Lieberman defeated in CT primary

[kallend 2,146]

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There is gratitude for you, Joe Lieberman was a good guy and did an excellent job for his constituents.

I wonder why the Dems had to get rid of him?

I guess there is no place in politics for a man who tells the truth.

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Joe Lieberman was a good guy and did an excellent job for his constituents.

Then why was he voted out?

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This was a small sliver of voters in a primary. If Lieberman decides to take it to November as an Independent, I bet he'll win.

Lieberman waited too long to counter his opponent's "scandal" style politics.

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There is gratitude for you, Joe Lieberman was a good guy and did an excellent job for his constituents.

I wonder why the Dems had to get rid of him?

I guess there is no place in politics for a man who tells the truth.

Tainted by association with Bush.

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This was a small sliver of voters in a primary. If Lieberman decides to take it to November as an Independent, I bet he'll win.

Lieberman waited too long to counter his opponent's "scandal" style politics.

I bet he does too, and I think that the Dems have made him into a VERY strong enemy.

If he ran for President I would vote for him.

I hope he runs as a liberatarian, he seems to be one.

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www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,1840359,00.html

There is gratitude for you, Joe Lieberman was a good guy and did an excellent job for his constituents.

I wonder why the Dems had to get rid of him?

I guess there is no place in politics for a man who tells the truth.

Tainted by association with Bush.

Birds of a feather flock together comes to mind. I think it makes a statement. People are tired of all the warmongering. We'll see in Nov. I know were my money is riding

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www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,1840359,00.html

There is gratitude for you, Joe Lieberman was a good guy and did an excellent job for his constituents.

I wonder why the Dems had to get rid of him?

I guess there is no place in politics for a man who tells the truth.

Tainted by association with Bush.

Birds of a feather flock together comes to mind. I think it makes a statement. People are tired of all the warmongering. We'll see in Nov. I know were my money is riding

Well, it's expected that Republican candidates would try to distance themselves from Bush (www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/04/AR2006080401807.html), but when Dem candidates are also impacted negatively by association with him, it really says a lot.

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If he ran for President I would vote for him.

Did you vote for him last time you had the chance

[rehmwa 2]

total polarization of the parties

even a decent politician can't make it through a primary unless they cater to the extreme

we'll see it with the republicans too


the primary processes have torn up any chance of having a decent government

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[wmw999 2,587]

There are so many candidates who are really all about one issue (like Ned Lamont in CT seems to be). If I were queen, I'd outlaw candidates who can't intelligently discuss at least 10 or so of the important issues. I'd get to choose the issues, of course . And no, you wouldn't have to agree with me.

Really. We don't demand enough of our politicians or our candidates. Lieberman is a good man, and a good Senator. If he's beaten, he deserves to be beaten by someone with as broad a knowledge base as he has, not some yahoo who sees an opportunity, and capitalizes on it.

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not some yahoo who sees an opportunity, and capitalizes on it.

Why not, Capitalism and in a way America is based on just that principle.

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The anti war moveon.org spent millions against him for starters.

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it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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Tainted by association with Bush.

It was more than just being a little tainted. He was lock step with Bush on the Iraq war issue and went so far as to tell his fellow Democrats to shut the hell up and deal with it. Not only that, but in doing so he tossed about the same sort of "question the president and you're endangering the country" rhetoric that comes from the right.

"It's time for Democrats who distrust President Bush to acknowledge he'll be commander-in-chief for three more critical years, and that in matters of war we undermine presidential credibility at our nation's peril."

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This was a small sliver of voters in a primary. If Lieberman decides to take it to November as an Independent, I bet he'll win.

in recent polls 60% oppose the war, 60% disapprove of Bush,

... get the picture? 60% will oppose any pro-war candidate.

As a pro-war guy not backed by any party Lieberman is dead in the water

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I don't think he is dead in the water, just dead in Democrat Cove.

But I am not a fan of either party and vote for who I think the best person would be. I just wished once in office the best person would still be the best person and not run with a particular party line.

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I think it's a hollow and temporary victory from the C&R left and runs the risk of a huge political backlash if Lieberman is able to defeat Lamont in the General Election.

Lamont only got 140,000 votes yesterday. Most of those from the C&R crowd. Lieberman got 130,000. In the General Election in 2004 1,575,000 voted. Once the debates on the issue start, Lieberman will trounce Lamont by reminding voters of his stand on campaign finance, global warming, anti-terrorism etc and by contrasting his long history in politics to Lamonts one-issue candidacy.

Add to that the possibility of some of the 13% of Alan Schlesingers-R supporters seeing the futility of supporting a losing candidacy and migrating to Lieberman. I predict Lieberman will win re-election by a pretty convincing majority of the voters.

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>I wonder why the Dems had to get rid of him?

Because he supported the war.

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If I were queen, I'd outlaw candidates who can't intelligently discuss at least 10 or so of the important issues.

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[matthewcline 0]

So one issue is enough to dump him?

Of course one issue may be all the other individual can talk about and he could win the seat.

But if one issue is all it takes, why haven't both parties tanked more of thier beloved candidates?

To me they are all the same just trying to line thier pockets with the same money with different approaches.

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[billvon 3,111]

>So one issue is enough to dump him?

Personally? I'd dump him because:

1) He was as pro-war as they get, and that's a big issue for me.
2) He's on the "if you criticize the war you're a traitor" bandwagon, and we've had enough of that sort of divisiveness in government.
3) As soon as it looked like he was going to lose, he changed his story and became anti-war. Says something about the strength of his principles, no?

>But if one issue is all it takes, why haven't both parties tanked
>more of thier beloved candidates?

Because incumbents are more electable, and dumping an incumbent makes the seat more vulnerable to the other party. If your only goal is to try to get your party in power, keeping the incumbent is a wise choice.

>To me they are all the same just trying to line thier pockets with
>the same money with different approaches.

I agree there. Lamont may be no better of a person, but at least there will be one less congressman pushing for endless war.

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I agree there. Lamont may be no better of a person, but at least there will be one less congressman pushing for endless war.

Now if we can just get AQ and all the other little splinter groups of terrorists to cooperate, we can all hold hands and sing Kumbya.

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the primary processes have torn up any chance of having a decent government

Yes, they have.

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>So one issue is enough to dump him?

Personally? I'd dump him because:

2) He's on the "if you criticize the war you're a traitor" bandwagon, and we've had enough of that sort of divisiveness in government.

Let's see the soundbite or the meeting minutes.

I've never heard that said explicitly by any politician, I've see easy inferrences to it, but I've also seen it accused with some really weak reaching too.


but it sure it a nice accusation made frequently.

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So one issue is enough to dump him?

It's actually the best move for the Dems right now. What's the biggest issue going on? "It's the War, stupid!" Solid numbers supporting a withdrawal. It's a yes or no thing for just about everyone.

The Dems have lacked a unified issue that the voters could agree with. This isn't about race. It's not about the rich. It's not about class. It's not about taxes. It's not about the economy. It's not about the environment.

This is cut and dry - "war or no war?" Most say "no war." It's the first good move of Democratic Party boldness in 15 years. Maybe they are getting their shit together.

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