UNIFIL Disclosed Israeli Troop Movement

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DURING THE RECENT month-long war between Hezbollah and Israel, U.N. "peacekeeping" forces made a startling contribution: They openly published daily real-time intelligence, of obvious usefulness to Hezbollah, on the location, equipment, and force structure of Israeli troops in Lebanon.

UNIFIL--the United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon, a nearly 2,000-man blue-helmet contingent that has been present on the Lebanon-Israel border since 1978--is officially neutral. Yet, throughout the recent war, it posted on its website for all to see precise information about the movements of Israeli Defense Forces soldiers and the nature of their weaponry and materiel, even specifying the placement of IDF safety structures within hours of their construction. New information was sometimes only 30 minutes old when it was posted, and never more than 24 hours old.

Meanwhile, UNIFIL posted not a single item of specific intelligence regarding Hezbollah forces. Statements on the order of Hezbollah "fired rockets in large numbers from various locations" and Hezbollah's rockets "were fired in significantly larger numbers from various locations" are as precise as its coverage of the other side ever got.

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Sure enough, a review of every single UNIFIL web posting during the war shows that, while UNIFIL was daily revealing the towns where Israeli soldiers were located, the positions from which they were firing, and when and how they had entered Lebanese territory, it never described Hezbollah movements or locations with any specificity whatsoever.

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UNIFIL has just done what it then vowed it could never do. Once again, it has acted to shield one side in the conflict and to harm the other. Why is this permitted? For that matter, how did the U.N. obtain such detailed and timely military intelligence in the first place, before broadcasting it for Israel's enemies to see?

Full story here.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/012/622bqwjn.asp?pg=1

If this is true, it may explain why Israel hit the UNIFIL building. If so, I don't blame Israel for the for the missile attack.

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I have found the answer!!!

When the UN said that they were observers they were correct but there was an omission or typo, they meant to say FORWARD OBSERVERS

[warpedskydiver 0]

when they answered the phone in that bunker did they say "Fire Direction Control" how may I help you?

[vortexring 0]

...hello, UNIFIL, fire mission, over......

Wonder if they'd been asked by the Israeli's to screw the nut prior to 'endex.'?

It certainly seems they asked the Israeli's to screw the nut before hand.

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

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Just didn't want anyone to miss the last sentence.

"Lori Lowenthal Marcus is president of the Zionist Organization of America, Greater Philadelphia District."

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"Lori Lowenthal Marcus is president of the Zionist Organization of America, Greater Philadelphia District."

that's not an opinion, its a fact (publishing the info on their website), what does it matter who published it?

"Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."

[SkyDekker 1,465]

I went to the UNIFIL website and couldn't find a single posting on tropp movement on either side. Where exactly are these postings?

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"Lori Lowenthal Marcus is president of the Zionist Organization of America, Greater Philadelphia District."

that's not an opinion, its a fact (publishing the info on their website), what does it matter who published it?

I guess a more objective proof than the statement from a clearly partisan individual would be desirable. Corroboration?

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[falxori 0]

i'm not sure if that's what the reporter was talking about but this seems to be a pretty detailed reporting on troops movements and activities.

http://www.un.org/News/dh/latest/selectunifil.asp

but anyway, i don't make a big deal out of it because:
1) UNIFIL is there to observe and report (and prevent Hizbollah from attacking, which it didn't)
2) Hizbollah has a pretty good intelligence of its own and i doubt it really needs UNIFIL's help.

"Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."

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I went to the UNIFIL website and couldn't find a single posting on tropp movement on either side. Where exactly are these postings?

I'm not sure and that's one of the problems that I have with the article, a deeply biased author and no references. That aside this is the only site I'm aware of that gives specific reports, like this one:

8. Meanwhile, some of the heaviest fighting of the month-long conflict occurred
during the 48-hour period prior to the cessation of hostilities coming into effect.
Israel Defense Forces (IDF) intensified shelling and aerial bombardment across
Lebanon. Hizbollah launched a barrage of rockets into northern Israel. The two
sides exchanged heavy fire on the ground, in particular in the area of Bayyadah,
Al Jibbayn and Tayr Harfa in the western sector, and Mays al Jabal and Markaba in
the central sector.
9. In the midst of the escalation of fighting in the final hours leading up to the
cessation of hostilities, UNIFIL personnel endured 85 IDF-fired artillery shells
impacting directly inside several positions, 35 in the area of Tibnin alone, in
addition to 10 air-to-ground rockets and 108 artillery rounds landing in the
immediate vicinity of these and other United Nations positions, including the
UNIFIL headquarters in Naqoura. UNIFIL very fortunately did not suffer casualties
but a number of positions sustained significant material damage. The mission
strongly protested to IDF command throughout the period in question.
10. UNIFIL also strongly protested to the Lebanese authorities one incident of a
Hizbollah-fired rocket impacting directly inside a UNIFIL position in the area of
Ghanduriyah. The impact caused material damage but no casualties.
11. On the heels of this intensive fighting, the guns on all sides fell silent at
0500 hours GMT on 14 August, as agreed.

http://www.un.org/Depts/dpko/missions/unifil/unifilDrp.htm

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Just didn't want anyone to miss the last sentence.

"Lori Lowenthal Marcus is president of the Zionist Organization of America, Greater Philadelphia District."

Yea have you noticed how when there is negative news about Israel it is from all sources? Muslims, Christians, Europe, North America, but the majority of the articles printed that support Israel are written by Jews who are so obviously biased I mean come on dude “the Zionist Organization of America” that’s says it all.

I mean check your sources before you have a knee jerk reaction and think it is not one-sided view of a blinded journalist.

Laughable talk about reaching.
Next we will be getting a history lesson from Moshe Katsav.


Oh yea did you know he is a rapeist. i mean since we are posting what ever we can find.

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Israeli president denies sex allegations
LAST week, President Moshe Katsav was investigated on two occasions. On Sunday morning, Yedioth Ahronoth publishes excerpts of his version of events. ‘My wife Gila came to visit office. If we were there, everyone would have found out,’ he said


President Moshe Katsav denied the rape charges brought against him on two occasions. Yedioth Ahronoth published excerpts of his version of the events on Sunday morning. Among other things, he claimed it is impossible that he raped the plaintiff in his office because people visit the office all throughout the day. “My wife Gila pays a visit to my office, and so does my son Ariel. If we were there, everyone would have known about it.”


Scandal of President Moshe Katsav gets more involved Thursday, when additional details of A.’s testimony clarified. MK Shelly Yacimovich meets with her, says ‘I heard detailed account for few hours of alleged web of sex offenses from sexual harassment to rape’


President Katsav and his family are leaving on a week-long vacation during which he will not be brought in for questioning. In an interview for Kol Israel that was broadcast last weekend, Katsav said that he is innocent of any wrongdoing and pointed out that “it is inconceivable that the legislature is considering to bring (him) to justice.” He complained that Knesset members are asking him to relieve himself of his duties even before the inquiry on his matter was over. The president also said that he felt as if he is being publicly lynched without due process.

http://www.tribune.com.ng/28082006/world3.html

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[SkyDekker 1,465]

Thanks for the site. Looks like the original author took some liberties in his reporting....

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dude “the Zionist Organization of America” that’s says it all.

at least they make it public and don't hide behind "unbiased" names.

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Next we will be getting a history lesson from Moshe Katsav

watch your words, he was born in Iran, you know...

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Israeli president denies sex allegations

it worked for Clinton...
what's that has to do with anything?
or should I post the history of the Iranian president as a torturer?

"Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."

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I went to the UNIFIL website and couldn't find a single posting on tropp movement on either side. Where exactly are these postings?

Just go and read any of the press releases during the war. They most certainly do describe IDF troop movement.

http://www.un.org/Depts/dpko/missions/unifil/pr02.pdf

http://www.un.org/Depts/dpko/missions/unifil/pr03.pdf

http://www.un.org/Depts/dpko/missions/unifil/pr06.pdf

http://www.un.org/Depts/dpko/missions/unifil/pr07.pdf

This last one gives the specific position of the IDF at the present time. (on that date).

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I wonder why people don't call it for what it is, aiding Hezbollah as if they were their allies.

no DIA? call UNIFIL!!!

hey maybe they can do infomercials during jerry sringer

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I reda them quickly and am stiollnot so sure what the issue is?

1. the report movement of IDF troops that are actively engaged with Hezbollah. Since they are already engaged, it would hardly be a huge surprise to hezbollah.
2. they do indicate from which area Hezbollah is firing rockets.
3. Hezbollah was using a large tunnel system for much of their movements. Would you like the UN to use their x-ray vision on those?

I am certainly not saying the UN was perfect, but the article was biased and I think an honest review of these press releases indicates that.

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> I am certainly not saying the UN was perfect, but the article was biased and I think an honest review of these press releases indicates that.

Biased or not if the UN was transmitting IDF troop movements or publishing them on the WEB, subjects the UN troops to becoming military targets.

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Biased or not if the UN was transmitting IDF troop movements or publishing them on the WEB, subjects the UN troops to becoming military targets.

In the cases I read they reported it when there was an exchange of fire. Now, I am going on a limb and assume that IDF forces were exchanging fire with Hezbollah. So, from that I deduct that Hezbollah really already knew about it since they were actively fighting them. Hence there was no advantage gained.

Unless you want to argue that the IDF was firing at unarmed Lebanese civilians and that the UN posting about that helped hezbollah to find them.....but I somehow doubt that is what you meant....

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"The IDF is still present on the ground inside Lebanon territory in the area of Maran Al Ras in the central sector including the village itself".

I read this as providing specific information on where IDF forces are.

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"The IDF is still present on the ground inside Lebanon territory in the area of Maran Al Ras in the central sector including the village itself".

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I read this as providing specific information on where IDF forces are.

If I remember correctly, this was a follow up report to a report in which clashes and exchange of gunfire was reported....hardly groundbreaking news if you consider that.