Handgun "Microstamping"

[JohnRich 4]

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Gun 'Microstamping' Bill Passes California Senate

The California Senate on Thursday passed a bill that would require the "microstamping" of semi-automatic handguns - giving cartridges fired from those guns a unique imprint, which according to gun control advocates, would help police solve crimes...

The bill would "expand the definition of unsafe handgun to include semiautomatic pistols that are not designed and equipped with a microscopic array of characters, that identify the make, model, and serial number of the pistol, etched into the interior surface or internal working parts of the pistol, and which are transferred by imprinting on each cartridge case when the firearm is fired..."

But the California NRA Members' Councils says the microstamping would create false evidence trails. "Micro-stamped cartridge cases fired and abandoned at government agencies facilities or private shooting ranges could be gathered and used to 'seed' crime scenes with the with 'evidence,' implicating law enforcement officers and citizens" in crimes they had nothing to do with... microstamped cartridges could not be recycled because they might implicate secondary users of reloaded cartridges. And without the ability to sell and recycle used (microstamped) cartridge cases, the cost of firearms training will increase for government agencies. Second Amendment supporters also note that microstamps can be easily defeated by replacing parts of the handgun that have been stamped; polishing the microstamp with abrasives or modifying the stamp; and in some cases, the stamped markings may be filled in with residue produced by normal firing of the gun.

Full story: CNS News

More opposition to the Bill:

Law Enforcers Oppose Calif. Micro-Stamping Gun Bill

A bill passed by the anti-gun California state Senate to require "micro-stamping" by all semiautomatic handguns. One day later, law enforcement officers are also coming out in force against the bill. "This legislation is an impractical and costly measure that will not improve public safety," Fotis wrote. "AB 352 is a distraction from real and proven crime-fighting efforts."

Full story: CNS News

Firearms Industry Calls Gun Microstamping Ill-Advised

The National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF), the trade association for the firearms industry, said today that Senate passage of AB 352, legislation which will mandate the use of unreliable, patented, sole-sourced technology to microstamp firearms and allow the Attorney General to require bullet serialization of all ammunition is ill-conceived and will result in a ban on ammunition sales in the state, burdening sportsmen, hunters and firearms enthusiasts.

A recent independent, peer-reviewed, study published in the professional scholarly journal for forensic firearms examiners proved that this technology is unreliable and does not function as the patent holder claims and it can be easily defeated in mere seconds using common household tools. Furthermore, criminals will simply switch the engraved firing pin for readily available unmarked spare parts thereby circumventing the technology...

Full story: U.S. Newswire

[akarunway 1]

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News:

Gun 'Microstamping' Bill Passes California Senate

The California Senate on Thursday passed a bill that would require the "microstamping" of semi-automatic handguns - giving cartridges fired from those guns a unique imprint, which according to gun control advocates, would help police solve crimes...

The bill would "expand the definition of unsafe handgun to include semiautomatic pistols that are not designed and equipped with a microscopic array of characters, that identify the make, model, and serial number of the pistol, etched into the interior surface or internal working parts of the pistol, and which are transferred by imprinting on each cartridge case when the firearm is fired..."

But the California NRA Members' Councils says the microstamping would create false evidence trails. "Micro-stamped cartridge cases fired and abandoned at government agencies facilities or private shooting ranges could be gathered and used to 'seed' crime scenes with the with 'evidence,' implicating law enforcement officers and citizens" in crimes they had nothing to do with... microstamped cartridges could not be recycled because they might implicate secondary users of reloaded cartridges. And without the ability to sell and recycle used (microstamped) cartridge cases, the cost of firearms training will increase for government agencies. Second Amendment supporters also note that microstamps can be easily defeated by replacing parts of the handgun that have been stamped; polishing the microstamp with abrasives or modifying the stamp; and in some cases, the stamped markings may be filled in with residue produced by normal firing of the gun.

Full story: CNS News

More opposition to the Bill:

Law Enforcers Oppose Calif. Micro-Stamping Gun Bill

A bill passed by the anti-gun California state Senate to require "micro-stamping" by all semiautomatic handguns. One day later, law enforcement officers are also coming out in force against the bill. "This legislation is an impractical and costly measure that will not improve public safety," Fotis wrote. "AB 352 is a distraction from real and proven crime-fighting efforts."

Full story: CNS News

Firearms Industry Calls Gun Microstamping Ill-Advised

The National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF), the trade association for the firearms industry, said today that Senate passage of AB 352, legislation which will mandate the use of unreliable, patented, sole-sourced technology to microstamp firearms and allow the Attorney General to require bullet serialization of all ammunition is ill-conceived and will result in a ban on ammunition sales in the state, burdening sportsmen, hunters and firearms enthusiasts.

A recent independent, peer-reviewed, study published in the professional scholarly journal for forensic firearms examiners proved that this technology is unreliable and does not function as the patent holder claims and it can be easily defeated in mere seconds using common household tools. Furthermore, criminals will simply switch the engraved firing pin for readily available unmarked spare parts thereby circumventing the technology...

Full story: U.S. Newswire

YOUR govt. at work. They suck, don't they?

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

[quade 4]

Thank you for bringing to my attention one more thing I don't give a crap about.

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[JohnRich 4]

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Thank you for bringing to my attention one more thing I don't give a crap about.

Then why did you go to the trouble to reply?

Am I supposed to give a crap that you don't give a crap?

Did you vote "great idea" for this thing you don't give a crap about? (Just as your post appeared here, the first "great idea" vote also appeared...)

Won't the criminals just use revolvers which don't eject spent cartridge casings?

[vortexring 0]

He went to the trouble to reply because it's so crap.

And it is.

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

[JohnRich 4]

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He went to the trouble to reply because it's so crap.
And it is.

He didn't say it was "crap". He said he didn't give a crap about it. That's two different things. The first is a judgement about the idea, and the second is his uncaring attitude about it either way.

Please explain why you feel it is crap. Is it crap because it's such a dumb idea that it doesn't deserve the attention that California is giving it?

[vortexring 0]

No. John, I really can't be arsed.

I'm actually off to bed now - cheers mate.

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'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

[kelpdiver 2]

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Thank you for bringing to my attention one more thing I don't give a crap about.

It's backdoor gun control. You probably care about that one way or the other, since you frequently enter discussions on the subject.

But John is likely jumping the gun on the story - the Cal legislature half passes a lot of BS bills. I wouldn't expect the governor to follow, esp in an election year.

[JohnRich 4]

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No. John, I really can't be arsed.

What does "arsed" mean?

[SpeedRacer 1]

um, maybe he lives in a different time zone!

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[billvon 3,132]

>um, maybe he lives in a different time zone!

But even on the east coast that's only 7:30 pm - I mean, there are only four time zones, right?

[JohnRich 4]

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But John is likely jumping the gun on the story - the Cal legislature half passes a lot of BS bills. I wouldn't expect the governor to follow, esp in an election year.

If you think something is a dumb idea, then you shouldn't wait until it is passed to oppose it. When it's half-assedpassed is a good time to raise the objections, and nip it in the bud.

I didn't expect Governor Ahnold to pass the .50 caliber rifle ban either, but he did. So now Barrett has come out with a .416 cartridge and rifle that "shoots flatter, faster and hits harder than anything available", and gets around the ban. That's another example of a stupid gun law...

[vortexring 0]

ah, thats funny.

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

[vortexring 0]

Whats even more funny is how your editing all your posts John. So you won't forget mate, I'll remind you that earlier you asked 'why I was going to bed, seeing it was 1830.'

Well, DOH!

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

[kelpdiver 2]

you're in Texas, John. Reality here is a bit different.

Have little doubt that objections were raised. See the result? As with San Fran's Prop H, legislators are often alllowed their moment in the sun before saner minds prevail.

[JohnRich 4]

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Well, DOH!

You are spending a lot of time talking, but no time answering my questions. Do you consider that constructive to the debate? Why are you here?

[Skyrad 0]

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No. John, I really can't be arsed.

What does "arsed" mean?

LOL

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

[billvon 3,132]

>You are spending a lot of time talking, but no time answering my
> questions. Do you consider that constructive to the debate? Why are
> you here?

A few axioms of Speaker's Corner debates:

-Any criticisms of another poster's spelling or grammar will contain spelling or grammar mistakes.
-Any criticism that someone's post is unrelated to the topic will also be unrelated to the topic.
-Any contentious thread will eventually devolve to semantics, with one person claiming that "intended" isn't the same as "meant to." It will involve at least three on-line dictionary references and two Wikipedia articles.

[DrewEckhardt 0]

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News:

Gun 'Microstamping' Bill Passes California Senate

The bill would "expand the definition of unsafe handgun to include semiautomatic pistols that are not designed and equipped with a microscopic array of characters

In other words, it's a back-door ban on buying new handguns in California until some one decides its worthwhile to produce a California-Legal piece.

Then it's a only ban for poor people and inconvienence for the rest of us.

[kelpdiver 2]

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In other words, it's a back-door ban on buying new handguns in California until some one decides its worthwhile to produce a California-Legal piece.

keeps me from ever wondering very long if 6 handguns is a couple too many and I should sell some.

that and the only one I'm willing to part with (96FS) has the lowest resale value.

No way I give up the 226, 229, p7m8, or USPc.

[masterrig 1]

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>You are spending a lot of time talking, but no time answering my
> questions. Do you consider that constructive to the debate? Why are
> you here?

A few axioms of Speaker's Corner debates:

-Any criticisms of another poster's spelling or grammar will contain spelling or grammar mistakes.
-Any criticism that someone's post is unrelated to the topic will also be unrelated to the topic.
-Any contentious thread will eventually devolve to semantics, with one person claiming that "intended" isn't the same as "meant to." It will involve at least three on-line dictionary references and two Wikipedia articles.

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[Skyrad 0]

LOL...

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

[StreetScooby 5]

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A few axioms of Speaker's Corner debates:

-Any criticisms of another poster's spelling or grammar will contain spelling or grammar mistakes.
-Any criticism that someone's post is unrelated to the topic will also be unrelated to the topic.
-Any contentious thread will eventually devolve to semantics, with one person claiming that "intended" isn't the same as "meant to." It will involve at least three on-line dictionary references and two Wikipedia articles.

LOL!!!

We are all engines of karma

[christelsabine 1]

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Well, DOH!

You are spending a lot of time talking, but no time answering my questions. Do you consider that constructive to the debate? Why are you here?

Already half a dozens laughs in one of your gun thread. Isn't that nice? You're bringing joy to the world, JohnRich

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