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Has anyone been following this typhoon? Winds are already hitting 190mph, which ties it for the record. Any higher and we'd have a new record. (Apparently there was a claim that Typhoon Nancy hit 215mph, but that number is disputed.) It will remain a cat-5 typhoon for the next three days. Good thing there's not much out there (central pacific.)

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[Reply]Has anyone been following this typhoon? Winds are already hitting 190mph, which ties it for the record.



It's been seven years since Typhoon Ioke. It turned out Ioke didn't really break any records. She was a strong storm and hit as low as 915 hPa (that's an altimeter setting of 27.00 for you aviators out there). But the 195 mph winds just didn't happen. The stimates of building to 220 mph sustained winds didn't pan out.

Now we have typhoon Haiyan. Like Ioke, she's a big storm. The biggest in the last three years. News reports are about the Philippines being battered by 195 mph winds. Meanwhile, I haven't found an actual ground measurement that even reached 100 mph (again, a destructive force, but I haven't seen this Haiyan at any more than a weak Cat 2.)

What's going on here???


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masterblaster72

***The metric system.



I think it's AGW alarmists.

I am wondering why the hell we are hearing about the "worst storm of all time" and such matters. The present storm press is sounding EXACTLY like Ioke. The 195 mph magic number.

Why is it that people are saying the Philippines is being hit with 195 mph winds? It isn't. It's getting hit with Cat 1 or Cat 2 winds. Looking in the past, I see the same thing was said about Ioke. Comparing this to katrina and Sandy is kinda ridiculous, as well, seeing as how North Pacific Typhoons are usually more frequent and stronger than Atlantic Hurricanes. Typhoon Tip back in 1979? It dwarfed Sandy in size. Check out the atmospheric pressures in the eyes.

Reports are now those of "mass disruption" instead of "devastation." We see reports of worst storm ever - reliable records of typhoon intensity don't go back more than a few decades.

Finally - dvorak. The storm's intensity is being estimated by the Dvorak method. Which is pretty useful in many respects but - there isn't the raw data available. Dvorak really started coming into its own in the 1980s. And without satellite photos it wasn't possible. So we can't really even go back to the 1950s for some history on it.

It's a big storm. A strong storm. But this is another example of inflammation coupled with either a really short memory of other stronger storms or an eraser of the limits of history.


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JerryBaumchen

Hi rocket,

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another example of inflammation



Well, we have had more than one 'Trial of the Century.'

:P

JerryBaumchen


Indeed. That's exactly what I'm talking about. Press is seeing this stuff. And people like Jeff masters are claiming this is the most powerful landfalling storm "in world history.". [Url]http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/super-typhoon-haiyan-finishes-pounding-the-philippines-headed-for-vie[/url]

To his credit, Masters does write, "Haiyan's winds were estimated using only satellite images, making its intensity estimate of lower confidence." But this is only after he made the initial claims.


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All right. We're getting in some observational measurements. Top measured one-minute sustained windspeed looks like 147 mph. Gusts to 170. A big, bad sucker.

There are thousands dead. Some think upwards of 10k dead just in Tacloban. This is awful stuff.


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My brother lives in northern part of Mindanao Island.

When I checked the distance (how the crow flies because you can't get into a car and actually drive between the islands) from Ormoc, Philippines to Balingasag, Philippines it is approximately 300 miles. So they definitely sustained some high winds and lots of rain, but does not appear they were close enough to get the full impact of Super Typhoon Haiyan.

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All right. We're getting in some observational measurements. Top measured one-minute sustained windspeed looks like 147 mph. Gusts to 170. A big, bad sucker.

There are thousands dead. Some think upwards of 10k dead just in Tacloban. This is awful stuff.



Highest winds I saw cited were 199 mph sustained, gusting to 235.

In some areas there was 80% destruction of man made structures.

Seriously bad juju.

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