Scotland to Ban Swords

[kallend 2,182]

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Your really not reading what I'm saying or truly don't understand common law powers despite being told it numerous times. Any person can use any force that is reasonable and neccesary to protect life or property.

You're the one that said:

"When people say in defence that the reason they have an item is for self defence it just goes against them in court. This proves their intent to use the item in an unlawful way."

So if I sound confused, it's because you made me that way.

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Please present me a scenario where the posession of a sword as a weapon would be useful

Nowhere have I suggested that swords are a useful means of self defense these days. But if someone wants to collect them, they should be allowed to do so, and not have their hobby banned because of what a few criminals have done.

An object shouldn't have to be proven "useful" in order for citizens to be allowed to own them. If it gives people pleasure to participate in useless pursuits like jumping out of planes or collecting swords, and they are law-abiding folks with those hobbies, then leave them alone and let them have their fun.

That's twice this year I have agreed with you.

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[markd_nscr986 0]

Scotsmen having to give up there swords?????

Sounds like an English plot to me!

Marc SCR 6046 SCS 3004

[Scoop 0]

Don't agree with him because he is wrong.. again.

It clearly stated in the article that HE linked from...

Exemptions to the ban on sword sales include swords that are to be used for Highland dancing, museum displays, historical re-enactments, fencing and martial arts.

Therefore people with a legitimate reason, ie collectors or enthusiasts can still purchase them. People with no need will find it more difficult. Surely this is a good thing

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They should sell guns, then the sword problem will go away.

Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity !

[kallend 2,182]

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Don't agree with him because he is wrong.. again.

It clearly stated in the article that HE linked from...

Exemptions to the ban on sword sales include swords that are to be used for Highland dancing, museum displays, historical re-enactments, fencing and martial arts.

Therefore people with a legitimate reason, ie collectors or enthusiasts can still purchase them. People with no need will find it more difficult. Surely this is a good thing

Sorry, but I don't see why any adult without a criminal record or record of mental illness should have to have a government approved reason.

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[Skyrad 0]

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Don't agree with him because he is wrong.. again.

It clearly stated in the article that HE linked from...

Exemptions to the ban on sword sales include swords that are to be used for Highland dancing, museum displays, historical re-enactments, fencing and martial arts.

Therefore people with a legitimate reason, ie collectors or enthusiasts can still purchase them. People with no need will find it more difficult. Surely this is a good thing

Sorry, but I don't see why any adult without a criminal record or record of mental illness should have to have a government approved reason.

If you haven't already then check out these and reconsider wether its a good idea or not to let Neds run around with swords.

http://www.nedumentary.co.uk/download.html

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[Scoop 0]

I guess there is a reason why people living in the UK vote on UK affairs and people in the US only vote on US affairs.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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An object shouldn't have to be proven "useful" in order for citizens to be allowed to own them

What if I want to collect working nuclear bombs? How about Stinger missiles? What if I like to have a large collection of plastic explosives, cause I like the look and smell of it? What if I like to collect all the different forms of nasal de-congestant that contains ephedrine, but I prefer collecting by the box full?

Does your sentence still stand? Do you still hold that if some one wants to collect them, they should be allowed to do so?

Where do you draw the line between items that should be freely collectable and items one needs to register for?

[kallend 2,182]

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I guess there is a reason why people living in the UK vote on UK affairs and people in the US only vote on US affairs.

My comment applies more generally than to the US or UK and swords.

Why should a sane adult with no record of criminal or anti-social behaviour have to have government approval to own any item at all?

IMO the govt. (any govt) should keep its nose out of people's activities to the greatest extent possible.

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[dorbie 0]

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I guess there is a reason why people living in the UK vote on UK affairs and people in the US only vote on US affairs.

My comment applies more generally than to the US or UK and swords.

Why should a sane adult with no record of criminal or anti-social behaviour have to have government approval to own any item at all?

IMO the govt. (any govt) should keep its nose out of people's activities to the greatest extent possible.

What if you catch someone on the street with two stanley blades (box cutters to Americans) separated by matchsticks for maximum scarring potential. Should someone with no prior record be allowed to walk around with improvised weapons like this?

These are sane people with no criminal records, and this falls under the category of "any item".

How about a super soaker converted to a flamethrower using some petrol and a lighter, still good to carry?

I can just picture the libertarian Utopia Glasgow would become under your guidance.

[Skyrad 0]

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I guess there is a reason why people living in the UK vote on UK affairs and people in the US only vote on US affairs.

My comment applies more generally than to the US or UK and swords.

Why should a sane adult with no record of criminal or anti-social behaviour have to have government approval to own any item at all?

IMO the govt. (any govt) should keep its nose out of people's activities to the greatest extent possible.

There is no problem with sane adults with no criminal history or anti social tendency to having swords, but by that exception it seems that you don't think that it would be a good idea for criminals, the anti social or people with mental health issues to have swords. So where are the controls to ensure that those people do not obtain swords? Thats the issue. There is nothing stopping sane law abiding socially respectful people who want to own swords from obtaining them. This is aimed at stopping Neds hacking each other and the rest of society into tikka.
Its a glass half empty Vs half full kind of thing.

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[kallend 2,182]

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I guess there is a reason why people living in the UK vote on UK affairs and people in the US only vote on US affairs.

My comment applies more generally than to the US or UK and swords.

Why should a sane adult with no record of criminal or anti-social behaviour have to have government approval to own any item at all?

IMO the govt. (any govt) should keep its nose out of people's activities to the greatest extent possible.

What if you catch someone on the street with two stanley blades (box cutters to Americans) separated by matchsticks for maximum scarring potential. Should someone with no prior record be allowed to walk around with improvised weapons like this?

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I have just such a device except it uses X-ACTO blades. It is used for stripping precise width, narrow strips of plastic film from large sheets of the stuff, and I fail to see that it's any of the government's business.

Just because YOU can't think of a legitimate reason to own something doesn't mean no-one is able to.

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Do you normally carry this device on your person?

[rehmwa 2]

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Do you normally carry this device on your person?

You just never know when you need to shred plastic.

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[akarunway 1]

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Do you normally carry this device on your person?

I have one too. They are pretty cool little TOOLS. I use it for pinstriping or cutting small letters for signs when I do them. I also carry a Buck knife and a Leatherman on me at all times. How about the pens I carry? They can be lethal too!

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[kallend 2,182]

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Do you normally carry this device on your person?

You just never know when you need to shred plastic.

True, very true.

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[kallend 2,182]

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Do you normally carry this device on your person?

No, it normally stays in my workshop, but is there a reason I shouldn't have it with me? Why is it any business of the government?

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[kallend 2,182]

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Do you normally carry this device on your person?

I have one too. They are pretty cool little TOOLS. I use it for pinstriping or cutting small letters for signs when I do them. I also carry a Buck knife and a Leatherman on me at all times. How about the pens I carry? They can be lethal too!

Exactly!

I have a well equipped arsenal modeling shop with lots of sharp knives tools, toxic chemicals paints and thinners, flame thrower propane torch, explosives lithium batteries, etc, and a garage stocked with Molotov Cocktails gasoline cans for my lawnmower, chain saw (eeek) and snowblower.

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[Skyrad 0]

Then you have no problem. if a man has a hammer and is walking down the road stopped by the Police who find out hes a builder on his way to a job no porblem. If the police stop a football hooligan carrying a hammer on his way to a football match most likely he'd be arrested. I've been stopped by the police who found a large survival knife in the boot of my car along with some webbing and a Bergan, clearly its a tool and they didn't have a problem. If I'd had it there along with a balaclava and some duct tape it most likely would have been a different outcome. Laws are like weapons they're tools to be used wisely.

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large survival knife..... If I'd had it there along with a balaclava and some duct tape...

In the northern midwest of the US, this would not cause a flinch - standard car truck supplies.

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[kallend 2,182]

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Then you have no problem. if a man has a hammer and is walking down the road stopped by the Police who find out hes a builder on his way to a job no porblem. If the police stop a football hooligan carrying a hammer on his way to a football match most likely he'd be arrested. I've been stopped by the police who found a large survival knife in the boot of my car along with some webbing and a Bergan, clearly its a tool and they didn't have a problem. If I'd had it there along with a balaclava and some duct tape it most likely would have been a different outcome. Laws are like weapons they're tools to be used wisely.

It's the person that's the problem, not the stuff he or she has with them.

I fail to see that it is any business of the government what I carry around with me. I have never been certified mentally ill, nor charged with any crime in my 61 years here on Earth.

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[Skyrad 0]

But the fact is that there re some items that if you are carring in certain places by that very act you'd be breaking the law. If you've got good reason to be carrying them though you don't have to worry.
As I said before There is no problem with sane adults with no criminal history or anti social tendency to having swords, but by that exception it seems that you don't think that it would be a good idea for criminals, the anti social or people with mental health issues to have swords. So where are the controls to ensure that those people do not obtain swords? Thats the issue. There is nothing stopping sane law abiding socially respectful people who want to own swords from obtaining them. This is aimed at stopping Neds hacking each other and the rest of society into tikka.
Its a glass half empty Vs half full kind of thing.

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[billvon 3,132]

>But the fact is that there re some items that if you are carring in
>certain places by that very act you'd be breaking the law. If you've
>got good reason to be carrying them though you don't have to worry.

Nope, see, that's the difference between law and common sense. If a police officer uses common sense, then he confiscates the hammer from the agitator at the soccer match but not the carpenter walking past the stadium.

We don't have that any more here. I've gotten drill bits, development system pods and tools confiscated at security checkpoints even though it was obvious that they were not weapons or bombs, and even though I had good reason to carry them.

Here, more and more, we have plain ol' laws that don't have provisions for the use of common sense. And people who break them DO have to worry even if they have a good reason to do what they did.

[Skyrad 0]

I agree there is a certain amount of stupidity at the moment. My fav was watching a lilttle old lady having some tweesers confiscated before getting on a flight to Sri Lanka, when we got on the second aircraft in Bahrain her face was a picture when they handed her a metal steak knife and fork before dinner. Thats up there with making women drink some milk from their babies bottles before allowing them on planes in case its really an explosive disguised as milk. What do they think will happen? the woman will turn around and say 'OK, its a fair cop, I was going to blow myself to pieces but this stuff doesn't taste nice!'

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
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[kallend 2,182]

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Its a glass half empty Vs half full kind of thing.

I look at is as an innocent until proven otherwise kind of thing. I should NOT have to prove my innocence.

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