Church fires teacher for being female

[kallend 2,118]

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If you study all religions side by side and take the original text. No religion has admitted women are equals to men but Islam.

Really? Any text in the Koran that reads like Galations 3:28? There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

When was the last female Pope elected? When was the last female cardinal appointed?

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[Darius11 12]

There is also test in the bible that states woman should be silent and not allowed teaching men.

We can quote text from all religious books if you like, however it does not change the facts that in Iran woman do half to follow religious laws just as the men do. All people who are considered adults, which in Iran is after puberty must not show parts of there body that would be considered sexual.

You opinion if this is a stupid law or backwards is not an issue. Different culture and I know for a fact that many of the Iranian women I have talked to wouldn’t change polices with American woman EVER. That’s their opinion.
However the issue is if Woman in Iran are being oppressed. The answer to that is a solid No.


As Stated before what I was thought in Iran was that Men and woman are not similar but are equals which is once again a fact that can’t be denied.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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Wow, why am I not surprised? It is not like they need chaperon, are not allowed to walk by themselves outside their home, or the laws targets them as second class citizens, are you implying that by any chance?

No I am not, but if you are telling me that in practice women are equal to men in the US, you are kidding yourself.

So, my statement was more along the lines of, clean up your own house before you start telling others how dirty theirs is....

[steveorino 7]

That wasn't his statement was it?

We all know different 'denominations" have excluded women. I'm not catholic. Mine (Church of God Anderson, IN) doesn't.

His statement was "No religion has admitted women are equals to men but Islam." I begged to differ with his statement. I never made a statment about the Roman Catholic church.

steveOrino

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There is also test in the bible that states woman should be silent and not allowed teaching men.

There are MANY theologians (if not most) who believe Paul was addressing Timothy's problem in Ephesus where Timothy pastored and would not give that statement weight to speak to the whole church for all of eternity.

Heck, the first evangels were women who came from the empty tomb.

Im still waiting for your text from the Koran.

steveOrino

[juanesky 0]

Still you missed the point. For one state to base their constitution on Islam, leaves no room for tolerance, and ruled by IMAMS.

There are laws that forbid women from the liberties men enjoy, in your old country, Iran. Just check you old constitution.

Too bad the media does a mediocre job in reporting the constant abuses women suffer in Islamic countries. There are very few exceptions. Check your facts, before stating "Islam gives women empowerment and freedom".

"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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There are laws that forbid women from the liberties men enjoy

There were and are laws in the US that do the same thing. Get off your high horse and fix the inequalities in your own country before you start bashing others.

[juanesky 0]

And that would be wchich laws? Do women here have to fear walking by themselves without fear of reprisal by the Imams or the general male population (Not your regular criminals of course)?

See how the rule under the Taliban was, do a little search if you'd like.

"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

[kallend 2,118]

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There are laws that forbid women from the liberties men enjoy

There were and are laws in the US that do the same thing. Get off your high horse and fix the inequalities in your own country before you start bashing others.

Matthew 7:3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

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[zoobrothertom 5]

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I guess I am happy the church and state is separate in this country imagine if this dude was dictator.

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Yeah, it would be a lot like Muslim countries where women are widely oppressed.

Women still make less than men in North America.
Women are under represented in Senior management positions in North America.
Women are under represented in senior political positions in North America.

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Uhm, so women do work with men. Women are in senior management and women are in senior political positions in North America. Thanks for setting us straight.

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[SkyDekker 1,465]

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And that would be wchich laws? Do women here have to fear walking by themselves without fear of reprisal by the Imams or the general male population (Not your regular criminals of course)?

Can a woman go topless on a public beach in the US? Can a man?

In practice (menaing there are no specific laws against, but culture seems to be working against equality) women make less than men, women are underrepresented in senior management positions, women are underrepresented in senior political positions, women are under represented in senior military positions.

I am not saying the US (or Canada) is worse than say Taliban ruled Afghanistan (or many other muslim based countries). Just saying that you may not really be in the right position to start claiming how women and men are treated equal in the US.

[kallend 2,118]

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I guess I am happy the church and state is separate in this country imagine if this dude was dictator.

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Yeah, it would be a lot like Muslim countries where women are widely oppressed.

Women still make less than men in North America.
Women are under represented in Senior management positions in North America.
Women are under represented in senior political positions in North America.

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Uhm, so women do work with men. Women are in senior management and women are in senior political positions in North America. Thanks for setting us straight.

What % of the US population is female?
What % of Fortune 500 companies have women CEOs?
What % of US universities have women presidents?
What % of US bishops are women?
What % of US Presidents and VPs have been women?
What % of US Senators are women?
What % of US Congresspersons are women?
What % of professional sportspersons are women?

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[SkyDekker 1,465]

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Uhm, so women do work with men. Women are in senior management and women are in senior political positions in North America. Thanks for setting us straight.

I think you missed the point, I wasn't talking about absolutes.

[Darius11 12]

Have you ever been to Iran?

Where do you get your information?

I am speaking of real life experience in Iran what about you?

I am not saying Iran is like the United States, but believe it or not ours is not the only way people want to live.

Once again I repeat, as you seem to have missed what I said.

In Iran woman are allowed to drive, Go out alone, Go to School, We have woman doctors, engineers, scientist, and on and on.

All you have to do is go look at how people live. Maybe that will not be even enough.
Many view the woman in Iran who are wearing Hejab (which is basically a dress code for men and woman) might seem to you as oppressed, but that is because your mind is closed and your eyes are blinded by what you see as normal.

I am not saying all Iranian woman want to wear that I am sure there are some who would love to walk around naked, however as a culture the majority decides what is considered decent.

Also the culture is different. Many things that have become normal in this country are still considered oddities and negatives in Iran. If you have a single parent in Iran it is considered something odd specially if they were never married. You might go on and on about how one parent is enough and blah blah blah that’s fine. That is the way things are done here. However it is not done that way there. You and no one else have the right or should be so blindly arrogant to assume that you have the answers or that your culture is the right way.

All you have to do is look at problems we have in this country to realize we are not perfect.

It would be great if instead of judging other cultures and the normal Muslim bashing you seem to enjoy you would concentrate on our own social problems.

You seem to be very sensitive to woman’s rights that’s great. How about ask the president that you are very supportive of why he is allies with the biggest oppressor of woman’s rights Saudi Arabia? Or how we had no issue on turning a blind eye and not even mentioning how woman are treated by the talabon when they were doing our biding.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[Darius11 12]

oh yea did you even read this thread?



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Church fires teacher for being female
© 2006 The Associated Press

WATERTOWN, N.Y. — The minister of a church that dismissed a female Sunday School teacher after adopting what it called a literal interpretation of the Bible says a woman can perform any job _ outside of the church.

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The First Baptist Church dismissed Mary Lambert on Aug. 9 with a letter explaining that the church had adopted an interpretation that prohibits women from teaching men. She had taught there for 54 years.

The letter quoted the first epistle to Timothy: "I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent."

The Rev. Timothy LaBouf, who also serves on the Watertown City Council, issued a statement saying his stance against women teaching men in Sunday school would not affect his decisions as a city leader in Watertown, where all five members of the council are men but the city manager who runs the city's day-to-day operations is a woman.

"I believe that a woman can perform any job and fulfill any responsibility that she desires to" outside of the church, LaBouf wrote Saturday.

Mayor Jeffrey Graham, however, was bothered by the reasons given Lambert's dismissal.

"If what's said in that letter reflects the councilman's views, those are disturbing remarks in this day and age," Graham said. "Maybe they wouldn't have been disturbing 500 years ago, but they are now."

Lambert has publicly criticized the decision, but the church did not publicly address the matter until Saturday, a day after its board met.

In a statement, the board said other issues were behind Lambert's dismissal, but it did not say what they were.

Is hapening in the US now.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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The minister of a church that dismissed a female Sunday School teacher after adopting what it called a literal interpretation of the Bible says a woman can perform any job _ outside of the church.

Where is the ACLU or NOW when you really need them?

[kallend 2,118]

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The minister of a church that dismissed a female Sunday School teacher after adopting what it called a literal interpretation of the Bible says a woman can perform any job _ outside of the church.

Where is the ACLU or NOW when you really need them?

ACLU concerns itself with abuses by the GOVERNMENT.

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Have you ever been to Iran?

No, but have read its constitution and what goes on inside there. Have Iranian Female friends who actually got into the shitty side of the law, AN ISLAMIC LAW OF THE LAND, that turns often in intolerance against all other religions.

If you are so happy about a religious government, then go back, don't patronize us just because your heart is over there still, and don't tell us how great! a muslim goverment is, because it is not. No countries in this world is immune to faults, errors, etc, but seeing the normal trend against women in Islamic sharia rulled countries, there is little doubt that tolerance is not a sign.

I have been in 5 islamic countries, and do not like how they treat their women, or their personal hygiene, but that is me. Not to offend you, but that is real, factual observation and it does not apply to all either.

Now, about your personal attacks, I don't even get bother by them. so keep on showing how biased pro islamic-mujahadeen, anti semitic your comments are and entertain us!

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Where do you get your information?

I am speaking of real life experience in Iran what about you?

How about Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Egypt, Morocco, Algeria. Are those muslim enough for you boy?

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Once again I repeat, as you seem to have missed what I said.

In Iran woman are allowed to drive, Go out alone, Go to School, We have woman doctors, engineers, scientist, and on and on.

All you have to do is go look at how people live. Maybe that will not be even enough.
Many view the woman in Iran who are wearing Hejab (which is basically a dress code for men and woman) might seem to you as oppressed, but that is because your mind is closed and your eyes are blinded by what you see as normal.

I am not saying all Iranian woman want to wear that I am sure there are some who would love to walk around naked, however as a culture the majority decides what is considered decent.

Apparently that is what you are saying. When the government tells you what to wear, it is because you enjoy freedom...

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Also the culture is different. Many things that have become normal in this(your) country are still considered oddities and negatives in Iran. If you have a single parent in Iran it is considered something odd specially if they were never married. You might go on and on about how one parent is enough and blah blah blah that’s fine. That is the way things are done here. However it is not done that way there. You and no one else have the right or should be so blindly arrogant to assume that you have the answers or that your culture is the right way.

[blue\We have come along in a big way, apparently you seem to forget that worlwide women's emancipation have been a recurring event, and in today's western world there are still a few burdens to be dealt with, but we have no hizbullah (cultural police) roaming around, with the power to strike what they consider "offensive". There are bigots in this country, but most likely they can be dealt in a court of law, unlike Iran, where the rule is in favor of Islamic principles...[

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All you have to do is look at problems we have in this country to realize we are not perfect.

You are certainly a genius!.

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It would be great if instead of judging other cultures and the normal Muslim bashing you seem to enjoy you would concentrate on our own social problems.

You seem to be very sensitive to woman’s rights that’s great. How about ask the president that you are very supportive of why he is allies with the biggest oppressor of woman’s rights Saudi Arabia? Or how we had no issue on turning a blind eye and not even mentioning how woman are treated by the talabon when they were doing our biding.

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Not really sensitive, it has always been the case that if I see something bad going on, I will try to step up, and help anyone in need. Among my many trainning, it includes personal defense, as well as medical experience. I just don't like the bulshit, or bullies. But that is me. I don't expect to be a social worker.

Good luck with your hate!

"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

[billvon 3,090]

Both of you - enough with the personal attacks.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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I am not saying all Iranian woman want to wear that I am sure there are some who would love to walk around naked, however as a culture the majority decides what is considered decent.

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Apparently that is what you are saying. When the government tells you what to wear, it is because you enjoy freedom...

What is the difference with the US government telling women what they can and can't expose/wear, specially since it is different from what men can expose/wear?

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As far as the church's actions go... Perhaps they should have a look at The Gnostic Gospels... The ones suppressed by The Catholic Church (quelle surprise).

Mike.

Suppressed? You gotta be kidding me. I can go to any bookstore anywhere and pick up a copy of the gnostic gospels. Suppressed my ass. The Catholic Church simply stated that the content of the gnostic gospels are not consistent w/ the other books of the bible.

[zoobrothertom 5]

What % of the US population is female?
What % of Fortune 500 companies have women CEOs?
What % of US universities have women presidents?
What % of US bishops are women?
What % of US Presidents and VPs have been women?
What % of US Senators are women?
What % of US Congresspersons are women?
What % of professional sportspersons are women?
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Show me a non-democratic country that does better. This world is not a utopia.

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[shropshire 0]

What % of the US Nun population is female?

Bloody discrimination, that's what that is

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[kallend 2,118]

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What % of the US population is female?
What % of Fortune 500 companies have women CEOs?
What % of US universities have women presidents?
What % of US bishops are women?
What % of US Presidents and VPs have been women?
What % of US Senators are women?
What % of US Congresspersons are women?
What % of professional sportspersons are women?
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Show me a non-democratic country that does better. This world is not a utopia.

So we should assess our society's values by comparison with non-democracies? Don't you think our ideals should be a little higher than that?

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[zoobrothertom 5]

Oh, get real! Except for Europe & N, America, with whom would you have me compare? (ok, throw in NZ & AU). If you want a utopia, go back to the books! As I said before, this world is not perfect. Eliminate poverty, prostitution, homelessness (sp), and all the other problems with any society. You're kidding, right? The 'western" democracies aren't the best, but they're the best thing to happen to women in history. So, get off your collegiate high horse and get in touch with reality.

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