Scotland to Ban Swords

[JohnRich 4]

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The overwhelming majority of Scots don't have swords & machetes on their regular shopping lists.

So that makes it okay to prevent people from purchasing historical relics or replicas for collecting purposes, by citizens who aren't criminals? The tyranny of the majority over the minority?

The overwhelming majority of Scots don't have parachutes on their regular shopping lists either. Be careful what you ask for.

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The tyranny of the majority over the minority?

It's called Democracy.

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aye lassie

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Well, we all know that swords don't kill people; guns do.

And guns dont kill people, rappers do......

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[Tonto 1]

Yeah... but at least they let you carry a pre paid phone!

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So that makes it okay to prevent people from purchasing historical relics or replicas for collecting purposes, by citizens who aren't criminals?

READ the article (!!) rather than letting a knee-jerk reaction against any form of "weapons control" govern your attitude toward it.

Scotland is not banning swords. They are placing restrictions on the sale of non-domestic knives or bladed instruments. There is NOTHING to stop a serious collector of militaria continuing with his hobby. It'll just be somewhat more difficult for the "Ned-in-the-Street" to buy such stuff.

As a (fairly relevant) aside, I happened to bump into one of my old Firearms Permit Holders the other day... He's thinking about giving up his exemption & surrendering his Webley .455 revolver.

Mike.

Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable.

Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

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The tyranny of the majority over the minority?

It's called Democracy.

Tre bien, Monsieur, tre bien.

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Speaking as a resident of Scotland (so this makes me the undisputed expert - doesn't it?)...

What's the big deal!!?

or...

WHIT RA FECK'RE YE BLETHERIN' ABOOT, WEE MAN!!??!!



There is a degree of Sword-Culture here. Some idiots use them in fights. The idea is to make it harder to obtain them - not impossible, harder.

There's certainly no objections being raised among Scots about this. The overwhelming majority of Scots don't have swords & machetes on their regular shopping lists.

However... If Y'all want a little light reading on Scotland's HISTORICAL culture (but which still exists today) then I'd recommend:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0552075833/sr=1-1/qid=1155676300/ref=pd_bbs_1/002-0095882-6333678?ie=UTF8&s=books

in particular the postscript.

Mike.

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WHIT RA FECK'RE YE BLETHERIN' ABOOT, WEE MAN!!??!!

Having just returned from Scotland I have to say theres no more beautiful country in all the world. If the social problems and gang culture of some of the cities can be overcome then it'd be a world beating place to live.

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[Skyrad 0]

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For a demonstration of improvised weaponary click on the link, then click 'toys' on the title bar then scroll down the screen till you see a picture of two 'neds' kicking a can of coke. Watch it. It's funny. As is most of the sight funnily enough.

http://www.glasgowsurvival.co.uk/

Edited to add: The cartoon contains violence! Be warned.

Check out the Ned down loads, honestly these people really do exist, its funny but only because its true. And some idiots think it would be a good idea to give them unrestricted access to firearms. Maybe we could just let them have sporting rifles, hunting rifles and .22 plinkers after all its not like they're designed to kill.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

[miked10270 0]

What we're needing is new offences to cover possession of hooded tops & Burberry Baseball Caps!

Mike.

PS: Is anyone else finding it difficult to keep these two threads together?

Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable.

Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

[kbordson 8]

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Dude... do you really think Connor MacLeod will comply??

What about Duncan MacLeod?

k.

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Pah pretender.

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Scotland is not banning swords. They are placing restrictions on the sale of non-domestic knives or bladed instruments. There is NOTHING to stop a serious collector of militaria continuing with his hobby. It'll just be somewhat more difficult for the "Ned-in-the-Street" to buy such stuff.

This won't keep swords out of the hands of criminals. It'll just keep them from the law abiding knights and squires sworn to protect their ladies from the highway-men.

"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

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LOL...

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
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The overwhelming majority of Scots don't have swords & machetes on their regular shopping lists.

So that makes it okay to prevent people from purchasing historical relics or replicas for collecting purposes, by citizens who aren't criminals? The tyranny of the majority over the minority?

Bollocks.

http://www.glasgowsurvival.co.uk/

The section on weapons is particularly informative, my favorite is the sawn off golf club.

[JohnRich 4]

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The section on weapons is particularly informative, my favorite is the sawn off golf club.

So the politicians will be banning golf clubs next. From the place where golf was invented. That would be very nice.

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Good job your not a Scottish sword enthusiast else you'd be right to be bothered. Every month our county police force sieze enough weapons to fill a skip. These include machetes and swords and crazy stuff that people actually carry on them with intention to use as a weapon. Restricted sale of these items to people with a genuine need for them can only be a good thing although I'm sure it won't stop the use of them. At least trying to be responsible, a free for all on weapon ownership is not a good thing. Presumably you have to be licenced in your state to own a firearm? SOunds like its going to be a similar thing. No biggy.

You'll really like this one too. When people say in defence that the reason they have an item is for self defence it just goes against them in court. This proves their intent to use the item in an unlawful way.

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The section on weapons is particularly informative, my favorite is the sawn off golf club.

So the politicians will be banning golf clubs next. From the place where golf was invented. That would be very nice.

Maybe they'll just ban saws.

I'm pretty confident that posession of a sawn-off golf club is illegal, and equally sure you can't purchase them over the counter.

[JohnRich 4]

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I'm pretty confident that posession of a sawn-off golf club is illegal, and equally sure you can't purchase them over the counter.

What about those really short clubs used by kids to learn to play golf? Does this make those child training clubs illegal? Would that mean that kids won't be able to learn to play golf until they grow up and can use full-size clubs? Why should children be forced to abandon a healthy pasttime sport, because a few criminals misuse golf clubs? If criminals misused parachutes for nefarious purposes, would you be okay with a ban on parachute ownership by private citizens?

[JohnRich 4]

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Restricted sale of these items to people with a genuine need for them can only be a good thing although I'm sure it won't stop the use of them.

Look at what you're saying: You admit that it won't do any good at stopping the criminals, but you're okay with making things more difficult for the law-abiding anyway.

That's a terrific model for freedom. It's the foundation behind all weapon control laws. And it's lunacy!

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Presumably you have to be licenced in your state to own a firearm? SOunds like its going to be a similar thing. No biggy.

Very few states require gun licensing. Those that do, usually have higher gun crime rates than those that don't. Licensing does nothing to stop criminals, it just impedes the law abiding.

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When people say in defence that the reason they have an item is for self defence it just goes against them in court. This proves their intent to use the item in an unlawful way.

So self defense is a crime in Scotland... Well, isn't that sweet. Bring down the flag and surrender it to the criminals, for you have already lost the battle and your freedom. It used to be that Scots were proud to fight for freedom, and now they've passively given it up.

Would your ancestors be proud of you for giving up all that they fought and died for?

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Your really not reading what I'm saying or truly don't understand common law powers despite being told it numerous times.

Any person can use any force that is reasonable and neccesary to protect life or property. Not verbatim but along those lines, I'm going rusty.

Please present me a scenario where the posession of a sword as a weapon would be useful

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for you have already lost the battle and your freedom. It used to be that Scots were proud to fight for freedom, and now they've passively given it up.

You've been watching to many Mel Gibson films

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Would your ancestors be proud of you for giving up all that they fought and died for?

'I've a buckle on my belt,
a sword in my scabard;
A red coat on my back and a shilling in my pocket,
I will go...'

The Scots have always fought best under the colours of the British Army. What did they fight and die for? For the will of the monarch and parliment in London.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

[Andy9o8 3]

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Please present me a scenario where the posession of a sword as a weapon would be useful

Here ya go!

[Scoop 0]

Ah yes, typical night out in Glasgow

[JohnRich 4]

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Your really not reading what I'm saying or truly don't understand common law powers despite being told it numerous times. Any person can use any force that is reasonable and neccesary to protect life or property.

You're the one that said:

"When people say in defence that the reason they have an item is for self defence it just goes against them in court. This proves their intent to use the item in an unlawful way."

So if I sound confused, it's because you made me that way.

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Please present me a scenario where the posession of a sword as a weapon would be useful

Nowhere have I suggested that swords are a useful means of self defense these days. But if someone wants to collect them, they should be allowed to do so, and not have their hobby banned because of what a few criminals have done.

An object shouldn't have to be proven "useful" in order for citizens to be allowed to own them. If it gives people pleasure to participate in useless pursuits like jumping out of planes or collecting swords, and they are law-abiding folks with those hobbies, then leave them alone and let them have their fun.