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"The US and Israel stand alone"

By mpohl, in Speakers Corner

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idrankwhat    0

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who's land it is is debateable and Israel's claim over it is as valid (if not more) than others.
This is where you and I ended the last discussion. I don't think we're ever going to see eye to eye on this. Right now I'm sticking with the internationally recognized boundaries. You are not. And that's always been my point and probabaly the point of the people whose land is being occupied.

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I have one more question. Do the west bank settlers get the same $30,000/yr that the Gaza settlers got?


what are you talking about?
i don't know of any 30K/yr anyone is getting, but even if, what does it have to do with anything>?



My understanding is that the households in the Gaza settlements were receiving $30,000/yr from the government. Supposedly the money that we sent you was not supposed to be used for that but I know how that goes. Also, my understanding is that the people in those illegal settlements who were receiving that money also received $300,000 each when they were told to leave Gaza. My point is to illustrate that you have people who are being paid to live in illegal settlements yet Israel won't compensate the Palestinians for the land that they took. If it were me I'd be angry too.

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My understanding is that the households in the Gaza settlements were receiving $30,000/yr from the government.


to the best of my knowledge, thats not true.

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my understanding is that the people in those illegal settlements who were receiving that money also received $300,000 each when they were told to leave Gaza.


Illegal by what law? the settlements in gaza were very legal and when Israel decided to pull out of gaza the population who was forced to leave was compensated by the government.

you are using false and irrelevant "facts" to prove a point which is (at best) not valid.
"Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."

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OBL's immediate family has rejected him on numerous occasions. One wonders why it keeps coming up in any discourse on the matter.

Saudi and Pakistani ISI did the US few favors in Afghanistan during the 80's.

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Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL
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They supposedly crossed the border and kidnapped those two soldiers so they could bargain for three that Israel refused to release. But they did kidnap them, no argument. And it was the trigger for Israel to launch their premeditated war that was vastly disproportionate and violated numerous international laws and the Geneva conventions. Fact.



sorry, there's no 'law' that says that when an enemy attacks you, you have to only engage in a tit for tat response. You can do whatever the fuck you want.

And history is full of big responses to little triggers. See WWI. Or the Spanish American War, started by a mine that may not have even existed.

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Illegal by what law? the settlements in gaza were very legal and when Israel decided to pull out of gaza the population who was forced to leave was compensated by the government.

you are using false and irrelevant "facts" to prove a point which is (at best) not valid.



So you're saying that the Gaza settlemets were legal? According to whom?

Also, I didn't forget but I have dial up at home and looking this stuff up here sucks. In answer to your question about Israeli incursions into Lebanon they occurred nearly every day since Israel pulled out. Mostly in the form of low supersonic passes with corresponding supersonic booms into Lebanese airspace. Some might call that terrorizing or provoking someone else. They are all recorded, excuse me, were recorded by the UNIFIL outpost that Israel deliberately blew up a few weeks ago.
http://www.un.org/Depts/dpko/missions/unifil/unifilDrp.htm

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idrankwhat    0

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sorry, there's no 'law' that says that when an enemy attacks you, you have to only engage in a tit for tat response. You can do whatever the fuck you want.



Actually apparently there are some laws that apply. I was reading about it on the Human Rights Watch website and they made some pretty specific references. I'd look it up but as I said in my previous post, I'm in dial up hell. Plus I can't spend too much time doing this tonight because I have to repack my chute and get ready for the weekend.

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mpohl    1

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If some of our American friends love Israel that much, why not re-settle the whole nation in the state of Texas. Plenty of space, desert-like climate, and no Arab neighbours within several thousand miles to bother them.

Sounds like bliss.

P.S.: Maybe they could pick a war w/ Mexico?

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perhaps these statements from their own 'holy book' will enlighten you. definitely not for the faint of heart




www.truthbeknown.com

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