matthewcline 0 #51 August 9, 2006 Well I didn't vote for him after I did a little research in to Arkansas. I didn't feel he was good, but I must a been wrong he did do 8 years.An Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #52 August 9, 2006 Quote Leiberman, otoh, has declared his needs more important than his party, or his state, in deciding on a do-over election as an independent. It's time for him to get a job. Alternately, it could be that Lieberman feels he can do a better job for the people of Connecticut and doesn't care whether the Democrats like it. Just a possibility. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #53 August 9, 2006 >and doesn't care whether the Democrats like it. Just a possibility. Unlikely. If he didn't care what the democrats thought, he wouldn't have spent millions to get their nomination (both originally and in this primary.) More likely, he wanted the nomination and the support that the party offered, and is now trying to figure out how to win without it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #54 August 9, 2006 Quote>and doesn't care whether the Democrats like it. Just a possibility. Unlikely. If he didn't care what the democrats thought, he wouldn't have spent millions to get their nomination (both originally and in this primary.) More likely, he wanted the nomination and the support that the party offered, and is now trying to figure out how to win without it. Poor wording on my part. Clearly he would have preferred the backing of the DNC to running as an independent. My point was that maybe it isn't about "his needs" as much as doing what he thinks is best. And I'm not saying that's the case, just that it's a possibility. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #55 August 9, 2006 QuoteQuote Leiberman, otoh, has declared his needs more important than his party, or his state, in deciding on a do-over election as an independent. It's time for him to get a job. Alternately, it could be that Lieberman feels he can do a better job for the people of Connecticut and doesn't care whether the Democrats like it. Just a possibility. Blues, Dave No, I feel the same way Kelp does on this. Lieberman's run as an Indy may very well split the Democratic vote and toss the seat over to the Republicans, at a time when the Democrats dearly need to win - and keep - every seat they can if they are to re-gain control of the Senate. "The best person for the job" is bullshit in these days of polarized politics. It's the team that gets things done, not the person. If Lieberman really cared about the big picture- the overall agenda espoused by people who traditionally vote Democratic - he'd show some maturity and step aside. But instead, "It's All About Joe". He's being selfish, or selectively obtuse, or both. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #56 August 9, 2006 >If Lieberman really cared about the big picture- the overall agenda > espoused by people who traditionally vote Democratic - he'd show > some maturity and step aside. But instead, "It's All About Joe". He's > being selfish, or selectively obtuse, or both. That's assuming that he values a democratic win in that state. He may merely value a Lieberman win over a democratic win. His logic might be that people voted for him, not a democrat, last time. (A rationalization? Perhaps. But never underestimate the power of a loser of a contest to rationalize his loss.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #57 August 9, 2006 QuoteBut never underestimate the power of a loser of a contest to rationalize his loss.) Absolutely. Anyway, Lieberman isn't exactly on the best terms with Dem leadership. Maybe doing his best to secure a Dem loss is his way of giving the Italian salute to the party. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #58 August 9, 2006 I think Joe Lieberman believes the people of Connecticut would be better served by his presence in the Senate than by anyone else, and is therefore running as an Independent. I was very perturbed with the man by the positions he took when running as Gore's VP candidate, but kind of like the man as of late. He seems to be a level-headed moderate in a Senate populated by partisans. I hope he wins as an Independent. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #59 August 10, 2006 QuoteI think Joe Lieberman believes the people of Connecticut would be better served by his presence in the Senate than by anyone else, and is therefore running as an Independent. I was very perturbed with the man by the positions he took when running as Gore's VP candidate, but kind of like the man as of late. He seems to be a level-headed moderate in a Senate populated by partisans. I hope he wins as an Independent. He's not "moderate". He only gets that title because he's pro war. Period. That aside, he's an incumbent. Personally, three terms is one too many for ANY Congressman. You get one to get started, one to get your goals accomplished, and then it's time to leave and go back to work your farm. More than two terms in Congress and it's "all about you" and not about your constituents. Our lives would be better with term limits. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #60 August 10, 2006 I disagree. Prior to the '00 election he was a right leaning Dem on an issue or two. He even had some ideas - albeit bad ones - to cut taxes when GWB was proposing tax cuts. There's a lot of merit to term limits. I'd say four to five for Reps and three to four for Senators myself. Two for governors and the ten year restriction for the President sounds good to me. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #61 August 10, 2006 Quote it could be that Lieberman feels he can do a better job for the people of Connecticut and doesn't care {{if the people of Connecticut agree}} Seems Joe is "true" democrat ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #62 August 10, 2006 QuoteQuote it could be that Lieberman feels he can do a better job for the people of Connecticut and doesn't care {{if the people of Connecticut agree}} Seems Joe is "true" democrat I can't believe I'm defending Joe when I don't even really care for much of the guy's politics. Anyhow, this was a primary, and thus, AFAIK, not open to "the people of Connecticut". I was just pointing out that a lot of people are ascribing positions to the man that aren't actually in evidence. It's POSSIBLE that he perceives himself as a voice of moderation and believes support for the President in a time of war is more important to the well-being of Connecticut (and this country) than polarization behind a considerably less moderate candidate who wants an immediate withdrawal. It's POSSIBLE that he feels it's his duty to offer that position to the entire slate of voters rather than only those DNC members who vote in a primary. It's POSSIBLE that he's just drunk on power and doesn't want to relinquish it. Personally, I don't agree with the position that blind support for an imbecile in charge is better than well-reasoned dissent. Still, IF Joe is making his decisions based on what he thinks is right, I can at least respect his conviction. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #63 August 10, 2006 Quote I was just pointing out that a lot of people are ascribing positions to the man that aren't actually in evidence. It's POSSIBLE that he perceives himself as a voice of moderation and believes support for the President in a time of war is more important to the well-being of Connecticut (and this country) than polarization behind a considerably less moderate candidate who wants an immediate withdrawal. It's POSSIBLE that he feels it's his duty to offer that position to the entire slate of voters rather than only those DNC members who vote in a primary. It's POSSIBLE that he's just drunk on power and doesn't want to relinquish it. It's also POSSIBLE that there's a big Jewish elephant in this room. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #64 August 10, 2006 QuoteIF Joe is making his decisions based on what he thinks is right, I can at least respect his conviction. Actually, that's what I think. But those kind of standards won't get you into office with either party ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #65 August 10, 2006 > I was just pointing out that a lot of people are ascribing positions to > the man that aren't actually in evidence. I agree. What happened in Connecticut wasn't a demonstration of the evils of Joe Lieberman, or "the system", or an example of someone drunk on power. It was an example of democracy, specifically the voting process. Often, incumbents don't bother to represent their constituents much once they are elected; they rely on the fact that with party support, and the built-in advantages of being an incumbent, they're set. In Connecticut, democrats decided they no longer wanted Joe Lieberman to support them - and they voted him off their party's ticket in favor of someone who (they think) will represent them better. That's how it's _supposed_ to work. Joe Lieberman may feel he can do a better job for the people of Connecticut. The people who elected him feel otherwise. And in the end, they are who matters. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #66 August 10, 2006 Quote In Connecticut, democrats decided they no longer wanted Joe Lieberman to support them - and they voted him off their party's ticket in favor of someone who (they think) will represent them better. That's how it's _supposed_ to work. Agreed. None of that prohibits an election strategy of first trying to win a party's nomination and subsequently campaigning as an independent. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #67 November 13, 2006 Does anyone else think it's ironic that Joe Leiberman is now in such an infuencial position considering the Dems kicked him to the curb, back in August? Talk about an interesting turn of events. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #68 November 13, 2006 nope.. politics makes for strange bedfellows.... Just look at all the strange bedfellows in the last year.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #69 November 13, 2006 Do you know what ironic means? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #70 November 13, 2006 QuoteDoes anyone else think it's ironic that Joe Leiberman is now in such an infuencial position considering the Dems kicked him to the curb, back in August? Talk about an interesting turn of events. Is this the best "silver lining" you can find in last week's poll results?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #71 November 13, 2006 QuoteIs this the best "silver lining" you can find in last week's poll results? Some of the right is digging for any straw they can... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #72 November 13, 2006 QuoteQuoteDoes anyone else think it's ironic that Joe Leiberman is now in such an infuencial position considering the Dems kicked him to the curb, back in August? Talk about an interesting turn of events. Is this the best "silver lining" you can find in last week's poll results? Oh look... It's a strawman. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #73 November 13, 2006 I thought it was interesting that Liberman recieved ~70% of the registered republican's votes for the state and about 30% of the democrats. The democrat's canidate recieved about 65% of his own party and only about 5% from independents.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #74 November 13, 2006 QuoteI thought it was interesting that Liberman recieved ~70% of the registered republican's votes for the state and about 30% of the democrats. The democrat's canidate recieved about 65% of his own party and only about 5% from independents. Wait till the Dems start pushing their cut and run agenda and Lieberman switches parties. http://www.boston.com/news/local/connecticut/articles/2006/11/12/lieberman_refuses_to_close_door_on_switching_parties/ - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #75 November 13, 2006 QuoteQuoteI thought it was interesting that Liberman recieved ~70% of the registered republican's votes for the state and about 30% of the democrats. The democrat's canidate recieved about 65% of his own party and only about 5% from independents. Wait till the Dems start pushing their cut and run agenda - The events of last week showed that silly expression has no traction.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
