shropshire 0 #1 August 26, 2006 QuoteThe Catholic Church has criticised Scottish prosecutors for cautioning the Celtic goalkeeper for crossing himself during a match against Rangers. Artur Boruc was cautioned for a breach of the peace over the incident at an Old Firm match at Ibrox in February. How fucking stupid. When laws are enforced to stop people, wearing crucifixes or head scarf’s in schools or making a big thing out of someone crossing themselves in public, the world's gone terminally mad . clicky (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scoop 0 #2 August 26, 2006 Scottish laws give them so much freedom. There is no such thing as PACE (POlice & Criminal Evidence Act) up there and if you so much as fart in public it can be construed as Breach of the Peace.. but yeah your absolutely right, its ridiculous Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #3 August 26, 2006 Wow. Their Catholic/Protestant issues may never fade.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,151 #4 August 26, 2006 QuoteQuoteThe Catholic Church has criticised Scottish prosecutors for cautioning the Celtic goalkeeper for crossing himself during a match against Rangers. Artur Boruc was cautioned for a breach of the peace over the incident at an Old Firm match at Ibrox in February. How fucking stupid. When laws are enforced to stop people, wearing crucifixes or head scarf’s in schools or making a big thing out of someone crossing themselves in public, the world's gone terminally mad . clicky I expect the Procurator Fiscal is a Rangers fan.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #5 August 26, 2006 I suspect that you're on the mark there. Religion isn't the biggest problem in the world today.... intolerance is. . (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kbordson 8 #6 August 26, 2006 QuoteReligion isn't the biggest problem in the world today.... intolerance is. . Agree 100%! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miked10270 0 #7 August 26, 2006 QuoteQuoteThe Catholic Church has criticised Scottish prosecutors for cautioning the Celtic goalkeeper for crossing himself during a match against Rangers. Artur Boruc was cautioned for a breach of the peace over the incident at an Old Firm match at Ibrox in February. How fucking stupid. When laws are enforced to stop people, wearing crucifixes or head scarf’s in schools or making a big thing out of someone crossing themselves in public, the world's gone terminally mad . clicky In defence of the Procurator Fiscal Service () there is a problem with sectarian violence arising from Celti-Rangers matches. The whole Catholic - Protestant thing spills out from NI to Glasgow in almost undiluted form. Boruc WASN'T cautioned for crossing himself. He was cautioned for the circumstances in which he chose to cross himself. This is less about religious freedom than inciting violence. Incidentally, a Scottish Caution isn't the same as an English one - there's no criminal record involved. In effect, he got a letter from the PF telling him that he "could" have been prosecuted for his actions, but isn't being on THIS occasion. In common parlance, he's been TELL'T to behave himself in future. That would & should have been an end to the matter, except for the local Catholic Church deciding to bleat about it and create a fuss. Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #8 August 26, 2006 cheers Mike. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miked10270 0 #9 August 26, 2006 QuoteScottish laws give them so much freedom. There is no such thing as PACE (POlice & Criminal Evidence Act) up there and if you so much as fart in public it can be construed as Breach of the Peace.. Do I detect a hint of jealousy there!!? Yeah... We don't have PACE. We have The Criminal Procedure (Scotland) Act & various evidential rules which give an equivalence to English Law, but a different way of getting there. We also have a wide range of "Common-Law" crimes, including the wonderful (and jealousy-inspiring) catch-all "Breach of the Peace". Acting in a riotous or disorderly manner to the alarm, annoyance or disturbance of "the lieges" The nice thing about this particular crime is that it's very open-ended & vague. It also carries unconditional powers of arrest - VERY useful for getting control of a situation where you're unsure just what you're going to report someone for at the time. As Y'All foreigners may gather, English cops don't have this particular tool available to them... And they're envious! Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scoop 0 #10 August 26, 2006 No I'm not jealous... you bastard!!!! We have to jump through hoops and detention is now even harder to authorise what with SOCA (the Serious & Organised Crime Act) EDIT TO ADD: I posted this in a British police forum I also make use of... QuoteSeem's stupid to me. If he was winding anyone up let the football association (does that apply to Scotland?) sort it out 'in house'. If for good luck I like to scratch my a**e and rub my nipples then thats fine too. Whatever happened to freedom of expression? Perhaps Scottish police would like to consider this from the International Decleration of Human Rights... Article 18. Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miked10270 0 #11 August 26, 2006 Quote EDIT TO ADD: I posted this in a British police forum I also make use of... Perhaps Scottish police would like to consider this from the International Decleration of Human Rights... Article 18. Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion... But not necessarily of action, particularly if their action incites others to commit crimes or is in breach of public peace. For example, in the current climate, a person may be a visibly devout Muslim, but must accept the personal consequences were he to shout: "Allah-u Akhbar!" (God is Great) as the plane he's on takes off!! OR a Sikh may wear his ceremonial dagger in public without fuss, but if he's shouting that he's going to kill somebody, then he can expect an offensve weapon charge to be added and arrest to be more immediate. It's all in the circumstances. Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scoop 0 #12 August 26, 2006 To be honest I didn't see the incident so yeah, its all context, I agree. But damn, anyone should be able to do whatever they want when it comes to that. If a muslim player had knelt down and started mock praying there wouldn't have been a word said because we'd have been too scared to take any action in my opinion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #13 August 26, 2006 QuoteTo be honest I didn't see the incident so yeah, its all context, I agree. But damn, anyone should be able to do whatever they want when it comes to that. If a muslim player had knelt down and started mock praying there wouldn't have been a word said because we'd have been too scared to take any action in my opinion. Nor would there have been any action if a French Player buggered the first person he caught after scoring, it is far too common afterall. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #14 August 26, 2006 Us 'Yanks', just thought we had it rough. Sheeesh! Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #15 August 26, 2006 Ha... At least he didn't do a High-Five..... that is truly a criminal gesture (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #16 August 26, 2006 QuoteHa... At least he didn't do a High-Five..... that is truly a criminal gesture __________________________________ You said it! High fives are great in Little League or kids sports in general. To see grown 'men' doing that is just too embarrassing to watch. Whatever happened to a good whack on the ass? Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #17 August 26, 2006 (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,151 #18 August 27, 2006 QuoteQuoteHa... At least he didn't do a High-Five..... that is truly a criminal gesture __________________________________ You said it! High fives are great in Little League or kids sports in general. To see grown 'men' doing that is just too embarrassing to watch. Whatever happened to a good whack on the ass? Remember the Icky Shuffle? Chuck... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #19 August 27, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteHa... At least he didn't do a High-Five..... that is truly a criminal gesture __________________________________ You said it! High fives are great in Little League or kids sports in general. To see grown 'men' doing that is just too embarrassing to watch. Whatever happened to a good whack on the ass? Remember the Icky Shuffle? Chuck ________________________________ I HAD forgotten it... till you mentioned it! Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
