Are we getting snowed with this terror plot?

[kelpdiver 2]

Chalk me up on this subject similar to how I feel about the Landis doping claim. Appears to be true, but my bullshit sense is tingling. It's highly unlikely that this many people could pull off such a conspiracy, yet it feels ridiculous, like the guy trying to light his shoes on fire.

After all the lies told to us regarding the 'war on terror,' why does everyone seem to take this on faith? Lots of posters noting the silliness of the security reaction, but not any I saw wondering if it really happened.

We'll never see the evidence. If it's true, that would be counterproductive, esp on the bomb info. If false, we'll never be able to challenge it. So all we got is some number of guys that were thinking about booking tickets to do a dry run in a few days, and then intended to rain down airplanes using sports drinks and gel.

The timing is great. The GOP already shot its load on divisive issues and still has this turkey of a war to promote. Though all the blame is being sent to al Queda, I'm sure we'll see some Iraq or Iran tie in soon.

And again we get to test the sheep like willingness of travelers to put up with any proceedure imagined in the name of safety. I'm trying to figure out how someone was going to threaten the plane with a copy of the New York Times. I know it's a leftist rag, but come on.

I hope all these steps are just a rush reaction till they can figure out what really needs to be done. Right now a 6 hour flight to London sounds like the most miserable experience imaginable. The compromise truth my mind sees now is some laughing senior Islamics that send out their most marginal agents with a harebrained scheme that would never work, but didn't need to. The terror results have been achieved.

waiting for the whitewash tomorrow...

[shropshire 0]

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Even if the plot did exist, it didn't have to be 100% credible to get the police involved... just the hint of bombs on a/cs will get them jumping for their overtime um... assault gear.
Terrorists dont need to enter airport ground to get their work done. No need for actual bombs, virtual ones ground aircraft and cause disruption too.

As I said in a previous post. The terrorists have us running scared .... so Job Done.


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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[miked10270 0]

Yeah... If they get us to change how we live, incite some religious or racial hatred & intolerance, then they win.

That's why the 7/7 bombings were such a dismal failure - Londoners dusted off their "Blitz" mentality and got down to "business as usual".

It's important to remember that this attepted atrocity (if true) was done by a bunch of Evil-Shitheads (who happen to be Muslim / Pakistani). BUT primarily they're Evil-Shitheads!

If this "plot" isn't genuine, then we have to look "elsewhere" for the Evil-Shitheads!

Like I said before, this "war" isn't between Christian & Islam, or between Westarn & Eastern or White & Brown.

It's between Extremists & Moderates. Autocracy & Democracy... And every society has elements of both.

Mike.

Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable.

Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

[Gravitymaster 0]

Damned straight!!

This is nothing but a cheesey attempt to get Lieberman and Republicans re-elected. Eveytime Bush and Bliar's poll numbers start to drop, we have an incident like this. There is no question this transparently obvious plot is the work of Rummy and Cheney and their buddies at PNAC.

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Chalk me up on this subject similar to how I feel about the Landis doping claim. Appears to be true, but my bullshit sense is tingling. It's highly unlikely that this many people could pull off such a conspiracy, yet it feels ridiculous, like the guy trying to light his shoes on fire.

After all the lies told to us regarding the 'war on terror,' why does everyone seem to take this on faith? Lots of posters noting the silliness of the security reaction, but not any I saw wondering if it really happened.

We'll never see the evidence. If it's true, that would be counterproductive, esp on the bomb info. If false, we'll never be able to challenge it. So all we got is some number of guys that were thinking about booking tickets to do a dry run in a few days, and then intended to rain down airplanes using sports drinks and gel.

The timing is great. The GOP already shot its load on divisive issues and still has this turkey of a war to promote. Though all the blame is being sent to al Queda, I'm sure we'll see some Iraq or Iran tie in soon.

And again we get to test the sheep like willingness of travelers to put up with any proceedure imagined in the name of safety. I'm trying to figure out how someone was going to threaten the plane with a copy of the New York Times. I know it's a leftist rag, but come on.

I hope all these steps are just a rush reaction till they can figure out what really needs to be done. Right now a 6 hour flight to London sounds like the most miserable experience imaginable. The compromise truth my mind sees now is some laughing senior Islamics that send out their most marginal agents with a harebrained scheme that would never work, but didn't need to. The terror results have been achieved.

waiting for the whitewash tomorrow...

Yup. Keep the sheep scared (afraid) Words escape me.

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

[shropshire 0]

Yeap, terroists are evil... but my point is that they aren't stupid.. they dont actually need to smuggle explosives into airports or on to planes.... just the suggestion is enough to do their job.

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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[shropshire 0]

Thanks for adding to the discussion.

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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[Gravitymaster 0]

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Yeap, terroists are evil... but my point is that they aren't stupid.. they dont actually need to smuggle explosives into airports or on to planes.... just the suggestion is enough to do their job.

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WOW. I can't understand how you think the attempt is somehow on par with as many as 3000 people actually dying. I think the fact that our intel sucessfully uncovered and prevented this attack is a defeat for the terrorists and a plus for us.

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Damned straight!!

This is nothing but a cheesey attempt to get Lieberman and Republicans re-elected. Eveytime Bush and Bliar's poll numbers start to drop, we have an incident like this...

Quite possible. There is a degree of correspondence, and let's face it. IF you're going to steadfastly fight a war, then there has to be news of a battle or two fought (& won) to keep the home-fires burning.

Another good side-effect of this is that it's almost certainly stopped the Papparazzi following Bliar out to Barbados. The "Acid-Test" of this latest crisis will be if it also stops the lying bastard getting back. If you want dangerous liquids, then consider the piss he's been taking out of us!!?

Mike.

Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable.

Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

[Gravitymaster 0]

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Thanks for adding to the discussion.

I'm just adding the thoughts of many people I've been reading on the liberal blogs. Don't you think we should consider all possibilities? Don't you think a dissenting opinion is healthy to any discussion?

[shropshire 0]

So, where did I say it's on par?

Comprehension is a really useful skill when reading.

What I suggested was that sucess for a planned terrorist attack can actually be achieved even if bombs aren't used or go off.

Yesterday alone had a massive cost impact, both finacially and emmotionally..... Clearly terrorist aims were met without them being on site or killing folk.


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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[skydyvr 0]

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What I suggested was that sucess for a planned terrorist attack can actually be achieved even if bombs aren't used or go off.

Wrong -- the good guys won this one.

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[miked10270 0]

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I think the fact that our intel sucessfully uncovered and prevented this attack is a defeat for the terrorists and a plus for us.

IF this is in fact a genuine plot.

As I said elsewhere, what springs to my mind is the "Suicide-Bomber" heroically shot by cops as he was about detonate a bomb on a Tube-Train. Then there was that Chemical / Bio Bomb factory in North London that was raided (when another "Terrorist" was shot)...

Let's be sure that the "Liquid-Explosive" they were making doesn't turn out to be a recipe for extra-hot Vindaloo!

Let's be sure that the folk behind this dastardly scheme are in fact the ones that've been arrested, and not the ones ordering the arrests.

Mike.

Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable.

Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

[shropshire 0]

O.K people didn't die..... good thing.

massive financial impact ....... bad thing.
further reduction in liberty.......bad thing.
massive disruption to many 1000s of people & businesses.......... bad thing

There's degrees of sucess.

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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[skydyvr 0]

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Let's be sure that the folk behind this dastardly scheme are in fact the ones that've been arrested, and not the ones ordering the arrests.

The problem is that it would take a massive coverup for this to stay a secret. Like the Trade Center, moon landing, and UFO/government conspiracies, it just isn't feasable when dozens and dozens of citizens have to participate in the hush-up.

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[skydyvr 0]

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There's degrees of sucess.

Yep, and there's degrees of failure. Thankfully, those terrorists FAILED to meet their goal.

On the other hand, western intelligence agencies chalked up a huge success. I'm focused on that.

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[miked10270 0]

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Let's be sure that the folk behind this dastardly scheme are in fact the ones that've been arrested, and not the ones ordering the arrests.

The problem is that it would take a massive coverup for this to stay a secret...

Not necessarily. The number of people who have to KNOW that this plot isn't genuine - the ones supplying the intel & intercepts - is not large. The police & prosecution agencies will act on the intel supplied.

I dop think it's PROBABLY genuine. Almost certainly so. But there remains this nagging doubt based on past incidents where "Terrorist-Plots" have turned out to be nothing of the sort, or grossly over-inflated.

Mike.

Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable.

Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

[nigel99 646]

It's very real.

One of the guys arrested lives on my road (about 10 doors away). The place is still cordoned off 24 hours later with 4 armed police outside the premises.

I was at work when it all broke - but my wife says that police removed explosives from the site. Also it appears that there are more people involved than are being publicly released.

Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived.

[nacmacfeegle 0]

"what springs to my mind is the "Suicide-Bomber" heroically shot by cops as he was about detonate a bomb on a Tube-Train. Then there was that Chemical / Bio Bomb factory in North London that was raided (when another "Terrorist" was shot)... "

Y'know, sometimes your humour is wasted on this mob, Mike.....

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[kallend 2,182]

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Yeap, terroists are evil... but my point is that they aren't stupid.. they dont actually need to smuggle explosives into airports or on to planes.... just the suggestion is enough to do their job.

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WOW. I can't understand how you think the attempt is somehow on par with as many as 3000 people actually dying. I think the fact that our intel sucessfully uncovered and prevented this attack is a defeat for the terrorists and a plus for us.

3000 people die on the roads every month. If we were really serious about saving lives, we'd start there, not by half-baked and often illegal "security" measures.

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[rushmc 23]

It appears your point may have struck a nerve

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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Yeap, terroists are evil... but my point is that they aren't stupid.. they dont actually need to smuggle explosives into airports or on to planes.... just the suggestion is enough to do their job.

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WOW. I can't understand how you think the attempt is somehow on par with as many as 3000 people actually dying. I think the fact that our intel sucessfully uncovered and prevented this attack is a defeat for the terrorists and a plus for us.

3000 people die on the roads every month. If we were really serious about saving lives, we'd start there, not by half-baked and often illegal "security" measures.

3000 hum?
Not such a big number when used in this context?

interesting

(I await the eccelerant)

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Gravitymaster 0]

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Yeap, terroists are evil... but my point is that they aren't stupid.. they dont actually need to smuggle explosives into airports or on to planes.... just the suggestion is enough to do their job.

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WOW. I can't understand how you think the attempt is somehow on par with as many as 3000 people actually dying. I think the fact that our intel sucessfully uncovered and prevented this attack is a defeat for the terrorists and a plus for us.

3000 people die on the roads every month. If we were really serious about saving lives, we'd start there, not by half-baked and often illegal "security" measures.

Yeah, right. What's a few thousand here and a few thousand there. Heck after a while we may actually start talking some serious numbers.

Of course I'm sure you would have a different view if it was your family members who ended up dead in a terrorist attack instead of "other people." Nice how some can so callously send other people off to die from the saftey of their keyboard.

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I'm just adding the thoughts of many people I've been reading on the liberal blogs.

I tried that for a week. It was great fun. But exhausting. Raving liberals have great focus and stamina.

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Yeap, terroists are evil... but my point is that they aren't stupid.. they dont actually need to smuggle explosives into airports or on to planes.... just the suggestion is enough to do their job.

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WOW. I can't understand how you think the attempt is somehow on par with as many as 3000 people actually dying. I think the fact that our intel sucessfully uncovered and prevented this attack is a defeat for the terrorists and a plus for us.

3000 people die on the roads every month. If we were really serious about saving lives, we'd start there, not by half-baked and often illegal "security" measures.

Yeah, right. What's a few thousand here and a few thousand there. Heck after a while we may actually start talking some serious numbers.

Of course I'm sure you would have a different view if it was your family members who ended up dead in a terrorist attack instead of "other people." Nice how some can so callously send other people off to die from the saftey of their keyboard.

Brace yourselves folks: I actually agree with Gravitymaster on this one!!

Look, when our intellgence agencies actually DO THE JOB WE PAY THEM FOR, WTF else is it going to look like???

I mean, fuck, here they actually DETECTED & STOPPED a terrorist attack before it happened, and people are bitching.

I guess if the terrorist attack had been allowed to happen, then that is the only way you'd be convinced it was a real threat.

WTF do you want??

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