more secrecy

[kallend 2,146]

From the "locking the stable door after the horse has left" department of the White House:

msnbc.msn.com/id/14431100/

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[Gawain 0]

This particular point doesn't makes sense to me either. The information has been around for decades, and copied and communicated in one form or another.

The key to truly effective secret-classification is to secure as little as possible, making it easier to manage less data and allowing it easier for fewer people to truly have a "need to know".

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

[kallend 2,146]

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This particular point doesn't makes sense to me either. The information has been around for decades, and copied and communicated in one form or another.

The key to truly effective secret-classification is to secure as little as possible, making it easier to manage less data and allowing it easier for fewer people to truly have a "need to know".

Obsessive secrecy sems to be a hall-mark of this administration, starting with sealing the Reagan/Bush presidential records which was about the first act taken by GWB on assuming office.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[Channman 2]

> Obsessive secrecy sems to be a hall-mark of this administration, starting with sealing the Reagan/Bush presidential records which was about the first act taken by GWB on assuming office.

How did you find that out!!, that was suppose to be a secret.

[Gawain 0]

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Obsessive secrecy sems to be a hall-mark of this administration, starting with sealing the Reagan/Bush presidential records which was about the first act taken by GWB on assuming office.

I agree that there is a great deal of secrecy in the current administration, but I don't think it's "obsessive" per se. Maybe things are getting overdone, but it is better than not doing anything (one is easier to correct than the other).

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

[mr2mk1g 10]

Isn't the release of this information specifically required by many of the non-proliferation treaties entered into by the US and Russia?

[billvon 3,111]

>Maybe things are getting overdone, but it is better than not doing
>anything (one is easier to correct than the other).

When it comes to government, having the government do too little is definitely preferable to having them do too much. It's easy to give them power, but next to impossible to take it back.

[akarunway 1]

Shit. I was watching "Future Weapons" on Discovery Channel last nite. They showed all kinds of cool new weapons systems coming out. I hope Al Queda didn't see the show for preventive tactics or we are trying to scare them one. Some of the shit they showed SHOULD be secret me thinks

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

[Gawain 0]

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>Maybe things are getting overdone, but it is better than not doing
>anything (one is easier to correct than the other).

When it comes to government, having the government do too little is definitely preferable to having them do too much. It's easy to give them power, but next to impossible to take it back.

I don't dispute that point at all. Classification of information though is a whole different matter, especially in this case.

Governmental control over a "governement" program (defense or otherwise) is neither the ceding of, nor the retention of control from the taxpayers.

How information about the US ICBM (and related systems) force strength is handled is not the responsibility of the civilian sector, never has been. It's the responsibility of the military sector, in accordance with political policy.

Now, while I think the possibility of the re-classification being discussed is "off track", I don't think it's an "over reach" of power.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

[rickjump1 0]

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I don't dispute that point at all. Classification of information though is a whole different matter, especially in this case.

Governmental control over a "governement" program (defense or otherwise) is neither the ceding of, nor the retention of control from the taxpayers.

How information about the US ICBM (and related systems) force strength is handled is not the responsibility of the civilian sector, never has been. It's the responsibility of the military sector, in accordance with political policy.

Now, while I think the possibility of the re-classification being discussed is "off track", I don't think it's an "over reach" of power.

Funny how the government works when the civilian sector exerts enough political pressure for the sake of "good business". The Clinton administration pushed to stop export restraints on ICBM technology so Hughes Co. could show the Chinese how to put satellites in orbit (the Chinese could do it cheaper). We simply accelerated Chinese ICBM capability to accurately attack us.

Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts.

[Gawain 0]

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Funny how the government works when the civilian sector exerts enough political pressure for the sake of "good business". The Clinton administration pushed to stop export restraints on ICBM technology so Hughes Co. could show the Chinese how to put satellites in orbit (the Chinese could do it cheaper). We simply accelerated Chinese ICBM capability to accurately attack us.

Don't forget the technology they stole from us too.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

[warpedskydiver 0]

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Funny how the government works when the civilian sector exerts enough political pressure for the sake of "good business". The Clinton administration pushed to stop export restraints on ICBM technology so Hughes Co. could show the Chinese how to put satellites in orbit (the Chinese could do it cheaper). We simply accelerated Chinese ICBM capability to accurately attack us.

Don't forget the technology they stole from us too.

I am not so shure it was STOLEN but may have been PURCHASED BY NEFARIOUS MEANS