Will you STFU now?

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I've just read this entire post - it took a while... I have a couple of questions:


1. Darius: Ideally, what would you like Israel to do? It can't vanish, it can't uproot and go somewhere else. What is your ideal solution?

2. Amazon: Are you a Jew? I ask because your posts are usually so anti-right-wing, but when it comes to Israel you come across like a right hard-arse.

Hi crozby

I have a question for you

Have you had a DNA test to insure that you dad is really your daddy
A simplee Yes or no will be good enough.

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Jews support israel. Jews in positions of power in the US government and the US media propagate the notion that Israelis are "people just like us" to garner support from non-Jewish Americans. It works.

AIPAC is also a very powerful and well funded influence on the media and our Congress. That aside, not all Jews support Israel's behavior. I think I read about a recent "die in" in the Boston Globe that illustrates that point pretty well.

In Europe, Israelis and Arabs are seen as pretty much the same. Moderates on both sides, fanatics on both sides. That said, EU cash goes predominately to Palestine, but maybe thats just because we all favour the under-dog.
Maybe so to a certain extent. But it's also possible that the EU money goes to help balance the equation considering the massive funding that the US supplies to Israel

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Why do people support Israel when they're in violation of numerous UN violations on occupation and human rights,

perhaps they read the roster of nations on the rights committee?

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You know that Palestine is not in Europe right?

did you know the first W in WW2 stands for "world?"

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You know that Palestine is not in Europe right?

did you know the first W in WW2 stands for "world?"

And I thought it was an acronym for one of those wrestling organizations.

" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

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Why do people support Israel when they're in violation of numerous UN violations on occupation and human rights,

perhaps they read the roster of nations on the rights committee?

Yea, you're right. We should get those countries who use torture off the roster right........uhhhhh....wait........nevermind.

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Those are good questions, but I wasn't directing my questions to Israeli supporters. I don't support either side.

on a side note. I can't understand why anyone would support either side. They are both just as guilty. They are both just as responsible for all the death and destruction.

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In Europe, Israelis and Arabs are seen as pretty much the same. Moderates on both sides, fanatics on both sides. That said, EU cash goes predominately to Palestine, but maybe thats just because we all favour the under-dog.

Well, the EU needs to be careful, because one day the underdog is going to rise up and slit their throat.

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Open your eyes. Israel is not this democratic country who respects their neighbors.

well, why the fuck would they?

I know you trout out some weird cultural concepts, but I don't respect neighbors with a stated policy of ending my existence. And if I were the big stick on the block, as Israel is, I certainly wouldn't accept crap like kidnappings from shitholes like Lebanon.

In the real world, the little guys behave or get stomped. Whining about it is pointless. Pretending the current fighting is one sided is childish.

Hence. Why the "Little Guys" don't care about killing themselves and others

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

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Oh yea not to mention the BIG point. Germany started the war. What did the Palestinians do? They had their land taken and they want it back

I recall in 1948 that all the arab countries started the war.

and Darius, you can't keep claiming it was all palestinians land... look at the long history of the region and you'll see at some point it was everybody's land. The UK, the Jews, the arabs, the romans can all claim it was their land.

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and everyone should watch the movie Munich. Its really an eye-opener when the palestinians talk to the Jews while they are both undercover.

Something about how the Jews fight so hard for their homeland, to keep it safe.
And the palestinian says "The Jews fought for 1000 years to get their own country, so will we"

I predict no end to the conflict until either both sides make massive concessions, or until one side kills the other.

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Oh yea not to mention the BIG point. Germany started the war. What did the Palestinians do? They had their land taken and they want it back

I recall in 1948 that all the arab countries started the war.

and Darius, you can't keep claiming it was all palestinians land... look at the long history of the region and you'll see at some point it was everybody's land. The UK, the Jews, the arabs, the romans can all claim it was their land.

Then why is it that the Israelis took peoples land and made it there own country.

Notice I am not saying it should be Muslims land or Jewish land all I am saying is the people who lived there before should be able to keep there land and not moved to select areas of the occupiers choosing.

Trust me the Palestinians didn't get the beachfront properties.
You are also forgetting that the majority of Israelis did not live on that land they took it overabout 58 years ago. The Israelis gave you an option. Either you live under our rule or get out. Not nice considering they were talking to the people whose land they were taking.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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Instead of watching a Hollywood movie watch a few documentaries and read a few diaries to see in what conditions the Palestinians are forced to live.

I recommend Death in Gaza..

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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Then why is it that the Israelis took peoples land and made it there own country.

You are also forgetting that the majority of Israelis did not live on that land they took it overabout 58 years ago. The Israelis gave you an option. Either you live under our rule or get out. Not nice considering they were talking to the people whose land they were taking.

The british took the land a long time before that. When they divided it between the two groups of people currently living there, both groups thought they were getting screwed. So then one side attacked the other side. Guess which side attacked first?

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Instead of watching a Hollywood movie watch a few documentaries and read a few diaries to see in what conditions the Palestinians are forced to live.

I recommend Death in Gaza..

This sounds like Cuba. The conditions that Palestinians are "forced to live in" are more a product of their own leadership than the actions of Israel. Does the American embargo harm the Cuban citizen? Absolutely. It doesn't seem to harm the leadership of Cuba, though.

Yassir Arafat died a very, very wealthy man. Giving a small portion of his fortune to the Palestinian people, instead of parking it in accounts in Europe - likely would have the result of assisting his people.

Even Saddam Hussein invested in infrastructure.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

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Instead of watching a Hollywood movie watch a few documentaries and read a few diaries to see in what conditions the Palestinians are forced to live.

I recommend Death in Gaza..

This sounds like Cuba. The conditions that Palestinians are "forced to live in" are more a product of their own leadership than the actions of Israel. Does the American embargo harm the Cuban citizen? Absolutely. It doesn't seem to harm the leadership of Cuba, though.

Yassir Arafat died a very, very wealthy man. Giving a small portion of his fortune to the Palestinian people, instead of parking it in accounts in Europe - likely would have the result of assisting his people.

Even Saddam Hussein invested in infrastructure.

or ask the surrounding arab countries why they won't take in the palestinian refugees.

The "living conditions of the palestinians" are a great thing for many arab countries... it gives them something to blame Isreal for.

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Hi slug

That's a very good question, but I can't see it's relevance to this thread.

Please elaborate

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Hi slug

That's a very good question, but I can't see it's relevance to this thread.

Please elaborate

Hi Crozby

thanks for the civil response especially in SC.

Thought my question was as relevent as you asking other people that have strong opinions their religion.

This whole thread and others like it won't change any ones mind. Just piss's people off, and gives them a oppurtunity to impress others with their debateing and spelling abilities.

Gotta go check on more important stuff like the thread on Farting in the airplane

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2. Amazon: Are you a Jew? I ask because your posts are usually so anti-right-wing, but when it comes to Israel you come across like a right hard-arse

Nope I am not Jewish.

I supportted the Israeli's for one reason. They have tried for the last 60 years to make peace with the Palistinians.... and Arabs. All they have gotten for it is to be attacked worldwide by the Peace loving peoples of Islam. They have the peacefull Palistinaians coming into their clubs and buses and blowing themselves up as well as just as many civilians as they can murder. Why... to become martyrs as they have been brought up to believe.... why.... so their little heads can be all happy with 72 virgins.

I wonder what they REALLY get when they get there and GOD/ALLAH....reminds them about that whole ..THOU SHALL NOT KILL.....do not kill innocents of the people of THE BOOK...thing.

Maybe some of the peaceloving Imams and leaders of Hamas and Hezbollah should be lining up to blow the fuck out of themselves.... if its such a good deal.

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I supportted the Israeli's for one reason. They have tried for the last 60 years to make peace with the Palistinians.... and Arabs.

Your support is based on an inaccurate premise. There's plenty of evidence to refute that claim and with the internet as a resource it's easier to find than it was during the last half century. Both sides are just as guilty of propagating the violence just as both sides are guilty of war crimes in 2006.

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Gotta go check on more important stuff like the thread on Farting in the airplane


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