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According to God Michelle, I am hereby prohibited from responding to riduculous assertions about homosexuality when they're made on dropzone. Why? Because the topic is interesting to me.
We can assume this extends to everyone with a personal interest in ANY topic.
* John Rich is hereby prohibited from discussing guns -- because he likes them.
* Bill Von must refrain from discussing sustainable power -- simply because he's an expert in it.
* Sangiro must never mention dropzone.com itself -- because he's closely involved.
Your logic is impeccable, Michelle. Simply marvelous.
Edited to add: Just ask me sometime, Michelle, and I'll quickly pull up 10 threads where I've discussed cooking, skydiving, electoral politics, quantum physics, science fiction, or gardening and within three responses one of the homophobes (you know who they are) turns it into an anti-Narcimund, anti-gay thread. So give me a fucking break! If I post about homosexuality, I get attacked. If I don't post about homosexuality, I get attacked for NOT mentioning it!
Hell, 75% of the threads I post in immediately become anti-narcimund hatefests no matter WHAT the topic. The game of "Spot Narcimund -- ATTACK!" is cute and all. Really.
But I'm a little bored by it so you know what? From now on I'm going to simply ignore your personal attacks, Michelle. They're not funny any more, although repetitively punctuating them with "I still like you" does add a certain self-referential goofiness that amuses me somewhat.
First Class Citizen Twice Over
We can assume this extends to everyone with a personal interest in ANY topic.
* John Rich is hereby prohibited from discussing guns -- because he likes them.
* Bill Von must refrain from discussing sustainable power -- simply because he's an expert in it.
* Sangiro must never mention dropzone.com itself -- because he's closely involved.
Your logic is impeccable, Michelle. Simply marvelous.
Edited to add: Just ask me sometime, Michelle, and I'll quickly pull up 10 threads where I've discussed cooking, skydiving, electoral politics, quantum physics, science fiction, or gardening and within three responses one of the homophobes (you know who they are) turns it into an anti-Narcimund, anti-gay thread. So give me a fucking break! If I post about homosexuality, I get attacked. If I don't post about homosexuality, I get attacked for NOT mentioning it!
Hell, 75% of the threads I post in immediately become anti-narcimund hatefests no matter WHAT the topic. The game of "Spot Narcimund -- ATTACK!" is cute and all. Really.
But I'm a little bored by it so you know what? From now on I'm going to simply ignore your personal attacks, Michelle. They're not funny any more, although repetitively punctuating them with "I still like you" does add a certain self-referential goofiness that amuses me somewhat.
First Class Citizen Twice Over
Michele 1
QuoteAccording to God Michelle,
That's Goddess to you!
QuoteI am hereby prohibited from responding to riduculous[sic] assertions about homosexuality when they're made on dropzone [sic]. Why? Because the topic is interesting to me.
Nope. You're twisting my words again. Please refrain from that - I am perfectly capable of expressing myself adequately, thank you.
It's not about interest. It's about the caustic, vitriolic, hate filled postings that you've made recently that do not contribute to the thread at hand. This thread, for example, is not about homosexuality, and yet you've managed to take one phrase and get all bent out of shape.
I used to look forward to your posts, Narcimund. Your wit, intelligence and subtle commentary was a joy to read and participate in. It seems that lately, all you do is wait until someone makes a comment about homosexuality, and blammo, you come in guns blazing only about that.
What is your opinion on the Cuba situation? What do you think is in their future? In all your posts on this thread, not one has addressed it. Not one. Pity, that.
QuoteWe can assume this extends to everyone with a personal interest in ANY topic.
* John Rich is hereby prohibited from discussing guns -- because he likes them.
* Bill Von must refrain from discussing sustainable power -- simply because he's an expert in it.
* Sangiro must never mention dropzone.com itself -- because he's closely involved.
Sigh. It's not about interest. It's about delivery and motive. It's about waiting - ambushing, in fact - for people to make a statement about homosexuality that you don't personally agree with. And then you let loose with nasty, bullshit comments that have nothing to do with the topic, and serve only to further your own ends, whatever they may be.
YOu're carrying an awful lot of anger recently. I can't understand why you would be so fucking nasty to people who aren't discussing YOU personally. You are far more than where you put your penis...I'm sorry you don't believe so. You used to...but apparently, that's all you count yourself on. And that's a shame. You're an intelligent, interesting person and you were so before you were homosexual; it's not all about sex...but you've made it so.
If something insults you, I'd love to hear why it insulted you so. Not an attack on someone, but attack on the idea, the concept, the issue. You're not doing that now...you are full of PA's, and sideways slams, and it's really, really old and boring.
Say something new, whydontcha? Remind me why I think you're intelligent and witty.
QuoteYour logic is impeccable, Michelle. Simply marvelous.
Thanks. I think so. It doesn't always appear that way to people who have an agenda, however.
I'd rather go back to discussing Cuba. If you have anything else you want to say on a personal level, please use the PM feature. Thanks! (But you might want to use only one L in my name, or else it won't get to me....)
Ciels-
Michele
QuoteEdited to add: Just ask me sometime, Michelle, and I'll quickly pull up 10 threads where I've discussed cooking, skydiving, electoral politics, quantum physics, science fiction, or gardening and within three responses one of the homophobes (you know who they are) turns it into an anti-Narcimund, anti-gay thread. So give me a fucking break! If I post about homosexuality, I get attacked. If I don't post about homosexuality, I get attacked for NOT mentioning it!
Know what? I know you can - that's the guy who I continually reference when I say I like you. Not the raging, angry, vicious Narcimund who's been around lately.
QuoteHell, 75% of the threads I post in immediately become anti-narcimund hatefests no matter WHAT the topic. The game of "Spot Narcimund -- ATTACK!" is cute and all. Really.
Bullshit. That's bullshit, plain and simple. They do not - and this one would not be about you had you not posted your noncontributory commentary. If you can't see how you instigate it, then it's beyond me to explain it to you. If you're so committed to being a victim, be so. But don't expect the rest of the world to believe you so only because you say it.
QuoteBut I'm a little bored by it so you know what? From now on I'm going to simply ignore your personal attacks, Michelle. They're not funny any more, although repetitively punctuating them with "I still like you" does add a certain self-referential goofiness that amuses me somewhat.
Cool. Ignore my personal attacks (although if there are any, they were not intented as PAs, and I'm sorry you can't see that). I would ask that while you are ignoring my apparent PAs, you look at your PAs...and try to inhibit your use of them as well.
I am goofy, so you've got that part right, at least! And I do like you...and I miss who you were, and cannot reconcile who you've become.
Let's move this to pms, should anything further need be said.
Ciels again-
Michele
~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek
While our hearts lie bleeding?~
Article VII. To enable the United States to maintain the independence of Cuba, and to protect the people thereof, as well as for its own defense, the Government of Cuba will sell or lease to the United States lands necessary for coaling or naval stations, at certain specified points, to be agreed upon with the ]?resident of the United States.____________________________________________I always wondered how we kept Gitmo there. Thanks for the history lesson. I'm gonna go there for a visit one day but I have to go via mexico or by boat as it stands. I love cuban cigars. I was in Ybor City awhile back and went into a cigar shop. I asked the guy where I could get a good Cuban cigar. He replied "Kuba" Thought I was customs maybe![[:/]](/uploads/emoticons/dry.png "[:/]")
I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.
Steel 0
QuoteArticle VII. To enable the United States to maintain the independence of Cuba, and to protect the people thereof, as well as for its own defense, the Government of Cuba will sell or lease to the United States lands necessary for coaling or naval stations, at certain specified points, to be agreed upon with the ]?resident of the United States.____________________________________________I always wondered how we kept Gitmo there. Thanks for the history lesson.
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I try to help educate what I find important as often as possible and appreciate when people actually read the post.
thanks
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I'm gonna go there for a visit one day but I have to go via mexico or by boat as it stands.
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Ordinarily I would take offense to a statement like this but given the current state of events and knowing the regime is about to fall, I say go for it. Then again you might want to save your money as it won't be too long before the regime falls and you don't need to use a 3rd country. That tends to be an expensive way for Americans, as they would not charge you the same as they would charge people from Communist appeasing countries.
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I love cuban cigars.
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Yeah most people, who are into cigars, do.
Did you know that in the Domincan Republic they will import the seeds from Cuba and grow Cuban tabacco seeds on Domincan soil? These are actually legal to buy and certainly a lot cheaper.
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I was in Ybor City awhile back and went into a cigar shop. I asked the guy where I could get a good Cuban cigar. He replied "Kuba" Thought I was customs maybe
Maybe, but most likely if he was Cuban he wouldn't want to be buying from there.
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If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass.
Can't think of anything I need
No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound.
Nothing to eat, no books to read.
Can't think of anything I need
No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound.
Nothing to eat, no books to read.
rwieder 0
QuoteHe's a homosexual? Well shit. That proves he's evil right there.
But wait a second. Isn't "alcoholic homosexual" redundant? Aren't all those fags lushes?He's a homosexual? Well shit. That proves he's evil right there.
But wait a second. Isn't "alcoholic homosexual" redundant? Aren't all those fags lushes?
I've never agreed with much you've said so far. But you get no arguement out of me on either of these comments from your mouth.
-Richard-
"You're Holding The Rope And I'm Taking The Fall"
"You're Holding The Rope And I'm Taking The Fall"
Zeppo 0
I've actually been to Cuba a couple times (as a Canadian, it's a hot vacation spot) The people there are super friendly,
I've spoken to the locals, and sure, some of them do want to leave, but many others are happy. They view Castro as someone who shares the wealth of Cuba with all Cubans.
I know you might say that Castro lives in such a huge mansion (and he does...it's very nice) but what presidential leader doesn't?
I remember discussing (and sorry if this offends anyone) that when Castro took over all those years ago, there were a significant number of wealthy families who had everything taken from them (as with a communist government, no one is allowed to own anything) and shared everything with the entire population.
Other comments that I have heard from the locals (a couple whom I consider friends) is that crime rates are very low, and cuba is a very safe place (except when the US decides to bomb them, which I heard happened a decade or so ago) I also have seen (from a third country perspective) is that the USA and Cuba tend to villify each other, tailoring their stories to make the other country look bad in the eyes of their citizens.
I've even asked a number of them if they wanted to leave Cuba, and most of them told me no, they'd much prefer to stay.
I do know that the Cuban people do not have much, as it is still a poor country, but they are mostly happy. They have friends and family, and sharing is common place. And the Cuban people really know how to PARTY.
Along with their excellent (and free) medical system and a socialist education system (providing university education to any cuban, free of charge)
As the old saying goes, money can't buy happiness.
I expect to get alot of trash from this, but this is from first hand experience, from speaking with current residents, and a but of my own personal opinion.
I welcome your comments.
I've spoken to the locals, and sure, some of them do want to leave, but many others are happy. They view Castro as someone who shares the wealth of Cuba with all Cubans.
I know you might say that Castro lives in such a huge mansion (and he does...it's very nice) but what presidential leader doesn't?
I remember discussing (and sorry if this offends anyone) that when Castro took over all those years ago, there were a significant number of wealthy families who had everything taken from them (as with a communist government, no one is allowed to own anything) and shared everything with the entire population.
Other comments that I have heard from the locals (a couple whom I consider friends) is that crime rates are very low, and cuba is a very safe place (except when the US decides to bomb them, which I heard happened a decade or so ago) I also have seen (from a third country perspective) is that the USA and Cuba tend to villify each other, tailoring their stories to make the other country look bad in the eyes of their citizens.
I've even asked a number of them if they wanted to leave Cuba, and most of them told me no, they'd much prefer to stay.
I do know that the Cuban people do not have much, as it is still a poor country, but they are mostly happy. They have friends and family, and sharing is common place. And the Cuban people really know how to PARTY.
Along with their excellent (and free) medical system and a socialist education system (providing university education to any cuban, free of charge)
As the old saying goes, money can't buy happiness.
I expect to get alot of trash from this, but this is from first hand experience, from speaking with current residents, and a but of my own personal opinion.
I welcome your comments.
What goes up, must come DOWN!!!
rehmwa 2
QuoteAlong with their excellent (and free) medical system and a socialist education system (providing university education to any cuban, free of charge)
"free"
If you want to say 'socialized', then ok. But the illusion of 'free' is just plain wrong.
Whether that's good or bad is a different discussion and contextual to the society and the system in place.
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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants
QuoteQuoteAlong with their excellent (and free) medical system...
"free"
If you want to say 'socialized', then ok. But the illusion of 'free' is just plain wrong.
Was it Nils Bohr who said: "You can be either precise or concise"?
I took it as meaning "Free" (at the point of use). The classic Socialist: "From each according to his abilities - To each according to his needs".
With, of course, the attendant prblems of ANY socialist country... BRAIN-DRAIN!
For example, the sole compelling reason for building The Berlin Wall wasn't folk leaving The DDR for ideological reasons (although it was a good excuse), it was for Economic reasons. Having got the free (no cost to them at the time) education & qualifications, folk would then move to countries where these qualifications would pay better.
It's why (for example) the UK, despite having Dentists qualifying at a phenomenal rate, simultaneously has a shortage of Dentists! Train and qualify for free... Then emigrate to where the money is!
This leads to the question of which Cubans would want to leave. Anyone want to bet against it being Doctors, Dentists, Pharmacists, Engineers, & other professionals... The ones who would make more money and enjoy a better lifestyle in another country?
Mike.
Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable.
Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.
This is the problem with socialism: socialists are so focused on how to distribute the wealth that they ignore how it got generated in the first place.
And the best & the brightest, the ones most capable of creating wealth, are not rewarded for their efforts & want to leave.
so although socialists may distribute wealth evenly, there is also going to be MUCH less total wealth to distribute in the first place.
And the best & the brightest, the ones most capable of creating wealth, are not rewarded for their efforts & want to leave.
so although socialists may distribute wealth evenly, there is also going to be MUCH less total wealth to distribute in the first place.
Speed Racer
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Steel 0
No offense but your entire post is a load of crap obviously coming from somebody who cares only for himself.. For somebody who knows better, it IS offensive.
Only a fool would believe that a Cuban living in that hell hole is being geniune when saying that he likes that living in that system. When you think of how many rafts and boats have been shot down by Castro's army while only trying to leave, its obvious that they are just too scared to say what they feel.
I will post a letter that was sent by a Canadian who went to Cuba, but used his common sense to avoid writing flat out bull shit about the current Cuban life.
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LETTER FROM A CANADIAN WHO KNOWS THE REAL CUBA INSIDE AND OUT
I can not tell you how happy I am that therealcuba.com exists. It is truly unfortunate that the majority of the
world do not wish to acknowledge or admit that Cuba is a cest pool of corruption, greed, espionage, danger
and destruction. I sometimes wonder if things will change when the old SOB - Fidel, dies??? There are so many
people who have been brain washed, who have spent their entire lives living with the mind games set out in
what is supposed to be Communism that I do not believe they are capable of change. There are a select group
of Cubans who live the high life, they are high ranking members of the Party - rewarded for their treachery,
what will happen to them?? The Psyche of the old Cuban is fear. When you live in fear day in and day out,
and you watch every move, every gesture, every word you say for over 40 years, that has got to have an
adverse effect on your psyche! These people know the other side, they know what will happen if they do
not "tow the Line"! I have met former prisoners whose lives were changed because they dared to speak
out, and when they get out of prison they have nothing, and no one. They have to try and leave the country!
These people went from being young and happy to suffering post traumatic shock syndrome, depression, all
kinds of mental and emotional illness'. So to the tourist who becomes addicted to the music, dance, sex, or
whatever I say, "get Help"! THERE IS NOT ONE DAMN THING ROMANTIC, HAPPY OR WONDERFUL ABOUT A SYSTEM
THAT HOLDS 12 MILLION PEOPLE PRISONERS TO A CORRUPT SYSTEM. did anyone ever put 2 and 2 together and
figure out that Castro was one step ahead of everyone before he took power. He is 1,000 times worse than
Batista ever was! The difference between Batista and Castro is that Castro imprisoned the whole island, said
do as I say or you are dead meat, and took it all......no freedoms at all, no life at all, he owns EVERYTHING
lock, stock and barrel, every business, every natural resource, every aspect of agriculture, etc. At the end of
the day when a Cuban dies all he or she gets is a blue plastic binder type of coffin and a used grave to throw
the corpse into..................real estate is expensive you know! Castro owns every square inch of property
on the entire island of Cuba, every home, every garage, everything, including the body, minds and souls of
every person! Paranoid, if Castro is paranoid, he should be, if a government of human does not get him, the
devil surely will. I hope there is a hell, I truly do! Seen too much to even cry anymore! Signed : Sad but true
Thanks. There is nothing to add to such a letter. George
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Incase you want to see the website here is the link.
http://www.therealcuba.com/feedback.htm
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Here is another link from a different section in this website which has current pictures showing what tourist have in Cuba and then what Cubans have in Cuba. http://www.therealcuba.com/two_cubas.htm
This is in a country where the leader is the 7th richest dictator in the world, but shares his fortune with the people. Yeah right, if somebody is stupid enough to believe that.
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Only a fool would believe that a Cuban living in that hell hole is being geniune when saying that he likes that living in that system. When you think of how many rafts and boats have been shot down by Castro's army while only trying to leave, its obvious that they are just too scared to say what they feel.
I will post a letter that was sent by a Canadian who went to Cuba, but used his common sense to avoid writing flat out bull shit about the current Cuban life.
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LETTER FROM A CANADIAN WHO KNOWS THE REAL CUBA INSIDE AND OUT
I can not tell you how happy I am that therealcuba.com exists. It is truly unfortunate that the majority of the
world do not wish to acknowledge or admit that Cuba is a cest pool of corruption, greed, espionage, danger
and destruction. I sometimes wonder if things will change when the old SOB - Fidel, dies??? There are so many
people who have been brain washed, who have spent their entire lives living with the mind games set out in
what is supposed to be Communism that I do not believe they are capable of change. There are a select group
of Cubans who live the high life, they are high ranking members of the Party - rewarded for their treachery,
what will happen to them?? The Psyche of the old Cuban is fear. When you live in fear day in and day out,
and you watch every move, every gesture, every word you say for over 40 years, that has got to have an
adverse effect on your psyche! These people know the other side, they know what will happen if they do
not "tow the Line"! I have met former prisoners whose lives were changed because they dared to speak
out, and when they get out of prison they have nothing, and no one. They have to try and leave the country!
These people went from being young and happy to suffering post traumatic shock syndrome, depression, all
kinds of mental and emotional illness'. So to the tourist who becomes addicted to the music, dance, sex, or
whatever I say, "get Help"! THERE IS NOT ONE DAMN THING ROMANTIC, HAPPY OR WONDERFUL ABOUT A SYSTEM
THAT HOLDS 12 MILLION PEOPLE PRISONERS TO A CORRUPT SYSTEM. did anyone ever put 2 and 2 together and
figure out that Castro was one step ahead of everyone before he took power. He is 1,000 times worse than
Batista ever was! The difference between Batista and Castro is that Castro imprisoned the whole island, said
do as I say or you are dead meat, and took it all......no freedoms at all, no life at all, he owns EVERYTHING
lock, stock and barrel, every business, every natural resource, every aspect of agriculture, etc. At the end of
the day when a Cuban dies all he or she gets is a blue plastic binder type of coffin and a used grave to throw
the corpse into..................real estate is expensive you know! Castro owns every square inch of property
on the entire island of Cuba, every home, every garage, everything, including the body, minds and souls of
every person! Paranoid, if Castro is paranoid, he should be, if a government of human does not get him, the
devil surely will. I hope there is a hell, I truly do! Seen too much to even cry anymore! Signed : Sad but true
Thanks. There is nothing to add to such a letter. George
-----------------------------------------------
Incase you want to see the website here is the link.
http://www.therealcuba.com/feedback.htm
--------------------------------------------------
Here is another link from a different section in this website which has current pictures showing what tourist have in Cuba and then what Cubans have in Cuba. http://www.therealcuba.com/two_cubas.htm
This is in a country where the leader is the 7th richest dictator in the world, but shares his fortune with the people. Yeah right, if somebody is stupid enough to believe that.
,
If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass.
Can't think of anything I need
No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound.
Nothing to eat, no books to read.
Can't think of anything I need
No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound.
Nothing to eat, no books to read.
SkyDekker 1,465
QuoteNo offense but your entire post is a load of crap obviously coming from somebody who cares only for himself..
Noice.....
I took it as a personal account of somebody who has actually been to Cuba and who doesn't have this enormous personal bias.
How many times have you been to Cuba, Mr. Expert?
Steel 0
QuoteQuoteNo offense but your entire post is a load of crap obviously coming from somebody who cares only for himself..
Noice.....
I took it as a personal account of somebody who has actually been to Cuba and who doesn't have this enormous personal bias.
How many times have you been to Cuba, Mr. Expert?
I have already addressed that question and don't care to run through it again, Mr. Clueless.
,
If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass.
Can't think of anything I need
No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound.
Nothing to eat, no books to read.
Can't think of anything I need
No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound.
Nothing to eat, no books to read.
QuoteQuoteNo offense but your entire post is a load of crap obviously coming from somebody who cares only for himself..
Noice.....
I took it as a personal account of somebody who has actually been to Cuba and who doesn't have this enormous personal bias.
How many times have you been to Cuba, Mr. Expert?
And... How many times has the "Canadian Who Knows The Real Cuba" been there? The "Letter" is pure diatribe with NOTHING in it to back up the accusations it levels.
Mike.
Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable.
Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.
SkyDekker 1,465
QuoteAnd... How many times has the "Canadian Who Knows The Real Cuba" been there? The "Letter" is pure diatribe with NOTHING in it to back up the accusations it levels.
I wasn't speaking of the letter....I was speaking about one of the posters to this thread.
SkyDekker 1,465
QuoteI have already addressed that question and don't care to run through it again, Mr. Clueless.
You are obviously knowledgable on the subject, but your extreme bias and tendency to call anybody who shows the other side of the story an idiot makes it very difficult to take you seriously...
Steel 0
QuoteQuoteQuoteNo offense but your entire post is a load of crap obviously coming from somebody who cares only for himself..
Noice.....
I took it as a personal account of somebody who has actually been to Cuba and who doesn't have this enormous personal bias.
How many times have you been to Cuba, Mr. Expert?
And... How many times has the "Canadian Who Knows The Real Cuba" been there? The "Letter" is pure diatribe with NOTHING in it to back up the accusations it levels.
Mike.
The letter is just intended to defend Canada. That is by showing us that not everybody there is an ignorant fool with respect to matter about Cuba.
The evidence is in the pictures, the testimonies of millions who have fled or died trying.
However, its not difficult to see that somebody who wishes to stick there head in the sand and ignore fact will continue to do so over and over again.
,
If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass.
Can't think of anything I need
No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound.
Nothing to eat, no books to read.
Can't think of anything I need
No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound.
Nothing to eat, no books to read.
Steel 0
QuoteQuoteI have already addressed that question and don't care to run through it again, Mr. Clueless.
You are obviously knowledgable on the subject, but your extreme bias and tendency to call anybody who shows the other side of the story an idiot makes it very difficult to take you seriously...
What kind of a reaction would you expect from a person who parents escaped from a concentration camp if you started to spout off all the "positive" things you think Hitler did?
This is no different. I know of many who were killed is extremely cruel and unprecidented ways directly or by direct links to the Castro's and Che, and therefore I have no tolerence of some ignorant fool who praises them.
,
If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass.
Can't think of anything I need
No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound.
Nothing to eat, no books to read.
Can't think of anything I need
No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound.
Nothing to eat, no books to read.
Twister?
No matter how agile you are....even us on the left side of the fence....are gonna knock that chip off eventually when it's a HUGE chip resting on that shoulder.
linz
A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail
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