masterrig 1 #76 August 5, 2006 QuoteQuoteTook you long enough! Hey! These are the jokes, folks! Yuck it up! Chuck Sad how you can't own up to being wrong, then having to delete 3 posts to cover it up.... too bad I quoted you on reply _________________________________ I have no problem admitting when I'm wrong... ask anyone here. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #77 August 5, 2006 QuoteI have no problem admitting when I'm wrong... ask anyone here. So you have no problem with your "just do what the nice officer says" comment? I sure do . . . . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #78 August 5, 2006 QuoteQuoteIn the State of Texas, to draw blood from a person arrested for DWI and that person has refused the breathalizer test, a search warrant must be obtained prior to any blood sample(s) being taken. Chuck Jesus Christ, I only wrote that 2 pages ago, thanks for reading for comprehension. It's a procedural telephonic warrant; takes minutes. _________________________________ I specified 'TEXAS' that was all I was pointing out. Your respnse was a generality. Good luck getting a warrant 'in minutes'. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #79 August 5, 2006 QuoteQuoteI have no problem admitting when I'm wrong... ask anyone here. So you have no problem with your "just do what the nice officer says" comment? I sure do . . . _______________________________ I was being sarcastic. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #80 August 5, 2006 Quote"typical" was your word, not mine. Sigh. You implied it was typical. I'm not going to bold the obvious parts again: QuoteYou lose your ass. They will 4 or 5 fine officers and slam your ass to the ground and forcibly pull your blood from you. Of course they wake the judge to get their telephonic warrant to searcha nd seize your body for evidence. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #81 August 5, 2006 QuoteNow, Lawrocket, tell the nice people what the cops do if you refuse to submit to a BAC blood or breath test. I recently had a friend who totalled her car on the way home from a vacation. I happened to be 10 minutes behind her on the road at the time. She refused the breath test. She was arrested and charged with DUI, refusing to submit to the breath test, and reckless driving. I bailed her out of the Franklin County Jail at 1am and drove her home. She went to court and I was called as a witness. She was found NOT guilty of the DUI and reckless driving, but guilty of the refusal to submit. So she lost her license for 6 months....but no DUI.-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #82 August 5, 2006 >refusing to submit to the breath test . . . . They didn't hold her down and stick a needle in her arm? How odd. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #83 August 5, 2006 Quote>refusing to submit to the breath test . . . . They didn't hold her down and stick a needle in her arm? How odd.All depends on where you are in this great land of ours. Be everywhere soon enoughI hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #84 August 5, 2006 QuoteQuote>refusing to submit to the breath test . . . . They didn't hold her down and stick a needle in her arm? How odd.All depends on where you are in this great land of ours. Be everywhere soon enough edit: Sorry, forgot the sarcasm tags.... [sarcasm] How quickly they forget....ok then but not now? "We can't be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans . . . ." --William J. Clinton, USA Today, March 11, 1993 "And so a lot of people say there's too much freedom. When personal freedom's being abused, you have to move to limit it." -- Bill Clinton, 3-22-94, MTV's "Enough is Enough" [/sarcasm]Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #85 August 5, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuote>refusing to submit to the breath test . . . . They didn't hold her down and stick a needle in her arm? How odd.All depends on where you are in this great land of ours. Be everywhere soon enough edit: Sorry, forgot the sarcasm tags.... [sarcasm] How quickly they forget....ok then but not now? "We can't be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans . . . ." --William J. Clinton, USA Today, March 11, 1993 "And so a lot of people say there's too much freedom. When personal freedom's being abused, you have to move to limit it." -- Bill Clinton, 3-22-94, MTV's "Enough is Enough" [/sarcasm] Hey. I hate ALL authority. Fuck Clinton AND Bush. I think they both abused their power as do most people w/ money and power. Morals go out the fuckin windowI hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #86 August 5, 2006 QuoteIt's a procedural telephonic warrant; takes minutes. Riiiiiiight. Ok, If you believe that then I have fresh bottled drinking water from the Brazos River for sale too.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #87 August 5, 2006 Quote>refusing to submit to the breath test . . . . They didn't hold her down and stick a needle in her arm? How odd. It must've been an anomoly. Not only did they not hold her down to take her blood against her wishes, they actually treated her with respect....like an actual human being! They even called the bail bondsman for us, given that we were obviously rookies at this jail experience....-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #88 August 7, 2006 Quote>refusing to submit to the breath test . . . . They didn't hold her down and stick a needle in her arm? How odd. I believe the SOP (for anyone in an authority position since all cops are bad - by definition) is "slam her ass down on the ground". not "hold her down". edit: I have a friend that will walk home if he's too far gone to drive. He's been stopped a few times. Some cops, even after hearing that he's walking to avoid driving drunk - will still automatically charge him with public drunkenness. Others, will say 'good choice' and give him a ride home. This "all authority" are evil stance just gets old. YKWIM? Cops, FAA reps, even some politicians (that hurts to admit), doctors (and pharmaceutical salesmen), engine mechanics, etc are people doing a job. Some are assholes, some are trying to do the right thing. You don't know until you see them first hand, in person, and decide what kind of individual they are. Frankly, I blame Bush for it. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #89 August 7, 2006 QuoteQuoteIt's a procedural telephonic warrant; takes minutes. Riiiiiiight. Ok, If you believe that then I have fresh bottled drinking water from the Brazos River for sale too. I don't know how many times I have heard cops say, well if you don't let us search your car we will hold you here and wait for a warrant. The best response is to say that is a great idea, so that nobody will go to prison. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #90 August 7, 2006 QuoteQuote>refusing to submit to the breath test . . . . They didn't hold her down and stick a needle in her arm? How odd. I believe the SOP (for anyone in an authority position since all cops are bad - by definition) is "slam her ass down on the ground". not "hold her down". edit: I have a friend that will walk home if he's too far gone to drive. He's been stopped a few times. Some cops, even after hearing that he's walking to avoid driving drunk - will still automatically charge him with public drunkenness. Others, will say 'good choice' and give him a ride home. This "all authority" are evil stance just gets old. YKWIM? Cops, FAA reps, even some politicians (that hurts to admit), doctors (and pharmaceutical salesmen), engine mechanics, etc are people doing a job. Some are assholes, some are trying to do the right thing. You don't know until you see them first hand, in person, and decide what kind of individual they are. Frankly, I blame Bush for it. __________________________________ I think, you make a very good point, here. To 'generalize' people or situations is a problem, many times. Each situation is different as well as those involved. Then, factoring in moods, attitudes and the like throw generalizations out the window. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fireemt97 0 #91 August 8, 2006 I can not believe you guys are still debating this. Being that I have arrested many people for DUI in the state of California maybe I can clarify a few things about a refusal to submit to a chemical test. In CA. if you refuse to submit to a chemical test which is a breath or blood test, you automatically loose your license for a year. Depending on the county in which you are arrested a few additional things can apply. Some counties will allow for a forced blood draw without the persons consent. There is not warrant needed and you do not need to call a judge. It is standard operating procedure. In the county I worked there was a specially designed chair to strap the person into, they were not held down on the floor by a bunch of cops. Some counties will only allow the forced blood draw if you were involved in a collision that injured another person. The other injured person can be a passenger in your car, it does not have to be from another vehicle. Other counties will not allow a forced blood test at all. Many people have tried to fight this in court and have lost. Hopefully I clarified a few things for you. I have not payed much attention to the Mel Gibson charges. I have only heard things in passing but he did not say anything that hundreds of people have said to me when they have been arrested. When people talk like that it only damages their case, especially if the stop is being recorded. It is just better to act like a civilized person. In general most cops do not dislike the person they are arresting for DUI and will treat them with respect as long as they are treated the same. I would be lying to say they every cop was that way, but like ever other type of job you have the people that give you a bad name. Sorry for the little soap box speach.SUCK IT UP BUTTERCUP Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #92 August 8, 2006 Quoteespecially if the stop is being recorded 9 times out of 10 they are now days with video and audio.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,589 #93 August 8, 2006 QuoteCops, FAA reps, even some politicians (that hurts to admit), doctors (and pharmaceutical salesmen), engine mechanics, etc are people doing a job. Some are assholes, some are trying to do the right thing. You don't know until you see them first hand, in person, and decide what kind of individual they are.I'm glad I checked into this thread. Good post. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #94 August 8, 2006 QuoteQuoteCops, FAA reps, even some politicians (that hurts to admit), doctors (and pharmaceutical salesmen), engine mechanics, etc are people doing a job. Some are assholes, some are trying to do the right thing. You don't know until you see them first hand, in person, and decide what kind of individual they are.I'm glad I checked into this thread. Good post. Odds are, if you are a habitual law breaker, you will also have a bad attitude towards the law. So decent cops seen a disproportionate amount of crap. I'm surprised at our local cops and how decent they are since they likely get a lot of flack from assholes and kids. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #95 August 8, 2006 QuoteThey will 4 or 5 fine officers and slam your ass to the ground and forcibly pull your blood from you. Some cops draw blood as I read as I was researching this topic. Huh? This is barely readable. Apologies if English is your 2nd or 3rd language, but I'm not sure of what is being said." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #96 August 8, 2006 Quote . . .some folks function well after .25, not that they should be driving. My stepdad was one. Define "function well". Since the thread is about DUI, I'm assuming you think they could drive. No way. Maybe they could put on some semblance of order in low demand situations - i.e. - I'll give you they might be able to stand up. But no way could anyone with a .25 drive safely; which would be my definition for "function well" when it comes to getting behind the wheel of a car." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,151 #97 August 8, 2006 www.leaonline.com/doi/abs/10.1207/S15327108IJAP1303_06 Related to flying, not driving. Shows that impairment lasts A LONG TIME after alcohol intake. Also www.health20-20.org/how_high.htm... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #98 August 8, 2006 QuoteQuote>refusing to submit to the breath test . . . . They didn't hold her down and stick a needle in her arm? How odd. I believe the SOP (for anyone in an authority position since all cops are bad - by definition) is "slam her ass down on the ground". not "hold her down". edit: I have a friend that will walk home if he's too far gone to drive. He's been stopped a few times. Some cops, even after hearing that he's walking to avoid driving drunk - will still automatically charge him with public drunkenness. Others, will say 'good choice' and give him a ride home. This "all authority" are evil stance just gets old. YKWIM? Cops, FAA reps, even some politicians (that hurts to admit), doctors (and pharmaceutical salesmen), engine mechanics, etc are people doing a job. Some are assholes, some are trying to do the right thing. You don't know until you see them first hand, in person, and decide what kind of individual they are. Frankly, I blame Bush for it. That's OK; he probably blames you." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #99 August 8, 2006 QuoteQuote Frankly, I blame Bush for it. That's OK; he probably blames you. Bush or Lucky or are they the same person>>>>>?????? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #100 August 8, 2006 QuoteRelated to flying, not driving. Shows that impairment lasts A LONG TIME after alcohol intake. 12 hours, "bottle to throttle". . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
