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Should Great Britain close its borders to immigrants?

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Ok, something I'm sure most British people have felt like should be done at some time or another.

What could be easier to defend and control passage through than an island?

With all the trouble happening all over the world we are having a major influx of immigrants, paticularly those seeking asylum. Asylum, in my mind, is neccesary for someone to receive sanctuary in a safe environment, away from the danger they are running from. So why do (for example) Iraqis, Afghans, Kosovons, Albanians etc have to travel through so many countries and across the sea to find sanctuary in OUR country? >:( I'm sure safety can be found elsewhere. Is it because we have a superb benefits system, whereby immigrants with no paperwork can receive payments every week to eat and shop and also get accomodation paid for in the community?

Also Europeans (paticularly eastern Europe) are coming over in their thousands seeking work. I know of one factory they made a number of people redundant then the following week had a workforce made up of almost all Polish workers. No doubt they work hard and it's our own greedy fault for our companies employing a cheap wage but don't people think it's getting to the point where its getting stupid. I guess this is what happens when you become part of the EU and allow free passage and employment without restrictions.

Obviouslly no problem with foreign visitors with scheduled leave of the country but people coming over seeking employment from Europe and illegal immigrants that have travelled through 8 countries to take the piss out of our benefits system!? Is that right!? :|

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No we should not close our borders to Legal immigrants.

The EU is based upon open borders for products and services and that's how it should be.... Otherwise I wont be allowed to go and live in France or Spain (which I hope to do some day .... soon).

Unless of course, WE close our borders and expect everyone elses to remain open.... to us.


Illegals on the otherhand, should NOT be allowed to remain or disapear into the generalpopulation (as has been done recently)

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Just makes you think. I understand if you try to buy a house in Jersey you can't unless you have good reason. ie family there or you have an investment to make to the community (your minted)

If you've got nothing to offer us, and infact on the take, as in case of illegal immigrants, why should you be allowed in? If for example France, Germany or Ireland had a major civil war, I can understand people coming in as we are a neighbouring country.

I agree the EU thing is kinda cool, but creates bad blood when people are undercutting our workforce. We got enough of a problem finding jobs as it is. There isn't any at the moment in our little corner of England.

EDIT: Done some research...

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Strict control on immigration

Jersey operates a strict immigration policy by means of regulations which control the occupation of residential accommodation in the Island.

Wealthy individuals can apply for qualifications that will enable them to take up residency in Jersey. The regulation under which consent is granted is 1(1)k and such residents are colloquially known as "K" residents. These individuals must satisfy certain entry requirements which may vary in detail from year to year but can be summarised at present as follows:
their capital assets exceed £12 million
their annual income exceeds £750,000
they pay Jersey income tax of at least £200,000 pa

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We're small countries, and we're full. No I don't think we should close our doors completely but its gone 12am (one out one in) Immigrants should either bring required skills or be part of a quota to fill jobs Brits don't want to do. Seems to work for Australia and look how much space they have!
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Just as long as you hockey-toothed Brits and that stuff you call "food" don't start coming over to the US in any more droves, it's fine with me. There's enough of you over here already; but you have lousy attitudes: you refuse to learn Spanish.

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I wouldn't worry mate can't stand Taco bell, Micky D's, Burger King, Crispy Creame, IHOP, Wendys, and plastic Paddy bars. I think the US is safe from an invasion of world class cuisine. :P
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Just as long as you hockey-toothed Brits and that stuff you call "food" don't start coming over to the US in any more droves, it's fine with me. There's enough of you over here already; but you have lousy attitudes: you refuse to learn Spanish.



Hey, I learnt Spanish, real Spanish, Spain Spanish. Not that horrid Vos Spanish they talk in South America.

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What if she's 19, blonde, build like a brick shithouse, mute and easy..... still the closed borders or would you be content with her vacation tearing her away?

I noticed the post that money can influence immigration, but what about other factors? Or are you firm on the "closed borders."

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Hey, I learnt Spanish, real Spanish, Spain Spanish. Not that horrid Vos Spanish they talk in South America.


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Is that like Castilian (sp) There's a lot of Portugese spoken in South America. Is Vos a blending of Spanish and Portugese? I don't know, I'm just asking.


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In honesty I think it should be kinda like America where to live and work you have to be sponsored by a company or family, bring some skill or specialised knowledge (i.e. doctor) or have some other important reason such as close family abroad. I made enquiries to work as police officer in US but have to be citizen and therefore been resident for 3 years. It's possible as company I currently work for have department in Texas (Hi John, new neighbour!) and I am a skilled worker. Some sherriffs departments actually accept foreign applicants as there is an exception granted if they cannot find suitable local candidates.

Genuine asylum seekers allowed on temporary basis then sent back when threat has deemed to have gone (if appropriate).

Asylum seekers who are not genuine (those that have travelled through a number of countries should automatically be treated as such) rejected and deported immediatly.

Travellers without limitation but of course it will be hard to make sure their intention is to return home again.

We are a small country but we are getting bigger and bigger population wise with housing and employment shortages, national health and emergancy services overstretched. I think their should at least be a temporary restriction as other countries have where only a restricted number of immigrants per year are allowed from different countries. The free for all we have at the moment is causing problems I believe

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>build like a brick shithouse. . . .

Something I've always wondered - why is being built "like a shithouse" a compliment? I mean, consider the alternatives:

"She's as gorgeous as a pile of crap"
"He's as good-looking as a sewer pipe"
"Her face gives a toilet a run for its money"
"A sewage treatment plant would be jealous of his looks"

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It isn't a compliment really. We use it to describe for example, someone who is fucking huge and well built.

I have no idea why I'd want a 19 year old blonde girl built like one though :S I really don't go for the Russian shot putter typers :D

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It isn't a compliment really. We use it to describe for example, someone who is fucking huge and well built.

I have no idea why I'd want a 19 year old blonde girl built like one though :S I really don't go for the Russian shot putter typers :D



edit to actually add a comment.....

"fucking huge and well built" I thought that was what most guys wanted....

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Hey, I learnt Spanish, real Spanish, Spain Spanish. Not that horrid Vos Spanish they talk in South America.


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Is that like Castilian (sp) There's a lot of Portugese spoken in South America. Is Vos a blending of Spanish and Portugese? I don't know, I'm just asking.


Chuck




Vos is Castilian, It's a very respectful way of speaking that now in Spain is used for talking to royality,
Spain stopped using vos about fifty years ago,
I've noticed especially with the younger people that Usted is not used as much as it used to be,
maybe in a couple of generations it will that every one talks in Tu, An thats as it should be.

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Hey, I learnt Spanish, real Spanish, Spain Spanish. Not that horrid Vos Spanish they talk in South America.


________________________________

Is that like Castilian (sp) There's a lot of Portugese spoken in South America. Is Vos a blending of Spanish and Portugese? I don't know, I'm just asking.


Chuck




Vos is Castilian, It's a very respectful way of speaking that now in Spain is used for talking to royality,
Spain stopped using vos about fifty years ago,
I've noticed especially with the younger people that Usted is not used as much as it used to be,
maybe in a couple of generations it will that every one talks in Tu, An thats as it should be.


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Thank you. I learned Castilian and later, learned the 'Su' and 'Tu' forms. Here on the Southwest Border, 'Tu' is most common as well as a lot of 'bastardised' Tex-Mex. Carro rather than autobus and etc. After initially learning Castilian and trying to communicate with locals well, I got some strange looks from whoever I was talking with.:D Thanks, again for your help.


Chuck

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A shit-house is an outside toilet. Usually these would be a wooden shack affair at best - kinda like a poorly built shed.

A brick shit-house on the other hand would be one of uncommonly fine manufacture, sturdy, comfortable and capable of withstanding significant destructive forces.

Thus a person who is “built like a brick shit-house” has all of the above qualities. I must say however, I've never heard a woman referred to as one... such a title conjures up the image of a Russian shot-putter rather than anything favorable...

As to the subject of the thread - no, we shouldn't close our borders to EU migrants. If we want to be in the club we must sign up to all the club's rules. A really important one of those is that there must be free movement of people within the EU.

(Whether or not we ought to be in that club is perhaps a different thread).

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Is it still bad over there? I left Britain 14 years ago and we had a problem then. Hope the public transport system is still the best in the world though!
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Is it still bad over there? I left Britain 14 years ago and we had a problem then. Hope the public transport system is still the best in the world though!



Another Poll tax refuge huh, I beat you by a year, I got out when the light at the end of the tunnel
was turned off permanently.

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Well, i left the year previously and lived down under for a year. They just need to pull the chain on the Uk. And as for the comment on the food. That is the only thing i miss along with the pubs. I don't miss looking at british teeth though that i can tell ya
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Ok, something I'm sure most British people have felt like should be done at some time or another.

What could be easier to defend and control passage through than an island?

With all the trouble happening all over the world we are having a major influx of immigrants, paticularly those seeking asylum. Asylum, in my mind, is neccesary for someone to receive sanctuary in a safe environment, away from the danger they are running from. So why do (for example) Iraqis, Afghans, Kosovons, Albanians etc have to travel through so many countries and across the sea to find sanctuary in OUR country? >:( I'm sure safety can be found elsewhere. Is it because we have a superb benefits system, whereby immigrants with no paperwork can receive payments every week to eat and shop and also get accomodation paid for in the community?

Also Europeans (paticularly eastern Europe) are coming over in their thousands seeking work. I know of one factory they made a number of people redundant then the following week had a workforce made up of almost all Polish workers. No doubt they work hard and it's our own greedy fault for our companies employing a cheap wage but don't people think it's getting to the point where its getting stupid. I guess this is what happens when you become part of the EU and allow free passage and employment without restrictions.

Obviouslly no problem with foreign visitors with scheduled leave of the country but people coming over seeking employment from Europe and illegal immigrants that have travelled through 8 countries to take the piss out of our benefits system!? Is that right!? :|



I absolutely guarantee you there are more "indiginous", non immigrants in the UK, falsely claiming benefits than the "hordes" of asylum seekers that are "streaming" into the country. The benefits system was being exploited well before the Daily Mail was reporting on how our borders were being over run with illegals claiming benefits.

Legal immigrants coming into this country have actually helped keep the country's economy propped up for longer than would otherwise have been the case, and they certainly are illegible for claiming benefit. Although a double edged sword of keeping wage inflation down, it does mean that work gets done to a high standard and for less money than otherwise would have been the case. All these people are legal immigrants and will have to be paid at least the minimum wage. If they can do the same job to a higher standard for less money, or a job that someone from this country refuses to do because it's "below them", then why not? I guarantee you, if you were the owner of said business establishment, you would not hesitate in hiring them yourself - welcome to capitalism, money talks and everything else goes out the window.

Most Poles here are not here for the long term either - research shows alot of them work hard, live in rented accomodation (this has helped our housing market continue to stay propped up, which in turn has helped prop the economy up as consumer spending is directly related to perceived value in housing stock) and share housing with way more people than you and i would be comfortable with, just so they can get by on the bare minimum and send money back to their families. I don't know about you, but i would find it extremely difficult emotionally to travel a couple of thousand miles to live in a strange place and not be able to see my wife and kids for maybe a year or more because i couldn't afford to go back and forth to visit. That's what these people are doing - largely they wish to move back to their homeland after working here for a while.
There are more combined Australians, New Zealander's and South Africans in England than Eastern Europeans taking jobs that pay far more, doing far more skilled work, yet when was the last time you heard someone say "I wish all these Antipodeans would stay in their own damn country - they are taking all the best jobs here!". Why do you care more about the Poles who will be working in a cafe or a car mechanic on £5.05 or so an hour, than an IT specialist from South Africa who will be on £50,000/year when a "Brit could be doing that job"?

This is what happens when you become part of the EU - and it also means you can travel, live and work freely in any other EU nation, like many 100,000's of Brits choose to, be that France, Spain or elsewhere.

I don't want to generalise, but it sounds to me like you have spent far too much time with your nose buried in the Daily Mail. :S

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What if she's 19, blonde, build like a brick shithouse, mute and easy..... still the closed borders or would you be content with her vacation tearing her away?



Clse the boarder we've tons like that already:P
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