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Plants have feelings too you know.
Yes, I know, I felt really bad about it.
I feel with you. Physical strain sometimes can be painful for your back
dudeist skydiver # 3105
Hooknswoop 19
QuoteGuns - as in firearms - are designed to kill. That's why they have small projectiles that are launched at a speed that can penetrate flesh.
Guns are designed to launch small projectiles at speed. They are not designed to kill anymore than knives are all designed to kill. Knives are designed to cut. I don't think it is fair to villianize guns by saying they are designed to kill.
Derek
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Guns are designed to launch small projectiles at speed. They are not designed to kill anymore than knives are all designed to kill. Knives are designed to cut. I don't think it is fair to villianize guns by saying they are designed to kill.
Yeah. Why don't you "cut" your steak with some small projectiles at high speed? A nice little .22 calibre would do the job, just 80 - 120 quick shots - et voilà! Steak's cut and ready for a nice BBQ!
BTW: How does it look like if someone "villainizes" a gun? Does it hurt the weapon a lot?
Bwahahaha - love those gun huggers
dudeist skydiver # 3105
billvon 3,120
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>Guns are designed to launch small projectiles at speed.
Then I will ask you the same question I asked John. If you saw a firearm that, by design, could not launch a projectile faster than 200fps, would you consider it a usable gun?
>I don't think it is fair to villianize guns by saying they are designed to kill.
Electric chairs are designed to kill, and claiming that you can sit in them without dying is a silly tactic. The fact that electric chairs are used for executions does not make electric chairs inherently evil, or villians. They don't do anything unless an operator uses them to kill someone. Without the operator they're just an inanimate object.
Guns are designed to kill. Doesn't mean they're bad, or that you have to use them to kill someone every time you fire them. That's just their design goal. No gun will do anything evil unless someone evil uses them to commit a crime. If that happens, a gun will generally do its job very well.
Then I will ask you the same question I asked John. If you saw a firearm that, by design, could not launch a projectile faster than 200fps, would you consider it a usable gun?
>I don't think it is fair to villianize guns by saying they are designed to kill.
Electric chairs are designed to kill, and claiming that you can sit in them without dying is a silly tactic. The fact that electric chairs are used for executions does not make electric chairs inherently evil, or villians. They don't do anything unless an operator uses them to kill someone. Without the operator they're just an inanimate object.
Guns are designed to kill. Doesn't mean they're bad, or that you have to use them to kill someone every time you fire them. That's just their design goal. No gun will do anything evil unless someone evil uses them to commit a crime. If that happens, a gun will generally do its job very well.
JohnRich 4
QuoteGuns are designed to kill... That's just their design goal.
Once again: this is not always true. To make such a blanket statement about all guns is incorrect. No matter how many times someone repeats this mantra, it just isn't true.
But intellect, logic and facts have departed this discussion from the mouths of the gun-o-phobes.
skydyvr 0
QuoteGuns are designed to kill.
False blanket statement. Many guns, from the drawing board on up, are designed specifically for other purposes.
You sure do take the weak side of quite a few arguments lately.
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kbordson 8
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Guns are designed to launch small projectiles at speed. They are not designed to kill anymore than knives are all designed to kill. Knives are designed to cut. I don't think it is fair to villianize guns by saying they are designed to kill.
Yeah. Why don't you "cut" your steak with some small projectiles at high speed? A nice little .22 calibre would do the job, just 80 - 120 quick shots - et voilà! Steak's cut and ready for a nice BBQ!
Ummm.... for the record. A few years back some friends came out to visit when I was in the Black Hills. We were baja'ing and a tree was down over a land bridge between two streams/lakes. We took our vehicle down the bank and back up. One of our friends had a real fear of being trapped in a vehicle in water so decided to try to scale the tree across the road. Yup. You guessed it. Stuck. We had no saws, no machetes, just the guns that we were going out to the range to shoot. So... we used the guns to cut the tree. So Yes, Virginia... you can cut with guns.
Karen
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Hooknswoop 19
QuoteElectric chairs are designed to kill
Right, so doea that mean that alll chairs are designed to kill? Of course not. An electric chair was designed speficially to execute. That does not mean all chairs are designed to kill.
QuoteThen I will ask you the same question I asked John. If you saw a firearm that, by design, could not launch a projectile faster than 200fps, would you consider it a usable gun?
gun Pronunciation (gn)
n.
1. A weapon consisting of a metal tube from which a projectile is fired at high velocity into a relatively flat trajectory.
2. A cannon with a long barrel and a relatively low angle of fire.
3. A portable firearm, such as a rifle or revolver.
4. A device resembling a firearm or cannon, as in its ability to project something, such as grease, under pressure or at great speed.
I don't see anything in the definition that says less than 200 fps is not a gun and more than 200 fps is a gun. I think that as long as it fires a projectile at high velocity, it is a gun.
QuoteGuns are designed to kill. Doesn't mean they're bad,
Sure it does. Isn't killing bad? Isn't an instrument of death bad?
Weren't knive originally designed to kill? Does that mean all knives are designed to kill?
Derek
billvon 3,120
>Right, so doea that mean that alll chairs are designed to kill?
Exactly. Just as all mechanical devices were not meant to kill.
However, firearms and electric chairs are SPECIFIC devices intended to kill.
>I think that as long as it fires a projectile at high velocity, it is a gun.
Is 200fps (freefall speed, or fast baseball speed) high velocity?
>Sure it does. Isn't killing bad? Isn't an instrument of death bad?
No. Anyone who eats meat kills several times a day (or pays someone else to.) Lots of people hunt. Park rangers kill bears. Fishermen kill sharks. It's part of life.
Exactly. Just as all mechanical devices were not meant to kill.
However, firearms and electric chairs are SPECIFIC devices intended to kill.
>I think that as long as it fires a projectile at high velocity, it is a gun.
Is 200fps (freefall speed, or fast baseball speed) high velocity?
>Sure it does. Isn't killing bad? Isn't an instrument of death bad?
No. Anyone who eats meat kills several times a day (or pays someone else to.) Lots of people hunt. Park rangers kill bears. Fishermen kill sharks. It's part of life.
Hooknswoop 19
QuoteHowever, firearms and electric chairs are SPECIFIC devices intended to kill.
You put a qualifier before 'chairs' (electric), but not 'firearms'. Just as there are many types of chairs, there are many types of firearms. Just as not all chairs are designed to kill, not all firearms are designed to kill. I will grant you the percentage of firearms designed to kill is much higher than the percentage of chairs designed to kill. Of course you can kill with a firearm that wasn't designed to kill, just as you can kill with a chair that wasn't dsigned to kill.
To say all firearms are designed to kill is no different than to say all chairs are designed to kill. Neither statement is true, they just contain an element of truth.
Not all airplanes are designed to kill. Not all knives are designed to kill. Not all chairs are designed to kill. Not all firearms are designed to kill.
Now if you want to start comparing specific classifications, ya, fighter aircraft are designed to kill, electric chairs are dsigned to kill, bayonets are designed to kill, and assault rifles are designed to kill. It isn't a valid comparision to say that all airplanes are designed to kill, just like all electric chairs are designed to kill. That argument doesn't hold water and is obviously false, even though there is an element of truth to it (some airplanes are designed to kill).
Not all firearms are designed to kill.
Derek
skydyvr 0
QuoteNot all firearms are designed to kill.
Could you please explain this a little more clearly -- I still don't get it.
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dorbie 0
QuoteQuoteNot all firearms are designed to kill.
Could you please explain this a little more clearly -- I still don't get it.
Maybe this is what they mean:
http://www.libertybelles.org/images2/shame/ungun.JPG
QuoteQuoteQuoteNot all firearms are designed to kill.
Could you please explain this a little more clearly -- I still don't get it.
Maybe this is what they mean:
http://www.libertybelles.org/images2/shame/ungun.JPG
Wow! This must be one of JR's older toys after some malfunctions
dudeist skydiver # 3105
craddock 0
Could you please explain this a little more clearly -- I still don't get it***
People have tried but you refuse to get it. You are going on the premise that since guns were originally designed to kill, that every gun manufactered to this day is still designed to kill.
There are several companies that make high end Trap guns that cost from 10k to 30k+ which are designed from the ground up to shoot at clay targets. Some are from companies that do not even manufacter hunting firearms. In other words I am not talking about using an existing receiver and turning the firearm into a target gun. I am talking about a firearm that shares no parts of a firearm designed to be taken into the field. There are some manufacturers that take an existing design and modify it for target use. Others design from the ground up for targets.
The Bow and Arrow was invented to Kill. I shot archery in Junior High. Do you think the bows I was using were designed to kill? I own several bows(as well as many firearms) that are designed to hunt with. In this day their are also highly specialized(and highly expensive) bows designed for target competition. While they could technically be taken in the field to kill an animal they are not as practical as the current hunting bows on the market. Why is that? Simple. That is not what they were designed for. Just like the bows that I shot in Junior high were not designed to kill. Or the first couple child bows that I owned. My first was a Red Bear recurve with only 10-15 lbs draw. I still have a picture of my first Robin Hood with that bow. I am pretty sure it was not designed to kill though.
So so you think that all Bows are designed to kill also since that was the original reason for their invention?
That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side.
wmw999 2,589
That is an excellent and unemotional explanation.
Wendy W.
Wendy W.
There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)
kallend 2,150
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Could you please explain this a little more clearly -- I still don't get it***
People have tried but you refuse to get it. You are going on the premise that since guns were originally designed to kill, that every gun manufactered to this day is still designed to kill.
The Bow and Arrow was invented to Kill. I shot archery in Junior High. Do you think the bows I was using were designed to kill? I own several bows(as well as many firearms) that are designed to hunt with. In this day their are also highly specialized(and highly expensive) bows designed for target competition. While they could technically be taken in the field to kill an animal they are not as practical as the current hunting bows on the market. Why is that? Simple. That is not what they were designed for. Just like the bows that I shot in Junior high were not designed to kill. Or the first couple child bows that I owned. My first was a Red Bear recurve with only 10-15 lbs draw. I still have a picture of my first Robin Hood with that bow. I am pretty sure it was not designed to kill though.
So so you think that all Bows are designed to kill also since that was the original reason for their invention?
Just because some have been optimized for practicing on surrogates instead of living targets does not mean that they are not killing machines.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
Yes, I know, I felt really bad about it.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
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