StreetScooby 5 #1 August 22, 2006 I've been debating this for a long time with myself, whether to put this to public discussion in this forum. Many years ago, I spent a couple years of my life developing a "life-understanding" that I call God and the First Law Of Thermodynamics The conclusions that I reached turned out to be pretty simple: 1) God is a verb. It's a great flow that we are all part of, whether you want to be or not. 2) Stay in your inner tube. Be happy, don't worry. Your thoughts are real. 3) Watch out for the big rocks. 4) Keep the cooler close at all times. Is there any interest in developing this topic in a civilized manner? It'll end up consisting of several distinct parts before the above conclusions are reached. We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scoop 0 #2 August 22, 2006 There was something about this in Dave Gormans googlewhack adventure and it relating to evolution *tries not to pretend to understand* Isn't the key phrase that fucks it all up - In a closed system blah blah blah? EDIT: I've re-read your post and I may have really misunderstood what you were on about Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #3 August 22, 2006 Quote In a closed system blah blah blah? I'm a chemical engineer by training. The thermo I was taught deals with "open" systems. It's basically pretty simple, and can be referred to as the "guzinta" law. What goes into a pipe does one of two things: 1) It stays in the pipe 2) It comes out the other end Goes into to... (guzinta) So, we'll definitely be discussing "thermodynamically open" systems.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scoop 0 #4 August 22, 2006 OK, this was in relation to a creationist trying to use the law of thermodynamics to prove evolution is impossible and horrifically misrepresenting the facts. I wonder if he learnt from us here in the SC? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #5 August 22, 2006 Quote OK, this was in relation to a creationist trying to use the law of thermodynamics to prove evolution is impossible and horrifically misrepresenting the facts. Creationists tend to present arguments that reflect their understanding of the Second Law of Thermodynamics. Creationists' understanding of the 2nd law tends to be limited, in my observations. In technical terms, the 2nd law says - The entropy of the universe stays constant, or increases, for every change that happens. Basically, the 2nd law can be viewed as follows: If it's happening, it's natural. Unnatural things do not happen. This discussion will focus on the 1st law, not the 2nd.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scoop 0 #6 August 22, 2006 My apologies. Looks like I'm out of my depth. I'm outta here! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #7 August 22, 2006 QuoteQuote In a closed system blah blah blah? I'm a chemical engineer by training. The thermo I was taught deals with "open" systems. It's basically pretty simple, and can be referred to as the "guzinta" law. What goes into a pipe does one of two things: 1) It stays in the pipe 2) It comes out the other end Goes into to... (guzinta) So, we'll definitely be discussing "thermodynamically open" systems. That's assuming nothing is lost through the walls of the pipe while it is travelling through as in 100% impermiableYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #8 August 23, 2006 Quote That's assuming nothing is lost through the walls of the pipe while it is travelling through as in 100% impermiable Agreed. In general, applied mathematicians use a control volume, rather than a pipe. A control volume is an arbitrary sphere in space.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #9 August 23, 2006 Quote Unnatural things do not happen. . You must have led a sheltered existence.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
micro 0 #10 August 23, 2006 QuoteQuote Unnatural things do not happen. . You must have led a sheltered existence. john, honest questions: do you think then, based on your post, that unnatural things happen? how do you define unnatural? I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #11 August 23, 2006 Or it becomes a part of the pipe? . (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #12 August 23, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuote Unnatural things do not happen. . You must have led a sheltered existence. john, honest questions: do you think then, based on your post, that unnatural things happen? how do you define unnatural? You have NO idea how much this pains me, but I'm with Mirco on this, In the system we are talking about here, all things are natural, if the happening is not YET explainable this does not mean it's UN-natural, merely that our current understanding of physics is limited (and john yo KNOW that to be true)You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #13 August 23, 2006 Quote Unnatural things do not happen. You've quoted me out of context. The full statement was: If it's happening, it's natural. Unnatural things do not happen.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #14 August 23, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuote Unnatural things do not happen. . You must have led a sheltered existence. john, honest questions: do you think then, based on your post, that unnatural things happen? how do you define unnatural? Was a time you could be arrested and imprisoned for committing "unnatural acts"... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
micro 0 #15 August 23, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote Unnatural things do not happen. . You must have led a sheltered existence. john, honest questions: do you think then, based on your post, that unnatural things happen? how do you define unnatural? You have NO idea how much this pains me, but I'm with Mirco on this, In the system we are talking about here, all things are natural, if the happening is not YET explainable this does not mean it's UN-natural, merely that our current understanding of physics is limited (and john yo KNOW that to be true) I do believe, my friend, that you owe (even if you don't drink) I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #16 August 23, 2006 Ok, so it sounds like there reasonable interest in pursuing this as a topic for disucssion. I'll spend some time and put together the next piece on this. Thanks, guys.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
micro 0 #17 August 23, 2006 QuoteOk, so it sounds like there reasonable interest in pursuing this as a topic for disucssion. I'll spend some time and put together the next piece on this. Thanks, guys. Reasonable, yes, but I gotta admit, this is pretty heady stuff for me. You might wanna dumb it down a little for me I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #18 August 23, 2006 Quote You might wanna dumb it down a little for me Having seen many of your posts, I fully expect some serious contribution from you I'm looking forward to it. We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
