vortexring 0 #51 August 30, 2006 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #52 August 30, 2006 QuoteAnd yet, you give NO real data. Very critical of his post, yet little to back up your own. Back in early July of this year rushmc was promising us some revelation on Saddam's WMD program and ties with 9/11 that would make us all eat our words. In January he was still claiming that Iraq had a WMD program despite all the official reports and White House admissions to the contrary. Apparently he has his own news source, one that no-one else has access to, that tells him this stuff. Maybe if you would just remove your tinfoil hat and listen very carefully.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #53 August 30, 2006 >Not true. One group, one religion was supported. All others >were crushed and persacuted. Your veiw of freedom? NO religions were supported. Read up on Iraqi history. Hussein crushed religious dissidents of all types; we are crushing religious insurgents of all types. >You know full well others, generals have stated differntly as recent as last week. Source? >You and yours need to get out of the lefty blogs to get real data. Ironic that you'd consider American Conservative Magazine and the Pentagon to be "lefty" sources. I think you have to be very, very far to the right to believe that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #54 August 30, 2006 Quote>Not true. One group, one religion was supported. All others >were crushed and persacuted. Your veiw of freedom? NO religions were supported. Read up on Iraqi history. Hussein crushed religious dissidents of all types; we are crushing religious insurgents of all types.Quote And nearly all of them are not Iraq's!! >You know full well others, generals have stated differntly as recent as last week. Source? This interview does not address your request but is very informative http://hughhewitt.townhall.com/g/d9e0773b-79e6-47dd-84ea-efe94021dd3b Abaziads comments on not getting closer to a civil war dated (and I misspoke above) this week http://www.redbolivia.com/noticias/News%20in%20English/24846.html And here http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/17690.html another http://newsblaze.com/story/20060828150518tsop.nb/newsblaze/IRAQ0001/Iraq.html >You and yours need to get out of the lefty blogs to get real data. Ironic that you'd consider American Conservative Magazine and the Pentagon to be "lefty" sources. I think you have to be very, very far to the right to believe that. I refer to your opininons not the article or magazine"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #55 August 30, 2006 I love the way you lefties put words in other people mouths "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #56 August 30, 2006 get a chance to read any of the links yet?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #57 August 30, 2006 >This interview does not address your request but is very informative . . . Interesting, but that's an example of how things are now WORSE in Iraq - Iran is helping the insurgents, if you believe the article. No matter how you spin it, a better funded insurgency is worse for us (and the Iraqis.) >Abaziads comments on not getting closer to a civil war dated (and I > misspoke above) this week . . . Read it. He also says that the "U.S.-Iraqi security clampdown in Baghdad is making great progress." But that was two days ago. Today: --------- BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Insurgents launched a string of bombings Wednesday in Baghdad and the nearby provinces of Diyala and Babil, killing at least 47 people and wounding more than 100 others, emergency officials said. The violence reflects an uptick in casualties since Sunday, with nearly 200 Iraqis dying in bombings and shootings -- a challenge for U.S.-led coalition and Iraqi troops who said they had been making progress in establishing law and order, particularly in the capital. ---------- It's great that he's optimistic. But we've been hearing the exact same story for THREE YEARS. Eventually you stop believing it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #58 August 30, 2006 You specifically asked for a source for a generals comments about civil war in Iraq! Now you ignore that point completly. Slick don't you think"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GTAVercetti 0 #59 August 30, 2006 QuoteYou specifically asked for a source for a generals comments about civil war in Iraq! Now you ignore that point completly. Slick don't you think He responded to the points of the articles. You just don't like what he has to say so you write it off as "slick" or "lefty-tactics" instead of giving counter-rationale of why he is incorrect. Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #60 August 30, 2006 QuoteQuoteYou specifically asked for a source for a generals comments about civil war in Iraq! Now you ignore that point completly. Slick don't you think He responded to the points of the articles. You just don't like what he has to say so you write it off as "slick" or "lefty-tactics" instead of giving counter-rationale of why he is incorrect. Not at all!! I read his comments but it was his omision to which I replyed"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GTAVercetti 0 #61 August 30, 2006 Did you type it in invisible text? Because otherwise, I missed the omission of whatever point you were trying to make. If you point was solely that there are sources, I think the fact that he responded to them is not an omission of the point.Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #62 August 30, 2006 >You know full well others, generals have stated differntly as recent as last week. Source?Quote This was his reply to my post. the following is a responce to me he generals over there do not think the civil war will happen either as reported last week. From the general leading US forces in Iraq: "I believe that the sectarian violence is probably as bad as I’ve seen it in Baghdad in particular, and that if not stopped it is possible that Iraq could move toward civil war. . ." Civil war was the topic. Have you caught up now?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GTAVercetti 0 #63 August 30, 2006 Actually, the main point was an increase in violence. Civil war as a result was a secondary point. You even said that the first article did not address what bill was talking about. You chose to focus solely on the civil war aspect, while bill focused more on just the worsening of the situation. So you both are arguing different aspects of the same problem.Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,132 #64 August 30, 2006 >Now you ignore that point completly. Just as you ignored the rising violence, and how you gave an example of how things are getting WORSE rather than better. But in any case, to return to the civil war thing, an interesting comment from Marine Col. T.X. Hammes: "The key is we've got to keep the manpower level high enough to stop the civil war, tamp it down, and then keep driving down those numbers being killed every day," he said. Yet more discussion of how to stop the civil war that doesn't exist. (thanks for the link to the source BTW.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,132 #65 August 31, 2006 Everyone remember that scene where the Iraqi Information Minister is doing an interview, claiming that Iraq is winning the war while US tanks rolled in the background? Attached is a screen capture taken during Bush's "we're winning the war in Iraq" speech today. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SpeedRacer 1 #66 August 31, 2006 Hey, it's Baghdad Bush! Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,132 #67 September 1, 2006 Today's update on the not-civil-war: -------------------------------- Pentagon: conditions for civil war exist in Iraq WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Conditions that could lead to a civil war exist in Iraq, the Pentagon said in a new report on Friday, as the "core conflict" has changed into one pitting Sunni Muslims against Shi'ites, with the Sunni Arab insurgency overshadowed. The Pentagon's congressionally mandated report provided a sober assessment of the situation in Iraq over the past three months, saying attacks increased by 15 percent over the prior three months and casualties among Iraqis surged 51 percent. -------------------------------- Those looney liberal Pentagon officials are at it again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,182 #68 September 1, 2006 QuoteToday's update on the not-civil-war: -------------------------------- Pentagon: conditions for civil war exist in Iraq WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Conditions that could lead to a civil war exist in Iraq, the Pentagon said in a new report on Friday, as the "core conflict" has changed into one pitting Sunni Muslims against Shi'ites, with the Sunni Arab insurgency overshadowed. The Pentagon's congressionally mandated report provided a sober assessment of the situation in Iraq over the past three months, saying attacks increased by 15 percent over the prior three months and casualties among Iraqis surged 51 percent. -------------------------------- Those looney liberal Pentagon officials are at it again! Sounds very uncivil to me.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #69 September 1, 2006 I heard the "total" interview . Nice cherry picking....."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,132 #70 September 1, 2006 >I heard the "total" interview . You heard an interview? What was it about? In my post I was referring to a written report from the Pentagon to Congress. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #71 September 1, 2006 I know, Google it........."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 3 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
GTAVercetti 0 #63 August 30, 2006 Actually, the main point was an increase in violence. Civil war as a result was a secondary point. You even said that the first article did not address what bill was talking about. You chose to focus solely on the civil war aspect, while bill focused more on just the worsening of the situation. So you both are arguing different aspects of the same problem.Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #64 August 30, 2006 >Now you ignore that point completly. Just as you ignored the rising violence, and how you gave an example of how things are getting WORSE rather than better. But in any case, to return to the civil war thing, an interesting comment from Marine Col. T.X. Hammes: "The key is we've got to keep the manpower level high enough to stop the civil war, tamp it down, and then keep driving down those numbers being killed every day," he said. Yet more discussion of how to stop the civil war that doesn't exist. (thanks for the link to the source BTW.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #65 August 31, 2006 Everyone remember that scene where the Iraqi Information Minister is doing an interview, claiming that Iraq is winning the war while US tanks rolled in the background? Attached is a screen capture taken during Bush's "we're winning the war in Iraq" speech today. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #66 August 31, 2006 Hey, it's Baghdad Bush! Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #67 September 1, 2006 Today's update on the not-civil-war: -------------------------------- Pentagon: conditions for civil war exist in Iraq WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Conditions that could lead to a civil war exist in Iraq, the Pentagon said in a new report on Friday, as the "core conflict" has changed into one pitting Sunni Muslims against Shi'ites, with the Sunni Arab insurgency overshadowed. The Pentagon's congressionally mandated report provided a sober assessment of the situation in Iraq over the past three months, saying attacks increased by 15 percent over the prior three months and casualties among Iraqis surged 51 percent. -------------------------------- Those looney liberal Pentagon officials are at it again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #68 September 1, 2006 QuoteToday's update on the not-civil-war: -------------------------------- Pentagon: conditions for civil war exist in Iraq WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Conditions that could lead to a civil war exist in Iraq, the Pentagon said in a new report on Friday, as the "core conflict" has changed into one pitting Sunni Muslims against Shi'ites, with the Sunni Arab insurgency overshadowed. The Pentagon's congressionally mandated report provided a sober assessment of the situation in Iraq over the past three months, saying attacks increased by 15 percent over the prior three months and casualties among Iraqis surged 51 percent. -------------------------------- Those looney liberal Pentagon officials are at it again! Sounds very uncivil to me.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #69 September 1, 2006 I heard the "total" interview . Nice cherry picking....."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #70 September 1, 2006 >I heard the "total" interview . You heard an interview? What was it about? In my post I was referring to a written report from the Pentagon to Congress. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #71 September 1, 2006 I know, Google it........."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
