winsor 236 #101 August 17, 2006 QuoteThat's really sad. Education and the national debt our the greatest threats facing our country. Nah, it's either ignorance or apathy. I'm not sure which - but then again, I don't really care. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,141 #102 August 17, 2006 QuoteQuote Isaac Newton famously remarked in a letter to Robert Hooke, dated 5 February 1676: "If I have seen a little further it is by standing on the shoulders of giants." In order to stand on the shoulders of giants, it is important to recognize the difference between giants and pygmies. Our civilization has not been created by cultural illiterates. the masses of Newton's time were far more ignorant than that of modern time. Mass was force/acceleration even in Newton's time. The peasants in Newton's time had no access to education. That is not true in our society. The ignorant in our society have no excuses.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #103 August 17, 2006 QuoteSomehow this makes me feel good. I would not know a contestant, or for that matter the host of American Idol if they bit me in the ass. There was a Clay and a Ruben, and I think one of them won it, but I'm not sure what year that was. The judges are Paula Abdul (an ex-singer/dancer), Simon (frequently maligned for being brutally honest), and Randy (some black guy). That's the extent of my American Idol knowledge. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #104 August 18, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuote Isaac Newton famously remarked in a letter to Robert Hooke, dated 5 February 1676: "If I have seen a little further it is by standing on the shoulders of giants." In order to stand on the shoulders of giants, it is important to recognize the difference between giants and pygmies. Our civilization has not been created by cultural illiterates. the masses of Newton's time were far more ignorant than that of modern time. Mass was force/acceleration even in Newton's time. The peasants in Newton's time had no access to education. That is not true in our society. The ignorant in our society have no excuses. yet civilization progressed, so it makes your point false. Instead we're back to petty elitism (from a prof - what a shock). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #105 August 18, 2006 QuoteThat's really sad. Education and the national debt our the greatest threats facing our country. Both are doing worse under this admin.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #106 August 18, 2006 Quoteonce again someone comes up with a list of half irrelevent facts and is disappointed that they're not known. Of course more people know Homer Simpson than the Latin classics by Homer. There are 10-20 episodes a week of the simpsons on TV- my tivo records a half dozen of them. FWIW the Simpsons did the Odyssey once. There are a huge number of books to choose from in literature. My recollection of Honors English from the 80s was there it was heavily slanted towards English writers, with the one year of American lit. (It's far more important that kids read Huck Finn than the Iliad, imo) Mercury? Relevence? Same for Tony Blair - has the US ever followed England's lead? As for 5% not knowing the 9th month is September- I hope they were confused by the question, or scribbled outside the bubble. QuoteOf course more people know Homer Simpson than the Latin classics by Homer. There are 10-20 episodes a week of the simpsons on TV- my tivo records a half dozen of them. That's the point, more people watch TV than read. QuoteAs for 5% not knowing the 9th month is September- I hope they were confused by the question, or scribbled outside the bubble. Why are you busy making rationalizations for stupid people? Why is your conclusion that this is no big deal? Sure, the earth won't tilit of its axis if people know more of the Little Caesars than the Julius Caesar, but it is a barometer of the country's mind. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #107 August 18, 2006 QuoteI know plenty of people holding advanced degrees who voted for GWB. They wonder who in their right mind would have voted for either Gore or Kerry. The rich paid most of the taxes prior to GWB's tax cut. They still pay most of the taxes today. Given the increase in class disparity, you explain it well Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #108 August 18, 2006 QuoteI find something funny about that most of those people who are stupid are the one's in charge. Currently perhaps. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #109 August 18, 2006 Do you think so? Ever watch Jaywalking? I think this poll represents what you would expect to find out there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #110 August 18, 2006 The idea is that if you know all the tough ones, you know who your senator and representatives are, you know who your local politicians are, you are culturally and civically aware..... or, you know what tme the Simpson's come on..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,141 #111 August 18, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote Isaac Newton famously remarked in a letter to Robert Hooke, dated 5 February 1676: "If I have seen a little further it is by standing on the shoulders of giants." In order to stand on the shoulders of giants, it is important to recognize the difference between giants and pygmies. Our civilization has not been created by cultural illiterates. the masses of Newton's time were far more ignorant than that of modern time. Mass was force/acceleration even in Newton's time. The peasants in Newton's time had no access to education. That is not true in our society. The ignorant in our society have no excuses. yet civilization progressed, so it makes your point false. Instead we're back to petty elitism (from a prof - what a shock). Civilization wasn't advanced much by uneducated peasants. If education counts so little (in your eyes) I wonder why parents are spending $120,000 + to send their kids to college these days.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #112 August 18, 2006 If education counts so little (in your eyes) I wonder why parents are spending $120,000 + to send their kids to college these days. Quote Same reason we do a lot of things. We have been sold a bill of goods that a 4 year college education is needed to get ahead. Fortunatley that is now starting to change in some areas/fields Now that depends on the field you want to get into in some cases. I guess what I find so interesting is the arogance of some of those that think they are better and better off with a degree."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GTAVercetti 0 #113 August 18, 2006 I would like to see your statistics that not having a degree is more profitable than having one.Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,465 #114 August 18, 2006 QuoteI guess what I find so interesting is the arogance of some of those that think they are better and better off with a degree. Statistically you are, even if there are exceptions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PLFXpert 0 #115 August 18, 2006 Having graduated college just under 4 years ago, I can tell you it was a requirement for my first job which paid me more in my first year than most people in the industry for 20 years. When I left that position and job-searched for another, I can tell you the degree in my back pocket served me very well for the better-paying jobs. My friends near and around my same age (26) would concur. Of course, we are just a small sample of the population, but I think we're pretty representative. I might agree if you specified what type of degree. I think there are only a limited # of professions that benefit from having a masters or further degree than a 4-year.Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GTAVercetti 0 #116 August 18, 2006 seriously. this has got to stop. it is so horrible, i forgot how to capitalize my words. Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PLFXpert 0 #117 August 18, 2006 Ahhhh, my plan is working well... Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GTAVercetti 0 #118 August 18, 2006 Quote Ahhhh, my plan is working well... I am not sure what this plan is. It is not like you are convincing me of anything. Or was it for me to lose my ability to capitalize? Because that ability has returned and that is a really lame plan. Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,098 #119 August 18, 2006 >Same reason we do a lot of things. We have been sold a bill of > goods that a 4 year college education is needed to get ahead. > Fortunatley that is now starting to change in some areas/fields True. Given the current degree of outsourcing, there are fine careers available in the food services and hospitality sectors for those who don't want useless degrees. >I guess what I find so interesting is the arogance of some of those >that think they are better and better off with a degree. I'm better off with a degree. Before I got a degree: job cleaning bathrooms in a county park After I got a degree: job designing things for a defense contractor. Does that make me arrogant? Maybe. But I'd rather be called arrogant while designing radar systems than be called one of the good ol' boys while picking used tampons out of the garbage. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Shotgun 1 #120 August 18, 2006 QuoteDoes that make me arrogant? Maybe. I don't think it was the degree that made you arrogant. In general, I think that most people are better off financially and career-wise with a degree than without one. But of course there are exceptions... I won't get into the "better person" thing though; that's too subjective, and I don't tend to think in terms of one person being "better" than another. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #121 August 18, 2006 Quote>Same reason we do a lot of things. We have been sold a bill of > goods that a 4 year college education is needed to get ahead. > Fortunatley that is now starting to change in some areas/fields True. Given the current degree of outsourcing, there are fine careers available in the food services and hospitality sectors for those who don't want useless degrees. >I guess what I find so interesting is the arogance of some of those >that think they are better and better off with a degree. I'm better off with a degree. Before I got a degree: job cleaning bathrooms in a county park After I got a degree: job designing things for a defense contractor. Does that make me arrogant? Maybe. But I'd rather be called arrogant while designing radar systems than be called one of the good ol' boys while picking used tampons out of the garbage. Nice bill. BS but nice. I don't have a degree and I am doing quite well thank you and I do not believe I am the exception. By the way, very misleading nutty examples if you ask me"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GTAVercetti 0 #122 August 18, 2006 Once again. Show me your statistics that, ON THE WHOLE, the average citizen is not going to make more money with a degree. I don't care what you "think" (read: what you feel to be true). Just because it is true for you and people you know, it is certainly not indicative of how it is for everyone.Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #123 August 18, 2006 Quote>than be called one of the good ol' boys while picking used tampons out of the garbage. you must have had an odd slant on either: 1 - the definition of what "good ol' boys" do for fun or; 2 - the job description for janitor ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #124 August 18, 2006 Quote Civilization wasn't advanced much by uneducated peasants. Sure. And we have more educated non peasants now than they did then. So advancement will continue. Again, wtf was your point of quoting Newton? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Remster 30 #125 August 18, 2006 Quoteand I am doing quite well Would you be doing better with a degree? Will you be doing better with a degree in 10 years? I'm not saying having one is required to have a happy life and a job you like, but, all things being equal, having a degree gives you more options and on a whole more money. That hepls most people being happier. That being said, the guys flipping burgers at McD dont have to worry about their fucking pipeline meetings! 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GTAVercetti 0 #113 August 18, 2006 I would like to see your statistics that not having a degree is more profitable than having one.Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #114 August 18, 2006 QuoteI guess what I find so interesting is the arogance of some of those that think they are better and better off with a degree. Statistically you are, even if there are exceptions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PLFXpert 0 #115 August 18, 2006 Having graduated college just under 4 years ago, I can tell you it was a requirement for my first job which paid me more in my first year than most people in the industry for 20 years. When I left that position and job-searched for another, I can tell you the degree in my back pocket served me very well for the better-paying jobs. My friends near and around my same age (26) would concur. Of course, we are just a small sample of the population, but I think we're pretty representative. I might agree if you specified what type of degree. I think there are only a limited # of professions that benefit from having a masters or further degree than a 4-year.Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GTAVercetti 0 #116 August 18, 2006 seriously. this has got to stop. it is so horrible, i forgot how to capitalize my words. Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PLFXpert 0 #117 August 18, 2006 Ahhhh, my plan is working well... Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GTAVercetti 0 #118 August 18, 2006 Quote Ahhhh, my plan is working well... I am not sure what this plan is. It is not like you are convincing me of anything. Or was it for me to lose my ability to capitalize? Because that ability has returned and that is a really lame plan. Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,098 #119 August 18, 2006 >Same reason we do a lot of things. We have been sold a bill of > goods that a 4 year college education is needed to get ahead. > Fortunatley that is now starting to change in some areas/fields True. Given the current degree of outsourcing, there are fine careers available in the food services and hospitality sectors for those who don't want useless degrees. >I guess what I find so interesting is the arogance of some of those >that think they are better and better off with a degree. I'm better off with a degree. Before I got a degree: job cleaning bathrooms in a county park After I got a degree: job designing things for a defense contractor. Does that make me arrogant? Maybe. But I'd rather be called arrogant while designing radar systems than be called one of the good ol' boys while picking used tampons out of the garbage. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #120 August 18, 2006 QuoteDoes that make me arrogant? Maybe. I don't think it was the degree that made you arrogant. In general, I think that most people are better off financially and career-wise with a degree than without one. But of course there are exceptions... I won't get into the "better person" thing though; that's too subjective, and I don't tend to think in terms of one person being "better" than another. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #121 August 18, 2006 Quote>Same reason we do a lot of things. We have been sold a bill of > goods that a 4 year college education is needed to get ahead. > Fortunatley that is now starting to change in some areas/fields True. Given the current degree of outsourcing, there are fine careers available in the food services and hospitality sectors for those who don't want useless degrees. >I guess what I find so interesting is the arogance of some of those >that think they are better and better off with a degree. I'm better off with a degree. Before I got a degree: job cleaning bathrooms in a county park After I got a degree: job designing things for a defense contractor. Does that make me arrogant? Maybe. But I'd rather be called arrogant while designing radar systems than be called one of the good ol' boys while picking used tampons out of the garbage. Nice bill. BS but nice. I don't have a degree and I am doing quite well thank you and I do not believe I am the exception. By the way, very misleading nutty examples if you ask me"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GTAVercetti 0 #122 August 18, 2006 Once again. Show me your statistics that, ON THE WHOLE, the average citizen is not going to make more money with a degree. I don't care what you "think" (read: what you feel to be true). Just because it is true for you and people you know, it is certainly not indicative of how it is for everyone.Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #123 August 18, 2006 Quote>than be called one of the good ol' boys while picking used tampons out of the garbage. you must have had an odd slant on either: 1 - the definition of what "good ol' boys" do for fun or; 2 - the job description for janitor ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #124 August 18, 2006 Quote Civilization wasn't advanced much by uneducated peasants. Sure. And we have more educated non peasants now than they did then. So advancement will continue. Again, wtf was your point of quoting Newton? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #125 August 18, 2006 Quoteand I am doing quite well Would you be doing better with a degree? Will you be doing better with a degree in 10 years? I'm not saying having one is required to have a happy life and a job you like, but, all things being equal, having a degree gives you more options and on a whole more money. That hepls most people being happier. That being said, the guys flipping burgers at McD dont have to worry about their fucking pipeline meetings! Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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