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And you expect us to trust the government's police to treat us with proper respect and dignity?
Hi JohnRich,
who is "us" and of whose government's police are you talking?
edited for correct wording
Christel
I know that you asked John, but I thought that I would help on this question...
"Us" is "We, the People," the "common" person
"The governments police" could be any form of ruling or enforcing unit (military, civilian police, brute squad)
JohnRich 4
QuoteI know that you asked John, but I thought that I would help on this question...
"Us" is "We, the People," the "common" person
"The governments police" could be any form of ruling or enforcing unit (military, civilian police, brute squad)
Thank you kbordson. I was just going to ignore her, as I thought my statement was clear, and I've grown weary of helping out the challenged members of this debate who don't take the time to think. That was very sweet of you to jump in and answer, and you got it exactly correct. It's nice to see that some people out there understand me. And I appreciate your clarity and contributions to this debate.
Damn. You're that old? Got caught w/ a gun in a bar in NOLA 30 yrs. ago. (Misd. 30 days in the hole. A song comes to mind. LOL) Legal limit for DUI was .2 at the time too! Ah. The good ole days. Cell ph. What's that? LOLQuoteQuoteThen you have no problem. if a man has a hammer and is walking down the road stopped by the Police who find out hes a builder on his way to a job no porblem. If the police stop a football hooligan carrying a hammer on his way to a football match most likely he'd be arrested. I've been stopped by the police who found a large survival knife in the boot of my car along with some webbing and a Bergan, clearly its a tool and they didn't have a problem. If I'd had it there along with a balaclava and some duct tape it most likely would have been a different outcome. Laws are like weapons they're tools to be used wisely.
It's the person that's the problem, not the stuff he or she has with them.
I fail to see that it is any business of the government what I carry around with me. I have never been certified mentally ill, nor charged with any crime in my 61 years here on Earth.
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I believe you live in one of the most laid back states in America regarding weapons so talking to you when we live in an area of tight control is never going to have us seeing eye to eye.
Anything that makes mine, my colleagues and the publics lives safer is better. No doubt when this goes forward the first story you find of a word being used in Scotland in an attack/robbery or wahatever you'll post it saying SEE TOLD YOU SO!
The success is proved by the stroies you hear nothing about because they don't happen. You will always get the rogue who has no regard for law or regulation and no law will stop them doing as they please.
When I say 'shitbag' I don't mean anyone without the paperwork automatically is a bad guy, I think you know that, but its funnier to detract from the main point by taking the piss.
Our unsavoury regular customers, the violent pissheads that beat their wives when they go home, attack people for no reason, burgle houses etc, our prolific offenders should get the book thrown at them and as it happens, the majority of houses I've been to with swords on the wall, its those type of people that own them. Good regulation (on paper) equals harder punishment for those that ignore it.
We don't have that same 'ITS MY GODDAMN RIGHT!' attitude that you appear to have so its really not a problem for 99% of people. In fact I would guess that alot of people would welcome it.
Anything that makes mine, my colleagues and the publics lives safer is better. No doubt when this goes forward the first story you find of a word being used in Scotland in an attack/robbery or wahatever you'll post it saying SEE TOLD YOU SO!
The success is proved by the stroies you hear nothing about because they don't happen. You will always get the rogue who has no regard for law or regulation and no law will stop them doing as they please.
When I say 'shitbag' I don't mean anyone without the paperwork automatically is a bad guy, I think you know that, but its funnier to detract from the main point by taking the piss.
Our unsavoury regular customers, the violent pissheads that beat their wives when they go home, attack people for no reason, burgle houses etc, our prolific offenders should get the book thrown at them and as it happens, the majority of houses I've been to with swords on the wall, its those type of people that own them. Good regulation (on paper) equals harder punishment for those that ignore it.
We don't have that same 'ITS MY GODDAMN RIGHT!' attitude that you appear to have so its really not a problem for 99% of people. In fact I would guess that alot of people would welcome it.
QuoteWe don't have that same 'ITS MY GODDAMN RIGHT!' attitude that you appear to have so its really not a problem for 99% of people. In fact I would guess that alot of people would welcome it.
See we made this thing way back when in our country called the constitution that gave us these rights. SO IT IS OUR DAMN RIGHT!!!
On a serious note I really don't like the 99% logic, because it can be applied to anything that someone may want to own. Its just another step in govt taking away freedoms and people allowing it because it doesn't affect them. Anytime freedoms are unreasonably taken away, whether they affect us in any way or not, we should be still concerned because the govt is overstepping its boundaries. In America we like to think the govt was setup to serve us, and not to be slaves of it. I also don't find collecting swords as that strange or rare of a hobby, for people to not care. There is obviously some people that have posted on this thread that enjoy it.
And please lets be realistic. People can create more dangerous weapons than a sword in a few hours in their garage with commonly available items. Why would you go with this ridiculous political stunt? I hope you would vote against this out of the goodness of your heart and not for it because it doesn't affect most people. Does legislation like this really make you feel safer at night? If not, than not giving a fu$% is a serious disservice to those that do. Its a friggin sword!!!!!!, and one of the lamest political stunts of all time. Better put restrictions and/or govt permits on gasoline, beer bottles, knives, spray paint, sheetmetal, fertilizer, any liquor stronger than 60 proof, hammers, clubs, chainsaws, axes, and hot dogs. I sure hope I'm dead before the world has come to that.
QuoteI believe you live in one of the most laid back states in America regarding weapons so talking to you when we live in an area of tight control is never going to have us seeing eye to eye.
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Actually Illinois has some of the most repressive gun laws in the country.
And now they want more laws to outlaw some firearms because they look scary to the media and politicians.
I like seeing a politician holding an AK47 in the air at a press conference.
Seeing your local politicians repeatedly breaking state and federal laws, by waving a full auto weapon (that is unlicensed/no tax stamp, and non transferable) is a great idea, there is then more than one corroborated offense on record, and therefore a longer prison term for the anti gun offender.
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QuoteI believe you live in one of the most laid back states in America regarding weapons so talking to you when we live in an area of tight control is never going to have us seeing eye to eye.
Anything that makes mine, my colleagues and the publics lives safer is better. No doubt when this goes forward the first story you find of a word being used in Scotland in an attack/robbery or wahatever you'll post it saying SEE TOLD YOU SO!
The success is proved by the stroies you hear nothing about because they don't happen. You will always get the rogue who has no regard for law or regulation and no law will stop them doing as they please.
When I say 'shitbag' I don't mean anyone without the paperwork automatically is a bad guy, I think you know that, but its funnier to detract from the main point by taking the piss.
Our unsavoury regular customers, the violent pissheads that beat their wives when they go home, attack people for no reason, burgle houses etc, our prolific offenders should get the book thrown at them and as it happens, the majority of houses I've been to with swords on the wall, its those type of people that own them. Good regulation (on paper) equals harder punishment for those that ignore it.
We don't have that same 'ITS MY GODDAMN RIGHT!' attitude that you appear to have so its really not a problem for 99% of people. In fact I would guess that alot of people would welcome it.
You have a typical police-state attitude of "guilty until proven innocent".
It's the person, not the object, that's the problem.
Contrary to many Americans, I think gun ownership is counterproductive. However, I have no reason to deny gun ownership to any sane, law abiding adult (even John Rich). Ditto for swords. The only conditions I would lay down are that weapons should be properly secured against theft and access by children.
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Skyrad 0
Quote(even John Rich)
LOL...
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JohnRich 4
QuoteAnything that makes mine, my colleagues and the publics lives safer is better.
And with that standard, it also makes the public much less free. So, just because it helps the police, you would ban guns, swords and knives. What else? Cricket bats? Cars? What about the right to privacy from searches without probable cause?
The definition of a country where the police get everything they want, at the expense of the citizens, is "a police state".
QuoteOur unsavoury regular customers... and as it happens, the majority of houses I've been to with swords on the wall, its those type of people that own them.
That's not a representative sample of the population. How many homes have swords on the wall that cause no problems? You don't know, because you don't go to those homes. Just because many problem people have swords on their walls, doesn't mean that sword ownership is a sign of a trouble-maker. I'll bet that all the criminals own TV sets too!
QuoteWe don't have that same 'ITS MY GODDAMN RIGHT!' attitude that you appear to have...
Yeah, those pesky Constitutional rights are a real pain in the ass for police. But they are mighty handy at preserving freedom for the citizens. Convenience for police is secondary to freedom. I choose freedom over a police state.
Quoteits really not a problem for 99% of people.
And that is yet another bad standard by which to determine freedom. Just because most people don't do something, does not mean that it should be banned. 99% of people don't give a shit about skydiving - so would it be okay with you if the majority voted to ban it? As long as a citizen is not breaking any laws with his activity, he should be left alone, regardless of how small a minority he may be in.
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QuoteThat's not a representative sample of the population. How many homes have swords on the wall that cause no problems? You don't know, because you don't go to those homes. Just because many problem people have swords on their walls, doesn't mean that sword ownership is a sign of a trouble-maker.
That is true, I agree on that and agree it's not a fair observation.
QuoteQuoteThat's not a representative sample of the population. How many homes have swords on the wall that cause no problems? You don't know, because you don't go to those homes. Just because many problem people have swords on their walls, doesn't mean that sword ownership is a sign of a trouble-maker.
That is true, I agree on that and agree it's not a fair observation.
You do WHAT? You do agree? Only b/c the Americans do not have any history, cannot handly any history of another country: You AGREEEE??
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kbordson 8
QuoteYou do WHAT? You do agree? Only b/c the Americans do not have any history, cannot handly any history of another country: You AGREEEE??
Huh? What is your argument against his observations?
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I think shes just shit stirring between me and John. Haha
so when will the Scots start demanding licenses for haggis?
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Quoteso when will the Scots start demanding licenses for haggis?
Now that IS something that should be strictly regulated.
kallend 2,182
QuoteQuoteso when will the Scots start demanding licenses for haggis?
I thought it was banned under the Geneva Conventions.
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QuoteQuoteQuoteso when will the Scots start demanding licenses for haggis?
I thought it was banned under the Geneva Conventions.
After several doses of vintage single malt it actually tastes quite good.... as far as I remember...
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Ah good - i am glad this thread has got back to peopl just taking the piss. Its much more entertaining that way 
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kbordson 8
QuoteAh good - i am glad this thread has got back to peopl just taking the piss. Its much more entertaining that way
NO... it's more fun to research facts and debate and learn..... That's what we're supposed to do here in SC, isn't it?
skydyvr 0
QuoteNO... it's more fun to research facts and debate and learn..... That's what we're supposed to do here in SC, isn't it?
Party pooper.
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kbordson 8
QuoteParty pooper.
No.... there's a whole thread about that in the Bonfire.... (actually it was a party pee-er)
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QuoteQuoteParty pooper.
No.... there's a whole thread about that in the Bonfire.... (actually it was a party pee-er)
Must not click on Bonfire link . . . must not click on Bonfire link . . .
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