of statements of fact. of course, the tenured/professor thing has been dealt w/ previously.
Geee, you mentioned him specifically in the first post. You expected it and even asked for it. You two provide me much entertainment.
I think he gets a little pleasure from that burr John stuck in his craw....lol
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A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail
A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail
If it's true, how very sad that someone would stoop to such crookery.
That having been said, what I said about this document holds true to the case about gun rights in general: The strngth of the gun rights movement does not colapse w/ the fall of John Lott, if these things that are said about him are true.
I miss Lee.
And JP.
And Chris. And...
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