adverse possession

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Anyone who owns real property by the rule of law will at some point be faced with the fact that others can and will try to encroach,establish easements on, or take over - part or all of your "property" if given the means and opportunity. This seems to apply for individual land owners mowing each others grass, nations (i.e. Iraq vs Kuwait, Israel vs. Lebanon, U.S vs. Iraq, the Roman empire) or animals fighting over a kill. Should we strive to live by the rule of law or should we live by the rule of nature where the more aggressive more powerful entity gets the spoils. Discuss


Granted, in the end it is the truly meek microbes that win.

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Ah. Thread #26.
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Ah. Thread #26.
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Concur. We need yet another thread on this about as much as a hole in the Yarmulk!

Mike.

Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable.

Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

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Ah. Thread #26.
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Concur. We need yet another thread on this about as much as a hole in the Yarmulk!

Mike.

Even at the risk of being disregarded????

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Ahh after a weekend of jumping I was hoping for some debate here, funny I did a search on adverse possession and only one thread showed up....Jan 2004,


I'll just blather on about this then, anyway....when I first moved to my current home I noticed that my neighbors (on four sides) were mowing and planted or placed their stuff on my property,clearly over the property line, not a big deal, I was getting pies and all kinds of help and advice from them.
Then I read about adverse possession. A means by which people can legally acquire land by openly and aggressively occupying it over a designated time frame, usually 7 to 15 years depending on where you live.
I did some math and figured I still had time to evict the occupiers without going to court

First I asked nicely using some humor since we were still on pie giving terms.That got some results but not enough.

Then I hired a surveyor and had the lines re established. which showed just how far the encroachment was.

The pie giving stopped, so did the humor.

Finally I had to get the chain saw and the bucket loader out and reclaim my land....I put up a nice split rail fence

It turns out that in this world you have to make some enemies to keep what you have, if that matters to you.

As an existentialist I should not care cuz none of this shit matters but I can at least understand the animosity in the middle east and elsewhere as a result of this experience.

The question remains; how best to handle land disputes?

Beware of the collateralizing and monetization of your desires.
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The question remains; how best to handle land disputes?

My vote is for "with pies."

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The question remains; how best to handle land disputes?

My vote is for "with pies."

Damn I was wrong again, I was thinking feed them alive to a hog feet first.

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Why not invite me round for a quiet word in their ears?

Having a face like this can be endlessly persuasive.

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

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excellent response 9o8, I was beginning to think that I somehow pissed off key persons on this site, but that would be considered a conspiracy theory.

Beware of the collateralizing and monetization of your desires.
D S #3.1415

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It is an interesting situation to say the least.

Ideally you could have a trusting relationship with your neighbours, where they don't take the piss, where you might also all come together and agree contractually exactly whose land is whose, say for instance one moved away to be replaced by a chopper.

Then you could carry on as before - all mates and pies.

Rather than feel it necessary to isolate yourself.

Perhaps now pies have gone out the window, stand by for further disputes?

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

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'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

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Good old saying and as always painfully true.

I think it is the same way here, people have forgotten we are at war,and our lives depend on winning, guess who has to do the fighting even though politicians want to tie our hands behind our backs?

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I think it is the same way here, people have forgotten we are at war,and our lives depend on winning

Our war in Iraq is our doing. The only reasons our lives may depend on it now is because we have pissed off so many people chasing a chimera, and trying to force it on a people who didn't really want it forced on them.

You can't go punch the guy on the next street, and then get pissed when he punches you back. Even if he's an asshole.

Hussein was an asshole. Iraq was not well-run. Our "justification" of WMD appears to be mostly only true by our changing definitions. Our "justification" of liberating the Iraqi people seems to be going down the toilet with the sectarian violence that's going on now. Our "justification" of "Saddam is an asshole" is countered by our willingness to tolerate other assholes. Our "justification" that Iraq was sponsoring Al-Qaeda appears to be pretty inconsequential; they were no more sponsors than other countries.

So what are we left with? "We have to finish what we started." I liken it more to "you broke it, you bought it."

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

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Good old saying and as always painfully true.

I think it is the same way here, people have forgotten we are at war,and our lives depend on winning, guess who has to do the fighting even though politicians want to tie our hands behind our backs?

Cheers mate - wonder about the politicians though. An entire post in itself.

How about this:

'When first under fire and you're wishful to duck, don't look nor take heed at the man that is struck, be thankful you're living and trust to your luck, and march to your front like a soldier.'

Or:

'When lying out injured on the Afghani plains, and the women come down to pick the remains, best roll on your side, and blow out your brains, and go to your God like a soldier.'

I won't insult you by saying the poet but in case anyone wondered, it's Kipling. Recommended reading.

Going back to politicians and soldiers, some things never change do they? Thinking of my next post now.....

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

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dude I can't get past that face, It makes me want to say "'oows yer mum, 'aas she been diddlin' the vicker again aye?"

Anyway,my view is that if these conflicts are going to someday dissipate, it will have to start with the hearts and minds of the individual.
I have been watching the news for over 30 years and I can't remember a time when there was so much turmoil. Vietnam comes to mind but it is similar only by a small overlap of political fundamentals. However the prerequisite for war seems the same and it is usually based on a defense from some form of adverse possession. In the case of the middle east however there is a strong undertow of deeply rooted religious differences over many generations, a clash of ideological superpowers if you will.
A very difficult situation to resolve diplomatically. What do each of these combatants want short of the extermination of the other. What can we give them to ease their aggression?

In the case of the neighborhood a clearly defined boundary fortified with a fence seems to work best. I think humans need this kind of barrier to feel a pride of place;You stay on your side and vice versa, it's simple and it works.

In nature there is a fence of sorts defined usually by some sort of scent marking. Animals don't seem to have any sense of respect for each other, they take what they can get away with, BUT they do understand the consequences of a crossed boundary.

Such ideologically different cultures and clans as we find in the middle east are not ready to live together on the same land. Not yet, they need their own countries in order to feel secure and a clearly defined border. Then perhaps through trade they can come to an understanding.

Beware of the collateralizing and monetization of your desires.
D S #3.1415

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Glad you like it. Few more years saving and some plastic surgeon will be my new best mate.

Regarding hearts and minds, I've mentioned this a few times over in past threads. It's probably the reason I started writing stuff on SC. I know hearts and minds to be utterly essential.

History will back this up.

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'